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When should a Christian own/not own a Lamborghini?



Jesus told the young man "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

I notice you still have your computer.

Wow. Do you know what the picture is talking about? Rich people going to heaven. Having a computer is not being rich.

For your quote, which is a different out of context off topic post in this thread, first of all, Jesus isn't here asking him to follow him around. If he was then we would have to make that choice. Secondly, no one is going to just give away everything they have without following around Jesus or the apostles. Otherwise, you would just be called a homeless person, or in the 60's, a hippie.
 


Jesus told the young man "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

I notice you still have your computer.

Wow. Do you know what the picture is talking about? Rich people going to heaven. Having a computer is not being rich.

What IS rich?

For your quote, which is a different out of context off topic post in this thread, first of all, Jesus isn't here asking him to follow him around. If he was then we would have to make that choice. Secondly, no one is going to just give away everything they have without following around Jesus or the apostles. Otherwise, you would just be called a homeless person, or in the 60's, a hippie.

I agree, but that's the standard some dredge up everytime they want to condemn someone who has a dollar more than they do, which, of course, makes that person rich but not them.

My comment wasn't an attack on you. It is just meant to point out how easily that saying attibuted to Jesus can be manipulated.
 
What IS rich?

Well, if you want to get technical, even homeless Americans could be considered rich compared to the average person in another country so you have a point there. In the U.S., only 1.6 percent of the homeless could be classed as 'underweight'.

I agree, but that's the standard some dredge up everytime they want to condemn someone who has a dollar more than they do, which, of course, makes that person rich but not them.
My comment wasn't an attack on you. It is just meant to point out how easily that saying attibuted to Jesus can be manipulated.

Well, we can agree that one would seem rich if they owned a Lamborghini.
 
How do you differentiate between preachers taking money from people in the name of God and God truly blessing them

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I don't think we can but God can and does. I think it's up to God to do the judging.
 
When you can own a Lambo:

a. When you have an honest means of income and can afford one.

b. When you are not in visible ministry that accepts donations that it would cause people to think you're skimming the till.


When you can not own a Lambo:

a. Obviously, when you simply can not afford it.

b. When you pay for it with ministry donations including when that ministry has a board of executives that have set your salary (paid for by donations) high enough for you to afford a Lambo.


I personally do not give a dime of my money to a ministry that pays itself enough money to build personal empires that the common man can not achieve. I don't know how you justify taking donations from someone who will never have the means to live richly and paying them to someone so they can. But there is a Day of Judgment coming to settle such matters.

Everyone is entitled to earn a living and do what they want with their own money (Acts 5:4 NASB). But when you start reaching out and away from honest means (i.e. ministry example given above), or you are in a position that makes legitimate indulgence a stumbling block to the message and ministry of Christ, you can not indulge the luxury of a Lambo.
 
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What IS rich?

Well, if you want to get technical, even homeless Americans could be considered rich compared to the average person in another country so you have a point there. In the U.S., only 1.6 percent of the homeless could be classed as 'underweight'.

I agree, but that's the standard some dredge up everytime they want to condemn someone who has a dollar more than they do, which, of course, makes that person rich but not them.
My comment wasn't an attack on you. It is just meant to point out how easily that saying attibuted to Jesus can be manipulated.

Well, we can agree that one would seem rich if they owned a Lamborghini.

To me the 'what constitutes rich' argument is unnecessary. Wealth is always relative to the economy you personally live in. If you remember that guideline it's easy to know what constitutes wealth and what does not. I used the Lambroghini for two reasons: 1) it's not up for debate as to whether it constitutes wealth in our western societies, and 2) Mikey brought it up in another thread :).
 
That would depend on your point of view. The likes of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet may not even give it a second thought.

I don't judge any of the Well to do Brothers. I Asked my father to not hold a thing against allenwynne for just being unlearned. Nobody says a thing as Satan has his PlayBoy Jets zoom across the sky to continue to sow into the minds of men (Women also) a lifestyle of sex and devalue women once they loose their beauty and youth. Hue was the first to help break the ice for Homosexuals.

Hue: 1955
"If it was wrong to persecute heterosexuals in a homosexual society then the reverse was wrong, too."[14]

The wealth, the power the message at a time when the country was on the edge of doing the right thing concerning the mess man had made out of God's covenant of marriage between a man and a Women. A strong Wealthy voice of Satan speaks out to defend yet another sin.

This is what money can do in the hands of the unjust. Yet it's OK as long as Satan is in control of all the wealth. We sit idle preaching our message of poverty and the World figures God is Broke and the well has run dry.

The thing is, Brother Copeland has never pulled on anyone for money. Never told anyone to give and they will be blessed. That would be for TBN and some of those people. He just teaching tithing and God multiplying your seed sown. You don't have to give a dime and not asked for a dime. The video did not show that and Copeland never said give money to get healed.

It was Brother Copeland I found out about in Prison and he sent me any tape or book I requested free. I had a locker full of Brother Copeland and Brother Hagin Material. I studied day and night about God, about faith and went over those books diligently.

