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When does the Antichrist power show itself?

1 john 2:18 does not say that there is one man who is " the antichrist" coming. It says that we have heard that antichrist shall come. In all the scriptures we are given with the name antichrist in them it is never shown to be one individual man.

1Jo 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Lexicon / Concordance for 1 John 2:18


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time: g5610 ??? h?ra
and g2532 ??? kai
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ye have heard g191 ????? akou?
that g3754 ??? hoti
antichrist g500 ??????????? antichristos
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even g2532 ??? kai
now g3568 ??? nyn
are there g1096 ??????? ginomai
many g4183 ????? polys
antichrists; g500 ??????????? antichristos
whereby g3606 ???? hothen
we know g1097 ??????? gin?sk?
that g3754 ??? hoti
it is g2076 ???? esti
the last g2078 ??????? eschatos
time. g5610 ??? h?ra


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1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1Jo 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.


1Jo 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.


1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Notice " he is antichrist" singular, but this is true for every individual who does this, not for one future man.

1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


1Jo 2:24 ¶ Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

See here is the meaning. EVERY SPIRIT that confesses not that Jesus is come in flesh is not of God and THIS is THAT SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard THAT IT SHOULD COME-"it is that spirit of antichrist" not one individual man as has been taught. it is a SPIRIT that is coming not a man. That spirit is in the world and in those who do not confess Jeuss as coming in their flesh. this spirit even now already is in the world.


1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

"he that is in the world" is the spirit of antichrist as shown above.


1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.


1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

the spirit of antichrist is the sopirit of error that is in the world.- antichrist is never shown to be an individual MAN but a SPIRIT IN MEN that is the spirit of error the spirit that is in the world.
 
that verse first started with is the false teachers not the antichrist. hard to sit in the temple in jerusalem and as a group and call yourselves a god.one the word is single.
 
jasoncran said:
that verse first started with is the false teachers not the antichrist. hard to sit in the temple in jerusalem and as a group and call yourselves a god.one the word is single.
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False prophets and false teachers are antichrist that is what john says.
1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

It is not hard for them to sit in the temple as a group and call yourself a God if you believe the word of God about what the temple is and what jerusalem is. We must let the bible give us our interpretations. It not only gives us the interpretations it gives us the examples.

1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

WE are the temple of God and WE have come to heavenly jerusalem. These people will FALL AWAY from us because they sat amoung us- the temple of God and worshipped themselves and made themselves god becuase of their lusts. Because of this God will send them a strong delusion to have them believe the lie so they will depart from us and be revealed who they were.Just like judas. just like the rebellion in the wilderness.
 
answer that from the revalation? not just the book of john

first off , pentacostals, :shame every thing is the devil fault , when its men that sin not the devil always.

fact why would jesus refer to the abonation of desolation spoken in daniel, (he was speaking the jews not us gentiles at that time, and must look it at that way)

in the last days jersusalem has a role, not the church. odd when you look at the 144,000 jews that have the tribes assigned.

no hebrew of today knows his tribe. impossible.

isreal rises, the hebrew race is nearly wiped out in the 1940's , yet recovers. hmm sounds like divine protection to me.

third where's the holy spirit since we are supposed to have authority of the devil. he is killing us despite this power we should have. odd since we are victorious. he is also performing miracles.


back to the abomonation of desolation
mat 24:15

note it says stand in the holy place, if its plural then why is this noun singualar?
 
here ya go,

2 thessalionians 2:3

Let no man decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come, except here be a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revalead, the SON of perdition.

singular there too.

there are small antichrists, little guys, then theres the big Antichrist
just as there many devils , but only ONE Satan.
 
jasoncran said:
answer that from the revalation? not just the book of john

first off , pentacostals, :shame every thing is the devil fault , when its men that sin not the devil always.

fact why would jesus refer to the abonation of desolation spoken in daniel, (he was speaking the jews not us gentiles at that time, and must look it at that way)

in the last days jersusalem has a role, not the church. odd when you look at the 144,000 jews that have the tribes assigned.

no hebrew of today knows his tribe. impossible.

