[_ Old Earth _] where did god come from

[Quath]

Beetles are survivors,and of course I believe the bible.
I don't know how many beetles were on the ark,but I really don't
need to know.

Well, you need to know because if 350,000 species were on board, where did they fit? If a few species were on board, then you are saying that the rest of the species evolved.

Quath

 

[Guest]

Beetles are survivors,and of course I believe the bible.
I don't know how many beetles were on the ark,but I really don't
need to know.

Well, you need to know because if 350,000 species were on board, where did they fit? If a few species were on board, then you are saying that the rest of the species evolved.

Quath

Thats such a silly question,but how do millions of Cock roaches manage to live in one wall like they do?
I have seen the homes of people who have roach problems and those roaches can survive just about anything except "Combat".

 

[Guest]

:D How is it that some people confuse rapid breeders who cross breed
evolving? Beetles make other beetles,who cares how many different colors and types there are,they all come the same family,amen.
To me,thats not evolving. Thats like saying half breed children have
evolved!

 

[Quath]

I can tell you that people have done the measurements and 350,000 species of beetles would fill 3 arks. You can do the math as well or I could walk you through it if you don't believe me.

Cross breeding does not produce new species. Like the horse and donkey make a mule which is infertile. Species basically mean that the animals do not cross breed. So we are talking about a lot of diversity.

Quath

 

[Guest]

I can tell you that people have done the measurements and 350,000 species of beetles would fill 3 arks. You can do the math as well or I could walk you through it if you don't believe me.

Cross breeding does not produce new species. Like the horse and donkey make a mule which is infertile. Species basically mean that the animals do not cross breed. So we are talking about a lot of diversity.

Quath

:Fade-color Bugs survive,and yes,they multiply rapidly. God made all
those species,but if you cannot accept it,your problem is worse than I
thought because this is not a big thing,and it's not even worth questioning
in my opinion. If I have been given evidence that God is real,I cannot
turn away from that. I cannot turn back,even if I wanted to,but I do not
want to ever turn back now that I know My Holy Father exists. If you cannot believe in him,I'm sorry about that,but I know God is real. I may
not be able to show him to you,but he has been shown to me through his
Son Jesus Christ,through Angels,and a few other ways.
Thats why these bug debates ect....,carry no weight with me. It's such
a tiny issue,and it's not going to change my opinion. Not because I'm
being stubborn,it's because I know God is alive,and that his word is the
truth as miraculous as that is after all the hands the words of the bible had
to pass through,yet it's fact in my life. The Holy spirit testifies the bible is
the truth. I believe what God has shown me,and I wouldn't trade my salvation for anything,at least I pray I wouldn't ever betray my Holy God,
because he lives,and I am saved. It would be betrayal if I turned away
from him after he let me know he 's real. I pray that if it came down to my
life and betraying My Holy Father that I'd give up my life instead of be afraid because he is everything in my whole entire life. If I let him go,
nothing else matters much,not even family. We can all just kiss each other
good bye forever if there is no God. Life could not matter without him,but
God is alive! I wish I could show him to you,I really,truly wish I could,
because he had mercy on me and he revealed himself to me. I wouldn't
tell you this if it were not true,because I don't believe in lying to get some
one to believe in God because I care way too much about my relationship
with Jesus Christ than to risk it over a debate.
I am so sorry that you cannot believe in God.
Beetles are beetles. They are bugs,and they were all made by God.

 

[BenjaminTC]

So your response to the fact that each species of beetle could not physically be held by an arc is

"God is real and he has shown himself to me. I'm sorry you can't see that. bla bla bla"

The argument wasn't "God isn't real" it was "The literal interperatation of the biblical flood is an impossibility."

Your argument was not only weak, it was off topic, and you showed the weakness of your argument by backing into a corner and telling us your experience with god. That is best discribed by one word: Pathetic.

 

[Guest]

So your response to the fact that each species of beetle could not physically be held by an arc is

"God is real and he has shown himself to me. I'm sorry you can't see that. bla bla bla"

The argument wasn't "God isn't real" it was "The literal interperatation of the biblical flood is an impossibility."

Your argument was not only weak, it was off topic, and you showed the weakness of your argument by backing into a corner and telling us your experience with god. That is best discribed by one word: Pathetic.

8-) Your a bitter little creature,aren't you?
Thats a lie and you know it. You cannot bare the thought that someone
else might believe God and be happy,and you want to steal that,but what
God says will endure forever,and his children will hear his voice. I don't
claim to be a bug expert,I know that a great amount beetles cannot possibly have evolved,just like I know that not even one beetle could
possibly evolve!
What I call pathetic is your hatred towards God,and your fear that someone might believe God that you thought was just as lost as you are.
You don't even have to worry about Quath anyway. Quath is not going to
believe anyone or anything he doesn't want to believe,so you are the one
backed in a corner and who is afraid,if not,you couldn't have written such
a down right ugly post like that.

 

[Guest]

:Fade-color Lets make Ben happy. Yes,the Ark was big enough to carry
every bug species we have today,amen.

 

[Asimov]

Your a bitter little creature,aren't you?
Thats a lie and you know it. You cannot bare the thought that someone
else might believe God and be happy,and you want to steal that,but what
God says will endure forever,and his children will hear his voice. I don't
claim to be a bug expert,I know that a great amount beetles cannot possibly have evolved,just like I know that not even one beetle could
possibly evolve!
What I call pathetic is your hatred towards God,and your fear that someone might believe God that you thought was just as lost as you are.
You don't even have to worry about Quath anyway. Quath is not going to
believe anyone or anything he doesn't want to believe,so you are the one
backed in a corner and who is afraid,if not,you couldn't have written such
a down right ugly post like that.