It was in 2001 My wife took my son to the Doctor and I got the news. Everything I learned was to be put on the line. I could hear Brother Copeland's voice "Never give up on God, never let Go of God's Word, If God said it, He will perform it."

Thank you Brother Copeland My Son should have been dead, but you taught me that God is faithful and I never moved once, never cried in desperation but stood firm on the Word of God.

This last Oklahoma Tornado the teams there needed some heavy equipment to help people with getting their houses back. We could not send our disaster team but we did respond and bought what they needed. It was over 100,000 for two fork lift type things to help load materials. They sent us pictures of it in action helping the people.

Copeland sent trunks and over 2 million to help when the East Cost got pounded.

Us being broke helps nobody.

Mike.
 
little old ladies sent those trucks and $$$ and Copland get your glory

I'll pretend you did not write that. Brother Copeland sent over 2 million dollars and those workers had a hot-line to his office to ask for anything they needed. We can't always be there but we can help support those facing tragedy.

When a Tornado rolled Joplin we were there with many buses and workers with supply's. It's not cheap.

Mike.
 
Us being broke helps nobody.

Mike.

Right. That's what jobs are for (Ephesians 4:28 NASB). But the likes of Ken Copeland and others don't know that. Instead they build their personal wealth with other people's donations passing off what they do as a 'job' and a service to God and his people that demands it be paid back with the lifestyle of a king. Give me a break.

I'm not terribly worried about it because really that gospel attracts the greedy, who give to him in the hope of getting rich themselves without effort (i.e. having it given to them). Perhaps the whole prosperity gospel (the abused one, not the real one) is God's answer to those who have approached God with the false idol of greed and lust in their hearts and God is responding just as he said he would to someone who does that (Ezekiel 14:4 NIV). Those of us who don't have the idol of greed in our hearts aren't taken in by the Ken Copelands and Benny Hinns of the world. The purity of their hearts gives them discernment.

Mike, don't take offense. Your testimony of God's healing is wonderful and exactly in line with the gospel. And I surely don't know what's in your heart about whatever wealth it is you want to acquire. What I'm resisting is this 'money for nothing' (hit it Mark Knopfler!) doctrine in the church today.
 
little old ladies sent those trucks and $$$ and Copland get your glory

It's interesting how prosperity gospel teachers will use the widow's last two bits to justify accepting gifts from the poor and how God is so pleased with them for doing that (which he is), but who never quite get down to their last two bits themselves.
 
Healing is a huge part of this prosperity thing that is sweeping the world.

If one does not get healed they may say to themselves,

Why am I not healed?
Did I not give enough money?
Did I not pray enough?
Am I not right with God?
What did I do wrong?

What you get is a defeated Christian.
And there are plenty of them that fall victim to this Word of Faith movement.
 
Healing is a huge part of this prosperity thing that is sweeping the world.

If one does not get healed they may say to themselves,

Why am I not healed?
Did I not give enough money?
Did I not pray enough?
Am I not right with God?
What did I do wrong?

What you get is a defeated Christian.
And there are plenty of them that fall victim to this Word of Faith movement.

Like any truth of God, healing can be taught in a distorted, spiritless manner. That doesn't mean healing is not part of the believers treasures seized from the strong man once he is bound up.
 
By American standards, I am still in the low class. At one time several years back we would have been considered below the poverty level. Yet we had much more, including creature comforts, than many in third world countries. Most Americans, even the poor ones, are filthy rich in comparison to much of the world.

The time to definitely let go of material possessions? When they hinder your journey.
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@questdriven :

Being truly classy should be seen as involving inward and spiritual attitudes and cultivation.

IMO.

(It's not appreciated sometimes how much the effects of divorce on families do have an impact on material levels.)

Blessings.
 
By American standards, I am still in the low class. At one time several years back we would have been considered below the poverty level. Yet we had much more, including creature comforts, than many in third world countries. Most Americans, even the poor ones, are filthy rich in comparison to much of the world.

The time to definitely let go of material possessions? When they hinder your journey.
.
@questdriven :

Being truly classy should be seen as involving inward and spiritual attitudes and cultivation.

IMO.

(It's not appreciated sometimes how much the effects of divorce on families do have an impact on material levels.)

Blessings.
Especially when one party makes every excuse in the book to avoid paying child support.
 
By American standards, I am still in the low class. At one time several years back we would have been considered below the poverty level. Yet we had much more, including creature comforts, than many in third world countries. Most Americans, even the poor ones, are filthy rich in comparison to much of the world.

The time to definitely let go of material possessions? When they hinder your journey.
.
@questdriven :

Being truly classy should be seen as involving inward and spiritual attitudes and cultivation.

IMO.

(It's not appreciated sometimes how much the effects of divorce on families do have an impact on material levels.)

Blessings.
Especially when one party makes every excuse in the book to avoid paying child support.
[MENTION=89910]questdriven[/MENTION]:

There probably lies a poignant story...

Blessings.
 
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