Very simple ... you speak of the Church as being weak ans sick... yet you say not to speak of your physical body in that manor...Reba not sure what you are getting at here so I will keep my type quiet so as not to say the wrong thing.
I believe it is best if i ask you what it is your are saying first.... Been there and done that and learned from it too.Thanks Reba and blessings
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Where is the "Real" Body of Christ These Days ?
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th1b.taylor
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Good morning Jim,Hello My Brother and Friend,
Beleive me when I say I understand full well what you are saying.
The awesome thing that set me free was this......God said We Have to love one another and Love or Brethren even as He loves the brethren....However He did not say we havbe to agree or even like each other. I mean I can my co worker in Christ and not like him very much as he stirs up a lot of trouble. Now then do not take that wrong way for you know full well that I not only love you my friend but I even like you a lot too.
Bill Here is a portion of the point I am trying to make.
Yet there is still another side that is not being seen correctly.
It does not matter if we know some say they are Christians and are not and if we know some churches are not operating correctly under the Lord Jesus Christ. However it DOES MATTER VERY MUCH that the world which is in the dark does not understand this and see's this all as one, "His Church and Body"
We are His light in this world. All the excuses the body of Christ can make will NOT remove the picture the lost are seeing daily. Google Christian things and find so many so called Christians cclaiming direct revelation from God about all these false teachers and such. You find churches fighting churches and the body of Christ fighting over preachers having to much money. It is all orchestrated from HELL issued by satan to turn the body of Christ into carnal minded christians all the while he is operating within the shadows penetrating deep within the church.
It's time we wake up for the time for excuses and sweeping this under the rug has come and gone. It has reached His throne room and He is going to raise up some young Sheppard's who Love Him and will preach His Righteousness and Grace and are NOT afraid of the so called religious circles. This is the day....Ever hear hear Christians talk about "SOME DAY" Well God said this is THAT DAY and if you are not able to go with His flow then you wont be of the ones He will use.... in this day and hour.
It's past time for the Body of Christ to wake up,
This is what I am talking about
Blessings
Jim
Awoke with a lot of pain but I took my meds, slept a couple more hours and reawoke among the living. While I agree with where you are pointed, at the same time, among the different movements there are many Benny Hinns and Oral Roberts, soaking the poor for all the green they can swindle them out of as they expect a blessing through the liars.
We must stop the false prophets these two represent because they are the world's picture of the "Top Layer" Christian and the poor faithful that "Blindly" send them money are the blind and foolish Christians in the world's eyes. These liars, like the Black Criminals are such a minority but in both cases they are the most visible and lead people to bad and completely false conclusions.
I will continue to try to debunk these "¿men of God?"
Abigail123
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Excellent point, reba!
Like you, I have never understood the mentality of foregoing the positive the church does and focusing only on the negative. Why not focus on the positives AND the needs of the Body and those around us, instead of bashing our brothers and sisters? There are a vast amount of churches here who have entered the community and made a major difference in the lives of 1,000's and I am not exaggerating and this is just my little area of the world.
We already know the prophecy that in the last days people will enjoy having their ears tickled and some will deny the power, this is going to be unavoidable, there WILL be a great Apostasy. We do for them what we do for unbelievers - set an example by the way we live and through prayer.
We should also start praying for our brothers and sisters who are being killed each and every day for claiming Christ - the rest of the Body. The extremist have already stated they are killing "first the Saturday people (Jews) and then the Sunday people (the church)". Saw this just now and thought I'd share, from Franklin Graham, this is about our brethren!
"This morning, Islamic terrorists from al-Qaeda-linked militant group Al-Shabaab stormed into a Christian prayer service at Garissa University in Kenya, began shooting believers, and rampaged across the campus. Tragically, reports say 143 people were killed and 79 injured in this brutal attack, plus four gunmen were killed. Their motives were unmistakably clear. The spokesman for Al-Shabaab’s military operations, brazenly admitted, "We sorted people out and released the Muslims." A student who escaped told the Associated Press, "If you were a Christian, you were shot on the spot." Pray for the hundreds of students, families, and faculty affected by this attack. And continue to pray that the world will wake up to the threat of Islam across the globe."
My 2 cents.
Jethro Bodine
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Ouch!
So he's the reason I'm having so many problems.
Jethro Bodine
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"Make room angels. Here comes 143 of my people who did not deny my name in the face of death."
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Abigail123
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Abigail123
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When it comes to be murdered as the 143 were, I don't think it matters, if they walked into a prayer service here in America, or worship service, they would shoot and kill regardless if a person was strong or not.
There are carnal Christians and we are all at different levels in our walk. The strong help the weak.
Fish Catcher Jim
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Not at all Brother..........
Jethro Bodine
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If they're in open defiance, yes:
" Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges." (1 Corinthians 5:12-13 NASB)
Maybe you would feel compelled to say Paul is not telling them to judge in regard to salvation. But just before this he instructs them to put the immoral fellow out of their fellowship so that he can be saved on the Day of Christ (vs. 5). He's being judged in regard to his salvation. He can not be saved on the Day of Wrath the way he is now.
