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Where is the "Real" Body of Christ These Days ?

LovethroughDove said:
John 15:5-8
5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.
8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
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"showing yourselves to be my disciples".

Hmm.....sounds like fruit is how we know who is remaining in Christ and who isn't. But we're being told that is judging, and that we can't do that.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
The first one.
For some reason the church has gotten all PC and decided that simply pointing out the reality of sin is the equivalent of condemning them to hell. That might be their ultimate outcome but that hardly means we can't make the judgment now that they are living in sin.
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Its the second one. You have the man in Corinth as unsaved, if he doesn't repent of this particular sin.

The reality, I know it is a hard one( it is difficult for us to see this fact), but sin was judged(second meaning) on the cross.

This is why every thread will eventually turn into a salvation thread or eternal security thread.

He paid for ALL sin on the cross. Its sad that most Christians don't know that or believe that.
 
ezra said:
this i can agree with .the local assembly is by far perfect as in w/o blemish . the big problem is we have so much RELIGION in the church. not much room for JESUS . let me pick on the baptist ( i am baptist but its not my worship nor my saviour ) you have the southern baptist who feel they are really close to being the correct doctrine. then you have the independent fundamental baptist who feel the southern baptist has gone liberal to some degree . both teach about the same doctrine OSAS , i have buddy who is ifb .my wife and i attended their camp meeting last year. heard one preacher bring message on the warning sounds of the trumpet . he brought out he liked orchestra music loved the percussion (drum section) then he stopped and said we dont need those ungodly drums in Church. (THERE IS A GOOD RELIGION STATEMENT ) .... we allow the piano to be used .. but where do we see them the most at? in a saloon in any western show.. (gasp) every group denom--person sooner or later ends up adding things to their belief . that are not bible....(gasp) i attended 2 nights of revival service thursday and friday night.. thurs night message was about being under the influence and there is where we miss the mark.. i read fisher jim post parts i agree parts i don,t . how many preachers/ bible teachers is in this forum? if your not a teacher or preacher.... try it some time and see how easy it is... (not) i think paul said it best
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1 Corinthians 4:15 (MSG) There are a lot of people around who can't wait to tell you what you've done wrong, but there aren't many fathers willing to take the time and effort to help you grow up. It was as Jesus helped me proclaim God's Message to you that I became your father.
let the holy spirit back in.. we made the church about religion
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Please, will every true Christian get out of denominations!

I'm sick of hearing about denominations. The body mingles in them. They are not in and of themselves the body. We need to separate ourselves from them. The only true denomination is the body of Christ.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Now it's my turn: How do you mean pass judgment? In regard to their final outcome, or in regard to the sin they are committing today?

We most certainly can call people in the church out about their sin. What we can't do is decide, now, that they will be cast into hell for that sin. A lot can happen between now and then. But it is true that if they stay on the path they are on now they will indeed go to the fiery place.
Are we so PC now that we can't tell people this for fear of 'judging' them?
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Now it's my turn: How do you mean pass judgment? In regard to their final outcome, or in regard to the sin they are committing today?
What i was trying to say we cannot condemn some one to hell we do not have that authority... Telling someone " hey man that life style .you are living will send you to hell... in not condemning them..

We most certainly can call people in the church out about their sin. What we can't do is decide, now, that they will be cast into hell for that sin. A lot can happen between now and then. But it is true that if they stay on the path they are on now they will indeed go to the fiery place.
I think you and i are on the same page
Are we so PC now that we can't tell people this for fear of 'judging' them?
If that is the case we are worthless
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Hmm.....sounds like fruit is how we know who is remaining in Christ and who isn't. But we're being told that is judging, and that we can't do that.
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It is such a fine line to be shrewd as snakes and innocent as doves. My snakeyness comes out a little when I am speaking with people who say they know Jesus, but don't describe the Jesus I know by reading his words and understanding his heart. He is so LOVING, but he doesn't put up with people posing as Love.......a fake love. Those who really only care about their little life. Those who don't see the big picture of the kingdom come.
 
gr8grace3 said:
Its the second one. You have the man in Corinth as unsaved, if he doesn't repent of this particular sin.