isreal rises, the hebrew race is nearly wiped out in the 1940's , yet recovers. hmm sounds like divine protection to me.

third where's the holy spirit since we are supposed to have authority of the devil. he is killing us despite this power we should have. odd since we are victorious. he is also performing miracles.


back to the abomonation of desolation
mat 24:15

note it says stand in the holy place, if its plural then why is this noun singualar?
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answer that from the revalation? not just the book of john

REV 9, REV 13, Rev 11:7

"first off , pentacostals, :shame every thing is the devil fault , when its men that sin not the devil always"

I am not pentecostal. And I did not say " everything is the devil's fault". I clearly explained that the beast and the antichrist are spirits, from hell, that will enter into all the people who were seperated from their sins through Christ but who returned to their sins because of their own lusts. That these MEN fall away and they become filled with the spirit of the destroyer from the pit who is the beast according to Rev.

"fact why would jesus refer to the abonation of desolation spoken in daniel, (he was speaking the jews not us gentiles at that time, and must look it at that way)"

Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel because daniel prophesied of it. And Jesus was not speaking to jews, he was speaking to DISCIPLES.Paul spoke of it also to DISCIPLES. He was not generally speaking to just any or all jews. He was speaking to His diciples. And the word of God itself clarifies that. It does not say " themn he said to the jews. It says Then His diciples.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Mat 24:15 ¶ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

"in the last days jersusalem has a role, not the church. odd when you look at the 144,000 jews that have the tribes assigned"

That is just scripturally untrue. the church was warned of all the same events as the OT prophets spoke of. And not only that we were told that we should look for them, we were given the signs and order and purpose of events. To say that the church is not involved when we are so clearly instructed that we are is just tradition.As far as the 144,000 there are two groups of them found in Revelation. ONE group of them is of the tribes. The other is not.
Rev 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:


Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Firstly the saints in the church are seen on mt zion in heb 12:22-23. Secondly these are redeemed from the earth from AMOUNG MEN. NOT from the tribes.AND they have their fathers name written in their foreheads which was a promise given to one of the CHURCHES in the beginning of REV.Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

"third where's the holy spirit since we are supposed to have authority of the devil. he is killing us despite this power we should have. odd since we are victorious. he is also performing miracles."

The Holy SPirit is IN the believers and working in the earth. That is one reason why the witnesses cannot be harmed until their testimony was finished and only THEN could they be killed. This is no differnt than it has ever been. The Lord protects His people until thier testimony is finished and then they are able to be persecuted to death for his name. Gods people are shown in this period of time in both OT and NT prophety to be preaching the gospel to the world doing mighty works and miracles etc... Just as well as the enemy is doing false ones and preaching a false message.

"note it says stand in the holy place, if its plural then why is this noun singualar?"

We are also the BODY(singular) of Christ, and WE are the TEMPLE(singular) OF GOD.
1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Notice that you are THE TEMPLE OF GOD- not A temple. We beleivers are not each individual temples so that God has millions of temples. We are knit together each os us as living stones that all build up ONE HOLY TEMPLE SINGULAR.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Thtere is NO Holy Place but us. There is no sanctuary but of us because only IN US does the Spirit of God dwell for a house. He will never dwell in houses made with hands again. and it is US who offer us sacrifice daily to God. and it is US who the enemy will be looking to stop our daily sacrifice to God.
 
GodspromisesRyes, what Jasoncrans is telling you about the tense in 1 John 2:18 is correct. We cannot just go changing the tense from how it's written there...

I Jn 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
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The first mention of 'antichristos' there is singular, meaning one. But the second mention of 'antichristos' is plural, because it has the modifer of "many" (polus) before it, making it plural. The latter phrase which is plural cannot modify the first clause which is singular tense.

The actual Greek word 'antichristos' is made up of two words, 'anti' and 'Christos'. Anti can also mean 'instead of' or 'in place of'. And 'Christos' in the Greek always means Christ, singular. If you'll look up "Christ" in a Greek lexicon, you'll discover every time the NT mentions the word Christ, it is always Greek 'Christos' in the manuscripts. The only exceptions are some places in the NT where the word "Christ" was added by the KJV translators, or changed to read "Christ" from Greek Iesous, kurios or theos in the manuscripts. So if you're counting on the 's' ending on Greek Christos to think it's plural, that is not so per the Greek.

