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Where is the "Real" Body of Christ These Days ?

Abigail123 said:
I agree sin has been overlooked within the church and anyone calling anyone out is deemed more guilty than the actual guilty party.
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That's what's wrong in the christian community. Everyone is so afraid to say anything for fear of being ostracized.

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ezra said:
i can agree with that so should there just be one BIG universal Church? with on Big Pastor we are told to assemble our selves to gather ..personally i think your gnat straining
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If he's gnat straining, then that means there has to be 1 denomination that has it all together. One denomination that can call itself The Body of Christ. One denomination whose members are all chosen as the Elect. One denomination that is 100% perfect.

Anyone know who that is?

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gr8grace3 said:
Because that is a lie.

You seriously don't believe that Christ paid for the sins of the WHOLE world?
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What I seriously don't believe is that payment for sin has been applied to the whole world.
Many, many people--in fact, most--will never draw on the payment for sin that has been reserved for them and which is waiting for them to pick up and have applied--that is, reckoned--to their account.
 
Gary said:
If he's gnat straining, then that means there has to be 1 denomination that has it all together. One denomination that can call itself The Body of Christ. One denomination whose members are all chosen as the Elect. One denomination that is 100% perfect.

Anyone know who that is?

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Hmmm.....WHO could that be? :wink
 
Gary said:
If he's gnat straining, then that means there has to be 1 denomination that has it all together. One denomination that can call itself The Body of Christ. One denomination whose members are all chosen as the Elect. One denomination that is 100% perfect.

Anyone know who that is?

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dunno you tell me.... i sure dont have it all together and nor do i think any one else does . if we had it all together there would be no need for the cross
 
Jethro Bodine said:
What I seriously don't believe is that payment for sin has been applied to the whole world.
Many, many people--in fact, most--will never draw on the payment for sin that has been reserved for them and which is waiting for them to pick up and have applied--that is, reckoned--to their account.
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{ Many, many people--in fact, most--will never draw on the payment for sin that has been reserved for them and which is waiting for them to pick up and have applied--that is, reckoned--to their account.} sad but true payment has been made for those who will accept it... when we say for the whole world or should i say when i ..iam not suggestion universal salvation . there has to be conviction and drawing . we simply can not do it on our own with out him drawing us in.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
What I seriously don't believe is that payment for sin has been applied to the whole world.
Many, many people--in fact, most--will never draw on the payment for sin that has been reserved for them and which is waiting for them to pick up and have applied--that is, reckoned--to their account.
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Sad, but not true. And this is a different gospel. It is not the Good news Of Jesus Christ.

Sin is completely paid for. But He did not pay for all evil........human good. Our own righteousness is evil in Gods eyes(Rom 8:8.) That is why we need the very righteousness of God.
Romans 10:3~~New American Standard Bible
For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

People go to LoF because of their own righteousness, their human good(evil.)

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.......not their sins,they are paid for. They go because they tried to establish their own righteousness(human good,evil)
 
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gr8grace3 said:
Sad, but not true. And this is a different gospel. It is not the Good news Of Jesus Christ.

Sin is completely paid for. But He did not pay for evil........human good. Our own righteousness is evil in Gods eyes(Rom 8:8.) That is why we need the very righteousness of God.
Romans 10:3~~New American Standard Bible
For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

People go to LoF because of their own righteousness, their human good(evil.)

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.......not their sins,they are paid for. They go because they tried to establish their own righteousness(human good,evil)
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gr8grace3 said:
Sad, but not true. And this is a different gospel. It is not the Good news Of Jesus Christ.

Sin is completely paid for. But He did not pay for all evil........human good. Our own righteousness is evil in Gods eyes(Rom 8:8.) That is why we need the very righteousness of God.
Romans 10:3~~New American Standard Bible
For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

People go to LoF because of their own righteousness, their human good(evil.)