The reality, I know it is a hard one( it is difficult for us to see this fact), but sin was judged(second meaning) on the cross.

This why every thread will eventually turn into a salvation thread or eternal security thread.

He paid for ALL sin on the cross. Its sad that most Christians don't know that or believe that.
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Park this OSAS doctrine for two seconds and stop filtering the passage through that.

It doesn't matter that the sinful man is saved, not saved, or was saved, and now is not. The plain teaching in the passage is that the sinful person in the church be turned over to the flesh and out of the fellowship of the body in preparation for being saved on the Day of Christ. If you want to argue the status of his salvation before and up to this point, that does not change what Paul said to do with that person, and why.
 
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LovethroughDove said:
It is such a fine line to be shrewd as snakes and innocent as doves. My snakeyness comes out a little when I am speaking with people who say they know Jesus, but don't describe the Jesus I know by reading his words and understanding his heart. He is so LOVING, but he doesn't put up with people posing as Love.......a fake love. Those who really only care about their little life. Those who don't see the big picture of the kingdom come.
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Christ did not speak too highly of hypocrites. He wasn't very PC with them, yet so many in the church insist that we be.

Where we see Christ's compassion in scripture is with the humble, struggling person.
 
reba said:
What i was trying to say we cannot condemn some one to hell we do not have that authority... Telling someone " hey man that life style .you are living will send you to hell... in not condemning them..
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Just checking.

I agree.

reba said:
I think you and i are on the same page
Are we so PC now that we can't tell people this for fear of 'judging' them?
If that is the case we are worthless
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I couldn't agree more.
What good is it to not tell people (judge them) that their sin will result in hell fire if they persist in it?
 
gr8grace3 said:
The reality, I know it is a hard one( it is difficult for us to see this fact), but sin was judged(second meaning) on the cross.
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But that judgment is only applied to those who have faith. But the church is good at telling sinful, unbelieving people (as evidenced by the dry branches of their sinful lifestyle) that it is applied to them for fear that they'd be 'judging' them if they told them it wasn't.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Please, will every true Christian get out of denominations!

I'm sick of hearing about denominations. The body mingles in them. They are not in and of themselves the body. We need to separate ourselves from them. The only true denomination is the body of Christ.
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{so what exactly is your belief ? } and before you answer that look what a denom is .. nothing wrong with denominations the real problem is the people in them { gasp} i recall what a former pastor said if your looking for a perfect Church and you find it.. it will no longer be perfect once you start going there.
denomination
[dih-nom-uh-ney-shuh n]
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noun
1.
a religious group, usually including many local churches, often largerthan a sect:
the Lutheran denomination.
2.
one of the grades or degrees in a series of designations of quantity,value, measure, weight, etc.:
He paid $500 in bills of small denomination.
3.
a name or designation, especially one for a class of things.
4.
{a class or kind of persons or things distinguished by a specific name.}
5.
the act of naming or designating a person or thing.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Please, will every true Christian get out of denominations!

I'm sick of hearing about denominations. The body mingles in them. They are not in and of themselves the body. We need to separate ourselves from them. The only true denomination is the body of Christ.
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Excellent post. :thumbsup

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reba said:
We do not have the authority to pass judgement on anyone... that alone is Gods.
We are to judge a righteous judgement
Joh_7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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That is how I see it reba. So many people say don't judge because the Bible says not to. Condemning and judging righteously are two different things. In fact I want other Christians to judge me. If another brother or sister in Christ sees something I am doing that is wrong, then by all means tell me. If I think that their judgment was not accurate that is ok. Iron sharpens Iron.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
The first one.
For some reason the church has gotten all PC and decided that simply pointing out the reality of sin is the equivalent of condemning them to hell. That might be their ultimate outcome but that hardly means we can't make the judgment now that they are living in sin.
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We are supposed to judge but only after taking the plank out of our own eye so that way we are judging fairly.

Sin should be addressed within the church but I wonder how many churches discipline a person according to the Bible's method.

I agree sin has been overlooked within the church and anyone calling anyone out is deemed more guilty than the actual guilty party.
 
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