And all that is besides the great number of Scriptures elsewhere which help define John's mention of the singular "antichrist" he first declares in that verse. The fact John was saying "as ye have heard" means they already understood what he meant that antichrist shall come. And just where did they hear before that antichrist shall come? From our Lord Jesus' Olivet Discourse to His disciples (Matt.24; Mark 13) and no doubt later from His servant Apostle Paul. What John was additionally showing them with the latter part, the "many antichrists" part, was that already there were many of them at work. That revelation cannot do away with first singular clause of "antichrist shall come", which they already knew about.

The "many antichrists" part is about the "mystery of iniquity" Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2, which was first written of in the OT prophets. We're supposed to be aware of that mystery. It's about the parable of the tares of the field our Lord Jesus gave in Matthew 13. Even in 2 Thess.2 Paul said it "doth already work". Sadly, that is still a mystery to many believers on Christ Jesus, but it's not supposed to be, for our Lord Jesus covered, as also did His Apostles.

And it's those who keep claiming that 1 John 2:18 verse has no singular antichrist in it that obviously do not have a clue about the "mystery of iniquity" working Paul himself said "doth already work". I also believe there is a concerted strategy by the devil to get Christians off the idea of the coming of a singular antichrist too.

The antichrist they already had heard that shall come is the "dragon", an entity, per Revelation 12 & 13; the devil even, since the word "dragon" is one of his titles per Rev.12:9; the 'pseudochristos' (mistranslated "false Christs") of Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22; the beast king of Rev.17. The early Church fathers also proclaimed that a singular antichrist was to come. And they were looking for him in their day also, and some thought they had discovered him.
 
vet,

I am not dening that there is ANTICHRIST singular, I am deying that that is an individual MAN. Antichrist is a spirit. right now there are many antichrists. But this is not one individual person. It is the mimic of the truth of the Lord.

In the end there is only TWO men in the earth. CHRIST and ANTICHRIST. We in Christ are filled with HIS SPirit and we are united into ONE BODY. We are THE BODY of CHRIST singular. but we are made of many many people who have Christ living in us. Everytime these things are spoken of their are first spoken of in the singular- " you have heard antichrist" " there shall be a falling away revealing the man of sin the son of perdition" Then immediatly following they are shown to be of many people " many antichrists" "because they did not recieve a love for the truth God will send THEM a strong delusion" " they went out from us".

This is how all prophetic characters are. The harlot is not one woman who is a harlot it is a HARLOT singular made of many many harlots. The beast, is a spirit that fills the whole world of people that are not found in the book of life because that spirit enters into all of those people. In the end there is TWO men in the field, one taken one left. There is TWO WOMEN in the mill one taken one left. That is ANTICHRIST- taken and CHRIST left. the HARLOT taken the BRIDE left. The Lord is going to sift and shake the world making everyone either be cold or hot, on one side or the other. Either marked with God or the beast. Either indwelt with the Holy Ghost or antichrist.

So I am not denying THE antichrist singular. I am denying that it is one indivdual man. Even john shows us there are only two groups one is antichrist the other is Christ.

1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

We have overcome THEM because greater is HE(singular) in US(plural) then HE(singular) in THEM(plural)

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

THEY plural are of the WORLD singular

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

WE plural are of GOD singular WE plural have THE SPIRIT OF GOD singular, they plural have the spirit of error singular.

1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.


1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.


1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.


1Jo 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.


1Jo 4:12 ¶ No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.


1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.


1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.


1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.


1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.


1Jo 4:20 ¶ If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
vet,

I am not dening that there is ANTICHRIST singular, I am deying that that is an individual MAN. Antichrist is a spirit. right now there are many antichrists. But this is not one individual person. It is the mimic of the truth of the Lord.
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Amen :)

There are only two groups on the earth. Those for Christ and those against Christ. So the one is the Body of Christ (pro-Christ) and those who are in the body of antichirst (against-Christ)

Mat 24:40 Then shall two men(Body of Christ/Body of antichrist ) be in the field; (Mat 13:38 and the field is the world )one is taken, and one is left:
Same groups here, but different gender and names:
Mat 24:41 two women (Bride / Harlot ) shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left.
 
