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Where Do Babies Go When They Die ?

Lewis

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Where do babies go when they die. They have not been saved. And they are not at the age of accountability. I believe that they go to be with the Lord. God is not a cruel God. So why would he let a innocent baby go to hell. And it is not their fault that they died. They have did no sin' to even cause it. But it is so sad to see a sick baby' and then they die. It breaks my heart. Like for instance 1 Kings 14:13 KJV talking about a baby that is going to die. The Lord saw something good in the baby, so He was taking the baby. I have had that verse highlighted for many years. But now I want to talk about the where do babies go when they die ? So what say ye?
 
mutzrein said:
Babies, like any others who are not born of the Spirit do not have eternal life. They perish.

Though I respectfully understand your point of view brother, I completly disagree.

More to come.

Edit to add.
To qualify your statment, you first need to look at what seperates man from God. Would you agree that the simple answer is sin?

Where we will probably sharply disagree, is that babies are not coceived, yet born with their souls in a sinfull state. I would agree that there is sin that surrounds an infant at birth, but even as 'Born Again' Christians, sin is still surrounding us.

In Christ,
Jeff
 
No way would my loving God, Jesus Christ' do such a thing. Jesus said that the little ones would inherent the Kingdom of God. Now these babies have not even had a chance to grow up and sin. They don't even know right from wrong yet. What have they done to God ? Answer nothing. Now if they are 2 or 3 years old, they begin to learn right from wrong' because we teach them. But they are still babies' who really don't have a grasp on things yet. So I say again Jesus takes them and keeps them.
 
I have always held to the idea that all babies that die to young to make a decision for Christ will go to heaven.
I hold to that hope because I lost twins at birth and I know that like David I will see them again in heaven.

John MacArthur was asked this question and here is the answer he gave.

Do babies and others incapable of professing faith in Christ automatically go to heaven?


People often wonder about the eternal destiny of the unborn, babies, and those unable to intellectually understand the gospel. That question is a difficult one. Unfortunately, the Bible offers us no explicit answer. However, based on several passages, as well as an understanding of God's character and His dealings with men, we can develop a good idea of how He works in such situations.

Second Samuel 12:23 is one of the passages often quoted to imply that babies go to heaven. Though the verse doesn't explicitly say that, David clearly does expect to one day be reunited with his departed child. Since we know David is a believer whose destiny was heaven, we can infer that his hope of reunion means he expected his child to be in heaven. Thus, 2 Samuel 12:23 suggests strong evidence for a heavenly destiny of the unborn and children who die young.

If this were all we had to support our position, it would be admittedly less than stalwart. However, there are other evidences that point us to the same conclusion. First, the Bible clearly teaches that God cares deeply for children. Passages like Matthew 18:1-6 and 19:13-15 affirm the Lord's love for them. Those verses don't state that children go to heaven, but they do show God's heart toward children. He created and cares for children, and beyond that, He always accomplishes His perfect will in every circumstance.

The psalmist reminds us that God is "full of compassion and gracious, longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth" (Ps. 86:15). He is the God who became flesh that He might carry our sins away by His death on the cross (2 Cor. 5:21). He is the God who will comfort Christians in heaven, for "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death; nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain" (Rev. 21:4). We can be assured that God will do what is right and loving because He is the standard of rightness and love. Those considerations alone seem to be evidence enough of God's particular, electing love shown to the unborn and those who die young.

However, another point may be helpful in answering this question. While infants and children have neither sensed their personal sin and need for salvation nor placed their faith in Christ, Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the clear rejection of God's revelationâ€â€whether general or specificâ€â€not simple ignorance of it (Luke 10:16; John 12:48; 1 Thess. 4:8).

Can we definitely say that the unborn and young children have comprehended the truth displayed by God's general revelation that renders them "without excuse" (Rom. 1:18-20)? They will be judged according to the light they received. Scripture is clear that children and the unborn have original sinâ€â€including both the propensity to sin as well as the inherent guilt of original sin. But could it be that somehow Christ's atonement did pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time? Yes, and therefore it is a credible assumption that a child who dies at an age too young to have made a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus Christ will be taken to be with the Lord.

For a tender and encouraging treatment of this sensitive subject, see John's book Safe in the Arms of God
 
This is talking about a baby who fell' sick, but notice that in verse 13 God takes this baby, because God said that He saw something good in this baby. Like I said for years' this chapter has always made me think that God' takes babies to be with Him. And verse 12 God said that the child shall die.

1 Kings 14 (King James Version)

1 Kings 14

1At that time Abijah the son of Jeroboam fell sick.

2And Jeroboam said to his wife, Arise, I pray thee, and disguise thyself, that thou be not known to be the wife of Jeroboam; and get thee to Shiloh: behold, there is Ahijah the prophet, which told me that I should be king over this people.

3And take with thee ten loaves, and cracknels, and a cruse of honey, and go to him: he shall tell thee what shall become of the child.