I don't see where it says 'leave him alone', don't judge him, yada, yada, yada...'. No. It is necessary that the openly sinful people in the church be confronted about their willful sin so they can have a chance to repent and be saved on the Day of Judgment.
And let's not turn this into an OSAS discussion. Whether or not the immoral chap at Corinth was saved to begin with, or not, is another subject altogether. It has no bearing on what is to be done with openly disobedient people in the church. People have to stop looking at everything through the indoctrination of OSAS.
Jethro Bodine
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Paul ordered the church at Corinth to be fruit inspectors, and he told them what to do when they find bad fruit, but we all know he hardly pushed a works salvation. It is a logical fallacy to say the judging of people's sinful behavior in the church in regard to their salvation means you believe in a works salvation. 1 Corinthians 5:1-12 NASB utterly destroys that contention.
We can detect unbelief in a person in the church by how they act. A lifestyle of willful sinful behavior is a sign of unbelief. Those who believe in salvation through faith are entitled to judge those who do not have faith by how they act. Judging doesn't have to mean that one believes that salvation is by works. That's ridiculous. And notice that Paul does not tell us to judge in regard to condemning a person. He leaves the door open for the possibility of the sinful fellow at Corinth to come to his senses, repent, and be saved on the Day of Christ. Which we know he did and was restored to fellowship.
Jethro Bodine
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Only by the power of God's Spirit and presence within me will I confess, "I am a Christian" if an unbeliever ever sticks a gun in my face and asks if I'm a Christian, or not. That's why it's so important for us to stay tuned into the Spirit and tuned out of the world, so we can stand in the hour of trouble.
Samson didn't realize that he'd lost his God given strength through his love of forbidden women until he needed that strength and found out it wasn't there for him. By being turned over to the suffering of the flesh his strength did return and he was eventually victorious over the enemies and restored to the fellowship of the Spirit. Kind of sounds like the Corinthian fellow I was just talking about.
Yes. And that is what my post was addressing. We don't judge their salvation or if they are born again or not. Paul never questions this guys salvation.. 1 Corinthians 5:1-12 NASB
But some and I would lean to the majority in the Church will.
Jethro Bodine
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Wrong. He does in fact question the ultimate outcome for this person. What he is judging is this person's behavior and it's bearing on his fate on the Day of Christ. What he is not judging is his ultimate outcome. He knows there is the possibility that he will repent and be saved. Thus the reason for turning him over to the flesh.
If the matter of the path he is on now is not in question there would be no reason to add "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:5 NASB).
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Jethro Bodine
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The first one.
For some reason the church has gotten all PC and decided that simply pointing out the reality of sin is the equivalent of condemning them to hell. That might be their ultimate outcome but that hardly means we can't make the judgment now that they are living in sin.
LovethroughDove
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John 15:5-8
5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.
8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.
8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
Jethro Bodine
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Now it's my turn: How do you mean pass judgment? In regard to their final outcome, or in regard to the sin they are committing today?
We most certainly can call people in the church out about their sin. What we can't do is decide, now, that they will be cast into hell for that sin. A lot can happen between now and then. But it is true that if they stay on the path they are on now they will indeed go to the fiery place.
Are we so PC now that we can't tell people this for fear of 'judging' them?
ezra
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this i can agree with .the local assembly is by far perfect as in w/o blemish . the big problem is we have so much RELIGION in the church. not much room for JESUS . let me pick on the baptist ( i am baptist but its not my worship nor my saviour ) you have the southern baptist who feel they are really close to being the correct doctrine. then you have the independent fundamental baptist who feel the southern baptist has gone liberal to some degree . both teach about the same doctrine OSAS , i have buddy who is ifb .my wife and i attended their camp meeting last year. heard one preacher bring message on the warning sounds of the trumpet . he brought out he liked orchestra music loved the percussion (drum section) then he stopped and said we dont need those ungodly drums in Church. (THERE IS A GOOD RELIGION STATEMENT ) .... we allow the piano to be used .. but where do we see them the most at? in a saloon in any western show.. (gasp) every group denom--person sooner or later ends up adding things to their belief . that are not bible....(gasp) i attended 2 nights of revival service thursday and friday night.. thurs night message was about being under the influence and there is where we miss the mark.. i read fisher jim post parts i agree parts i don,t . how many preachers/ bible teachers is in this forum? if your not a teacher or preacher.... try it some time and see how easy it is... (not) i think paul said it best
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1 Corinthians 4:15 (MSG) There are a lot of people around who can't wait to tell you what you've done wrong, but there aren't many fathers willing to take the time and effort to help you grow up. It was as Jesus helped me proclaim God's Message to you that I became your father.
let the holy spirit back in.. we made the church about religion