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.......not their sins,they are paid for. They go because they tried to establish their own righteousness(human good,evil)
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Your doctrine is too narrow. And it's too narrow because you can only think of all things 'Christian' in terms of OSAS, as if that was the sum total of Christianity, which it is not.

Not every unbeliever is trying to earn their own declaration of righteousness by doing good things. In fact, most that I know, and have known, aren't even remotely interested in that. They are busy fulfilling the deeds of the flesh as Paul has defined those for us here:

"19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry,sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these" (Galatians 5:19-21 NASB)

When the Bible speaks of 'being in the flesh' it is speaking of doing the evil things of the flesh--immorality, envy, drunkenness, etc. These are the sins--the deeds of the flesh--that mankind will be judged for on the Day of Christ. You are inventing a new gospel when you narrowly define 'deeds' as good deeds, but done without aid of the Spirit.

I'm familiar with where this concept of 'being in the flesh' as you define it comes from. It was used heavily in charismatic circles to describe someone who thinks they're operating in some enabling of the Spirit, but really are not, but rather in the power of their own mind and desires. I'd have to think a while on that to remember if that kind of 'being in the flesh' is even spoken about in the scriptures.

It seems to me I had a discussion with someone else in this forum who used to argue that all sin was the sin of trying to be righteous in our own power, completely ignoring the fact that the bulk of unbelievers are very much set on doing evil, not trying to be righteous.
 
gr8grace3 said:
Sad, but not true. And this is a different gospel. It is not the Good news Of Jesus Christ.

Sin is completely paid for. But He did not pay for all evil........human good. Our own righteousness is evil in Gods eyes(Rom 8:8.) That is why we need the very righteousness of God.
Romans 10:3~~New American Standard Bible
For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

People go to LoF because of their own righteousness, their human good(evil.)

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.......not their sins,they are paid for. They go because they tried to establish their own righteousness(human good,evil)
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Your doctrine is too narrow. And it's too narrow because you can only think of all things 'Christian' in terms of OSAS, as if that's wht the sum total of Christianity is, which it is not.

Not every unbeliever is trying to earn their own declaration of righteousness by doing good things. In fact, most that I know, and have known, aren't even remotely interested in that. They are busy fulfilling the deeds of the flesh as Paul has defined those for us here:

"19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry,sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these" (Galatians 5:19-21 NASB)

When the Bible speaks of 'being in the flesh' it is speaking of doing the evil things of the flesh--immorality, envy, drunkenness, etc. These are the sins--the deeds of the flesh--that mankind will be judged for on the Day of Christ. You are inventing a new gospel when you narrowly define 'deeds' as good deeds, but done without aid of the Spirit, by which we will be judged on that Day.

I'm familiar with where this concept of 'being in the flesh', as you define it, comes from. It was used heavily in charismatic circles to describe someone who thinks they're operating in some enabling of the Spirit, but really are not, but rather in the power of their own mind and desires. I'd have to think a while to remember if that kind of 'being in the flesh' is even spoken about in the scriptures.

It seems to me I had a discussion with someone else in this forum who used to argue that all sin was the sin of trying to be righteous in our own power, completely ignoring the fact that the bulk of those who sin are very much set on doing evil, not trying to be righteous.
 
ezra said:
{ Many, many people--in fact, most--will never draw on the payment for sin that has been reserved for them and which is waiting for them to pick up and have applied--that is, reckoned--to their account.} sad but true payment has been made for those who will accept it... when we say for the whole world or should i say when i ..iam not suggestion universal salvation . there has to be conviction and drawing . we simply can not do it on our own with out him drawing us in.
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The point of which is, only people who have faith have access to the payment for sin God has provided the world in Jesus Christ.
 
gr8grace3 said:
Because that is a lie.

You seriously don't believe that Christ paid for the sins of the WHOLE world?
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2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 
ezra said:
dunno you tell me.... i sure dont have it all together and nor do i think any one else does . if we had it all together there would be no need for the cross
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Aren't we suppose to strive for perfection?

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