4And Jeroboam's wife did so, and arose, and went to Shiloh, and came to the house of Ahijah. But Ahijah could not see; for his eyes were set by reason of his age.

5And the LORD said unto Ahijah, Behold, the wife of Jeroboam cometh to ask a thing of thee for her son; for he is sick: thus and thus shalt thou say unto her: for it shall be, when she cometh in, that she shall feign herself to be another woman.

6And it was so, when Ahijah heard the sound of her feet, as she came in at the door, that he said, Come in, thou wife of Jeroboam; why feignest thou thyself to be another? for I am sent to thee with heavy tidings.

7Go, tell Jeroboam, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Forasmuch as I exalted thee from among the people, and made thee prince over my people Israel,

8And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;

9But hast done evil above all that were before thee: for thou hast gone and made thee other gods, and molten images, to provoke me to anger, and hast cast me behind thy back:

10Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

11Him that dieth of Jeroboam in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat: for the LORD hath spoken it.

12Arise thou therefore, get thee to thine own house: and when thy feet enter into the city, the child shall die.

13And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LORD God of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.
 
I would totally disagree with the callous way that mutzrein put it without any scripture to back up his assertion. And without any though to the pain that some may feel here that have lost a child.

Here is another answer for http://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-accountability.html They also recommend John MacAthur's book.


Question: "What happens to babies and young children when they die? Where do I find the age of accountability in the Bible?"

Answer: The Bible tells us that even if an infant or child has not committed personal sin, all people including infants and children are guilty before God because of inherited and imputed sin. Inherited sin is that which is passed on from our parents. In Psalm 51:5, David wrote, "I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." David recognized that even at conception, he was a sinner. The very sad fact that infants sometimes die demonstrates that even infants are impacted by Adam’s sin, since physical and spiritual death were the results of Adam's original sin.



Each person, infant or adult, stands guilty before God; each person has offended the holiness of God. The only way that God can be just and at the same time declare a person righteous is for that person to have received forgiveness by faith in Christ. Christ is the only way. John 14:6 records what Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." Also, Peter stated in Acts 4:12, "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." Salvation is an individual choice.



Thirteen is the most common number given for the age of accountability based on the Jewish custom that a child becomes an adult at the age of 13. However, the Bible gives no direct support to the age of 13 always being the age of accountability. It likely varies from child to child. A child has passed the age of accountability once he or she is capable of making a faith decision for or against Christ.



With the above in mind, also consider the following: Christ's death is presented as sufficient for all of mankind. First John 2:2 says Jesus "is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." This verse is clear that Jesus' death was sufficient for all sins, not just the sins of those who specifically have come to Him in faith. The fact that Christ's death was sufficient for all sin would allow the possibility of God applying that payment to those who were never capable of believing.



The one passage that seems to identify with this topic more than any other is 2 Samuel 12:21-23. The context of these verses is that King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, with a resulting pregnancy. The prophet Nathan was sent by the Lord to inform David that because of his sin, the Lord would take the child in death. David responded to this by grieving, mourning, and praying for the child. But, once the child was taken, David's mourning ended. David's servants were surprised to hear this. They said to King David, "What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." David's response was, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." David's response can be seen as an argument that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord. David said that he could go to the child, but that he could not bring the child back to him. Also, and just as important, David seemed to be comforted over this. In other words, David seemed to be saying that he would once again see the child (in heaven), though he could not bring him back.



Though the Bible leaves open the possibility, the one problem with saying that God applies Christ's payment for sin to those who can't believe is that the Bible does not specifically say that He does this. Therefore, this is a subject for which we should not be adamant or dogmatic. We can, however, be dogmatic about the fact that God ALWAYS does what is right.



Knowing the love and grace of God, God applying Christ’s death to those who cannot believe would seem consistent with His character. It is our position that God applies Christ's payment for sin to young children and those who are mentally handicapped, since they were not mentally capable of understanding their sinful state and their need for the Savior. Of this I am certain, that God is loving, holy, merciful, just and gracious. Whatever He does, it is ALWAYS Right.

Recommended Resource: Safe in the Arms of God: Words from Heaven About the Death of a Child by John MacArthur.
 
Hi Judy and Lewis.

This is from another poster on another site from a conversation I had back in Jan of 06 along these same lines.
http://siteforthelord.com/viewtopic.php?t=512&start=0

We do bear the consequences of original sin here on earth. The earth is a very different place now than it was before Adam and Eve sinned. We have thorns and thistles and trials and pestilences that did not exist before that, (Genesis 3:17-18). We also have completely different weather patterns now than we had before the great flood, so the earth has changed drastically because of the influence of sin and we must bear those consequences in our flesh.

As for eternal consequences the Bible is very specific about that.

Ezekiel 18:19-20
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father ? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father , neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son : the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
KJV

And in the New Testament;

Galatians 6:5
For every man shall bear his own burden .
KJV

One of the things that the Bible does for us is that it reveals to us the mind of God. We learn from a study of His word how He reacts to things, what makes Him happy and what makes Him angry. We learn the very nature of our creator. Our God is an awesome God. He is holy absolute. What this means is that our God is absolutely just, absolutely fair, absolutely right, absolutely dependable and absolutely true. Everything that God is, is absolute, total, complete.

