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Bible Study When Did Replacement Theology Sweep Through The Church?

reba said:
YUP it was close but God was/is in control no worries..
The Church does not replace the Temple any more then Tuesday replaces Monday it is simply a continuation ...
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New Jerusalem kinda makes the old Jerusalem (you fill in the word / words)

He has been with you he will be in you. We are that temple.

I understand some want to overdo change and it is necessary too address that.
But
There was word put in hearts and minds.
There was a day of Pentecost for the Jews.
There was a Gentile inclusion with similar signs.

Romans 7:25 should moderate exaggeration.

One new man exists.

eddif
 
My aim was not to really get into a discussion of Replacement Theology, despite my thread title, but to explore why Matthew 11:11/12 are so widely misinterpreted/mistranslated. As I was trying to articulate my position on those 2 verses, I was thinking to myself that Replacement Theology was probably the most likely cause of today's universal acceptance of the current understanding of those 2 verses of which I disagree.
I believe the Kingdom in both of those verses is referring to the Temple administered Kingdom and that would explain why the Lord suffered violence in the Kingdom( He meant the Kingdom was administered by the violent Temple hierarchy) and in verse 11 He meant John the Baptist was least in the Temple administered Kingdom and not in the Christ administered Kingdom as almost all try to make it sound. Jesus only said this because He had not yet been crucified and the Kingdom was still Temple administered. John the Baptist was excluded from the Temple as he was an outcast.
 
Matthew 11:11-12 KJV
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

eddif
 
John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

eddif
 
Romans 14:17 KJV
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

eddif
 
Matthew 16:24 KJV
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

eddif
 
Acts 18:24 KJV
And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

There are things beyond John (both as a man and his doctrine).
Although
John taught believe in the one who comes after me.
Then
Jesus sent the disciples to Jerusalem to receive power to witness.

At this point I must slow down. Reba accepts where people are. I tend to push toward an end that scares some.

Domination is is not the power they received, and is not the way I choose to present doctrine. I don't make a good servant at times, but I can see my faults / sin.

eddif
 
daninthelionsden said:
My aim was not to really get into a discussion of Replacement Theology, despite my thread title, but to explore why Matthew 11:11/12 are so widely misinterpreted/mistranslated. As I was trying to articulate my position on those 2 verses, I was thinking to myself that Replacement Theology was probably the most likely cause of today's universal acceptance of the current understanding of those 2 verses of which I disagree.
I believe the Kingdom in both of those verses is referring to the Temple administered Kingdom and that would explain why the Lord suffered violence in the Kingdom( He meant the Kingdom was administered by the violent Temple hierarchy) and in verse 11 He meant John the Baptist was least in the Temple administered Kingdom and not in the Christ administered Kingdom as almost all try to make it sound. Jesus only said this because He had not yet been crucified and the Kingdom was still Temple administered. John the Baptist was excluded from the Temple as he was an outcast.
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Understanding "Kingdom/kingdom" would be imperative.

We know that Jesus did not consider this world His Kingdom or however one cares to see this fact:

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

And, we know likewise, that at some point in time, this will change:

Revelation 11:
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

We also know, again from Jesus, that Satan has a kingdom:

Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

We also know that Satan, the devil, had the power to show Jesus "all the kingdoms" of this world:

Matthew 4:
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

So, taking the above understanding in hand, what might we see when we read this?

Luke 21:10
Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

IF we get this basic sight down, THEN we can see the status of John, a prophet who was in the adverse kingdom, speaking against same. And, as such, being in this world does automatically make any of us LESS than the "least" in the Kingdom of God in Christ.

Fairly easy picture and concept, once the basics are grappled with.
 
reba said:
YUP it was close but God was/is in control no worries..
The Church does not replace the Temple any more then Tuesday replaces Monday it is simply a continuation ...
Click to expand...
Reba, Study Revelation chapter 21 and tell me how you understand it according to Jerusalem and the temple of God? Esp. vs. 21-23.
 
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Douglas Summers .. Bare with me , please ask me to explain farther if needed keeping in mind i am not skilled with words.. :) The use of color is only to make reading/seeing easier...

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Above are some of the scriptures that make me believe the way i do... I do not believe in the 4 pointed star falling out of the sky..as a square block .... To me the Scriptures are clear ..we are the temple .. we are Sion/Zioin... His Light in us is the light of the world Mat_5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
 
I will put my word in their hearts and minds.
The brain has the most neural pathways / messengers (symbolic of angels carrying messages). Word of knowledge / wisdom.

We being living stones (hard heart transformed into flesh). Are built into a church. We differ in gifts just as the body has different organs.

eddif
 
reba said:
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Douglas Summers .. Bare with me , please ask me to explain farther if needed keeping in mind i am not skilled with words.. :) The use of color is only to make reading/seeing easier...

Rev_21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Above are some of the scriptures that make me believe the way i do... I do not believe in the 4 pointed star falling out of the sky..as a square block .... To me the Scriptures are clear ..we are the temple .. we are Sion/Zioin... His Light in us is the light of the world Mat_5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
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Agreed :o)
 
The gates pearls.

Genesis 49 makes crystal clear the life styles of Israel's sons. If their lives are on the gates, whosoever will may enter cleansed and walk the golden ways of salvation.
Repent
Believe in Jesus Christs work
Receive power to tell others

eddif
 
reba said:
The Church does not replace the Temple any more then Tuesday replaces Monday it is simply a continuation ...
Click to expand...
Paul seems to have disagreed.

1Co 3:117 (NKJV) Do you not know that you (plual) are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

and

1Co 6:19 (NKJV) Or do you not know that your body (singular) is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

and

Eph 2:19-22 (NKJV) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

The temple was the place where sacrifices were made for the forgiveness of the sins of the people. That is no longer necessary. The "lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29 NKJV) has been sacrificed. (Heb 9:28)

Heb 10:11-18 (NKJV) And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

And if there is no offering for sin then there is no need for a temple at which one offers sacrifices for sin.

So scripture tells us that the temple at which sacrifices for sin were offered is no longer necessary and has been replaced by the temple of the Holy Spirit which is the Church. And the Church is the manifest presence of the Kingdom of God and the body of Jesus Christ (Col 1:18) on the earth (Mat 18:20) until Christ brings the Kingdom in all its fullness at His coming.


iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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