Okay first of all anti-Christ does not mean "against Christ." It means "substitute Christ."

And with the Bible telling us repeatedly that the Beast is a specific person who has an actual image of himself created that people must worship, why do we not think it's a real person? The Bible calls him "man", "son", "his" and "himself" as a few descriptive terms. Why can't we just take the scripture at its plain meaning?
 
According to the only four instances in the Bible, it means "one who denies Jesus has come in the flesh". All other definitions are based on man-made definitions.

(1 John 2:18 KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

(1 John 2:22 KJV) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

(1 John 4:3 KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

(2 John 1:7 KJV) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
vet,

I am not dening that there is ANTICHRIST singular, I am deying that that is an individual MAN. Antichrist is a spirit. right now there are many antichrists. But this is not one individual person. It is the mimic of the truth of the Lord.

In the end there is only TWO men in the earth. CHRIST and ANTICHRIST. We in Christ are filled with HIS SPirit and we are united into ONE BODY. We are THE BODY of CHRIST singular. but we are made of many many people who have Christ living in us. Everytime these things are spoken of their are first spoken of in the singular- " you have heard antichrist" " there shall be a falling away revealing the man of sin the son of perdition" Then immediatly following they are shown to be of many people " many antichrists" "because they did not recieve a love for the truth God will send THEM a strong delusion" " they went out from us".
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Again, in 1 John 2:19, John is continuing the subject of the "many antichrists", and not about the singular antichrist he first mentioned they already knew about.

John's definition of antichrist later doesn't modify the original antichrist which is the devil himself, because it was the devil as the first to deny Christ when he coveted God's Throne in the beginning. It's that act by Satan when he first rebelled that is linked to the subject of the "strong delusion" Paul was speaking of. Paul was speaking of a particular entity being revealed in the end when Christ does return.

Likewise, our Lord Jesus was pointing to a singular entity in Matt.24:24 about a false messiah coming to work miralces on the earth that would almost deceive His own elect. The singular antichrist only fits one, the devil himself, and all the servants of the devil as the "many antichrists." It's that simple.

The doctrine of denying a singular antichrist comes from a planted idea that does not have an origin in the early Church. It's purpose is to get believers off the prophecy of a singular false messiah coming to play God in place of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The "chaste virgin" Message Paul gave in 2 Cor.11 also confirms the coming of a singular false messiah in place of Christ, even called "the another Jesus" by Paul. The coming of many that would say they are Christ per our Lord is only a pattern for the false messiah that IS coming to actually work miracles on the earth to make the world THINK he is Christ. Those who believe on that false messiah in place of Christ will have gone into spiritual harlotry, and not be found as spiritual virgins betrothed to Jesus Christ when He does return after all that. That's another reason how we know there's a singular antichrist entity separate from the "many antichrists" idea.
 
What happened to the verse, Jesus is the Christ as is the Anti-Christ?
 
vet i am sorry i do not believe that scriptures agree fully with you ideas on this but may the Lord be with us both and grow us up in truth more and more each day.
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
vet i am sorry i do not believe that scriptures agree fully with you ideas on this but may the Lord be with us both and grow us up in truth more and more each day.
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That's OK brother, it's not about believing what I say, but what God's Word teaches. Christ be with you.
 
Vic C. said:
According to the only four instances in the Bible, it means "one who denies Jesus has come in the flesh". All other definitions are based on man-made definitions.

(1 John 2:18 KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

(1 John 2:22 KJV) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

(1 John 4:3 KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

(2 John 1:7 KJV) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Every teacher of Judaism teaches that the Messiah hasnt come.
 
that the point isn't it, cause once he comes they have nothing to teach!
 
After reading thru this thread, I think the
AntiChrist will be showing off his new power
whenever God decides it will happen and not
because anyone here says it will happen. :twocents
 
I think we should consider ourselves gods entertainment and stop thinking God will intervean.
 
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