Hahahha...that was a downright laugh. The only lie is you blue. After he's shown you that you didn't even answer the question, you attack his beliefs? Why don't you answer instead of avoiding the topic?

 

[Asimov]

:Fade-color Lets make Ben happy. Yes,the Ark was big enough to carry
every bug species we have today,amen.

According to Biblical specifications, no it wasn't. Cuz it's not just bug species we have to deal with. It's the multitude of other species of animals that you have to deal with as well. If beetles could fill the entire ark by themselves, with 350,000 of their species, then how do you fit in the rest of the species of animals on the earth?

 

[Guest]

:Fade-color Lets make Ben happy. Yes,the Ark was big enough to carry
every bug species we have today,amen.

According to Biblical specifications, no it wasn't. Cuz it's not just bug species we have to deal with. It's the multitude of other species of animals that you have to deal with as well. If beetles could fill the entire ark by themselves, with 350,000 of their species, then how do you fit in the rest of the species of animals on the earth?

:D Proof please. Again you were not there,and your simpleness cannot
phantom what it was like to actually be in an Ark.
As I have stated,I am not concerned with this. What a small thing to turn
into a debate. How did we get Mosquito's?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... nimals.asp
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html

 

[Asimov]

Proof please. Again you were not there,and your simpleness cannot phantom what it was like to actually be in an Ark.
As I have stated,I am not concerned with this. What a small thing to turn
into a debate. How did we get Mosquito's?

So, blue, your answer is that the Noah only took 16,000 animals on board, and through evolution was created all the diversity of animals? Hahahaha...that's the biggest joke ever!

You're not concerned with it, because you don't understand it. There simply is not enough room, food, or water to keep these animals alive for that period of time, not to mention Noah and his family.

 

[8000 rads]

Nobody created God. He was always there.

On the other hand, you can think that the Universe was always there. Just like God, it didn't need anyone to create it.

God is beyond our understanding, and so is the origin of the Universe.

Therefore, they are the same question.

That's why I'm an agnostic: both views could be right. We'll NEVER know for sure. Anyone who denies this is just covering his eyes.

 

[Quath]

8000 Rads, I am curious about your name. Is that radiation dose or radians or something else?

Quath

 

[8000 rads]

Radiation dose. I'm fascinated about the connections between Biology and Physics: that way I can study my two "loved ones" at the same time.

 

[BenjaminTC]

That's why I'm an agnostic: both views could be right.

That is not possible if the two views conflict with eachother.

 

[Quath]

Radiation dose. I'm fascinated about the connections between Biology and Physics: that way I can study my two "loved ones" at the same time.

That is interesting. I got my doctorate in Health Physics (and Nuclear Engineering). I chose Nuclear Engineering because it sounded so futuristic while I was in High School. I figured I would be working on plasma warp drives or something. I was in for a shock when I saw that it was more 1950's technology extended to today. (At least now they are making nuclear rocket engines for spacecrafts, so I was not as far off as I had thought.) When I saw that nuclear technology was highly politicised, I got a dual degree in health physics. I figured either way I had my bases covered.

Quath

 

[8000 rads]

That's why I'm an agnostic: both views could be right.

That is not possible if the two views conflict with eachother.

I don't mean both options could be right at the same time. It has to be either one or the other. But I thnik we only have science to learn about how things are, and science -and this is a personal belief- will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of a God. If God actually existed, we would never know through scientific methods. So if someone believes in him, the only thing I feel it is fair to say is "well, it might be".

 

[Quath]

I don't mean both options could be right at the same time. It has to be either one or the other. But I thnik we only have science to learn about how things are, and science -and this is a personal belief- will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of a God. If God actually existed, we would never know through scientific methods. So if someone believes in him, the only thing I feel it is fair to say is "well, it might be".

Science could prove God and disprove certain versions of God. For example, God could show up one day and do the Talk Show curcuit, throw in a few miracles and release the Newest Testaments (available at a Barnes and Nobles near you). This would count as proof of God. (But it doesn't really say what God is.)

Certain versions of God could be disproven. For example, if a Christian believes Mark 16:18, then they should be able to drink any deadly thing and not be hurt. This experiment can be done and I am sure you will find the person hurt. So the choices are that this passage is wrong or this guy is not a Christian. Anyone claiming to be a Christian of this God can take the test. (Or cource, I am ignoring that there could be a few real Christians that do not take the test, but this is just an example.) So what happens? Christians reinterpret the text or cast doubt on it and say it was added later. Thus they do not believe in the version of God that gives His follows immunity to all ingested poisons with no caveats.

Quath

 

[bibleberean]

[quote="8000 rads":8ae91]
That's why I'm an agnostic: both views could be right.

That is not possible if the two views conflict with eachother.

I don't mean both options could be right at the same time. It has to be either one or the other. But I thnik we only have science to learn about how things are, and science -and this is a personal belief- will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of a God. If God actually existed, we would never know through scientific methods. So if someone believes in him, the only thing I feel it is fair to say is "well, it might be".[/quote:8ae91]

To avoid total confusion don't say "both views could be right".

Say I don't know which view is right.

You see, what you said coupled with what you are saying makes no sense at all.