There are people in the denominational world that believe our absolutely Holy God & creator would toss a living soul into Hell's fire for eternity who had never committed sin. Who had never been accountable for anything in their lives, but are guilty because of the sins of their ancestors.

Let's think about this for a minute in this light. Jesus, who was the word of God and came to live on earth in the flesh, (John 1) was born of a woman. Jesus Christ Himself walked on this earth and He was a descendant of the same Adam and Eve that we are. If we bear the guilt of Adam and Eve's transgression, then Jesus would have too and that would have disqualified Him as a suitable sacrifice for our sin.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus Christ was competely and utterly without sin. The very fact that He was sinless utterly crushes the notion that all mankind bear the original sin because Jesus sure didn't.
 
As far as posting my own verse,
These words were directly spoken to little children (under 13), fathers, and young people whome I consider teen agers.

1 John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, that your sins have been forgiven because of his name. 2:13 I am writing to you, fathers, that you have known him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young people, that you have conquered the evil one.45 2:14 I have written to you, children, that you have known the Father. I have written to you, fathers, that you have known him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young people, that you are strong, and the word of God resides in you, and you have conquered the evil one.
 
Like in networking.

When you are writing an ACL (access control list) - like the rules to get into heaven, there is an implicit deny. You can not enter the network (heaven) if you do not meet the criteria.

Babies, are like packets that have not been properly encrypted (saved) so therefore, they cannot enter the network (heaven)


:)
 
So if Jesus will not allow children to enter Heaven because they do not meet the standard criteria. Then what did Jesus mean in this verse?

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Now we know that a child must come to the Lord. But we are not talking about a child are we? We are talking about babies who can not make that choice. So can you prove with out a shadow of doubt that babies do not enter Heaven? Because if they do not enter Heaven the only other alternative is Hell. I can not prove with out a shadow of doubt that babies enter Heaven, but I can prove with out a shadow of doubt is the Character of our loving Father.
 
Atone you are right' babies can't make that choice. And god is a God who makes sense even though we can't see it at times, and on certain issues' never. But would He put a baby in hell' that can't make a choice' for themselves. Does that make sense ?
 
I don't see what is callous with what I have said. I'm not suggesting that babies go to hell - as anyone would know if they had followed my posts on the subject since being on this board.

Yes, I believe that God is righteous and just in all his ways and does not eternally punish innocents. He does not send babies to hell.

And this is precisely why I believe scripture when it speaks of those perishing, who do not receive eternal life.
 
And this is precisely why I believe scripture when it speaks of those perishing, who do not receive eternal life.

That's just it Mutz' babies can't get born again. But God is a just God. And because they cannot say the sinners prayer and get salvation.because they are not old enough. It seems natural that God will not let them perish. We were created to live forever to dwell among God. But after the fall hell came into play. So what I am saying is because' babies can't make that decision. God takes them with Him. Because even though' they were born in sin' they have not made a conscience decision to sin. And' or not to except Christ.
 
well lewis, then that goes back to what about all the people that have never heard of Christ. Did or do they all go to hell? or do they go to heaven?
 
Here's a thought.

Perhaps God can communicate with babies in a way that we can not.

This is one of those threads that will never come to an answer that everyone can agree on. It comes down to trusting God to do what is right. It grieves my spirit to see a debate like this where the answer is either yes or no, and that no matter what answer someone gives, someone else is going to say that God would be wrong to do it.

In fact, as you read through Scripture, I believe that you will find that He communicates with animals, wind, waves, stars, rain, and adults. Knowing the character of my Lord, I can say this with some certainty. I believe that God can communicate with babies in a way that we can not.
 
mutzrein said:
I don't see what is callous with what I have said. I'm not suggesting that babies go to hell - as anyone would know if they had followed my posts on the subject since being on this board.

Yes, I believe that God is righteous and just in all his ways and does not eternally punish innocents. He does not send babies to hell.

And this is precisely why I believe scripture when it speaks of those perishing, who do not receive eternal life.

Well Mutz,

I suppose that if you had lost a child, you might see why it is a bit callous. Heartless might be a better word.
 
Those who know the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, know that those children who were not old enough to make a decision concerning the word of God will be in the Lord's presence one day.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:6-19
 
mutzrein said:
Babies, like any others who are not born of the Spirit do not have eternal life. They perish.

You are so, so wrong! You have insulted God! ANYBODY who knows him does not believe such nonsence. PLEASE, get to know him. Do you have any idea about the concept of hell. Do you have any idea as to what it is like? ALL babies and aborted fetuses go straraight to Heaven upon their death. They are cared for there and will grow up in Heaven. If you have lost a child, you may be met by your full grown child when you reach Heaven.
 
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