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Whitney Houston started her singing career in church at the age of 9 and was wont to thank Jesus for her huge success as a diva. But like the man says: Everybody talkin' 'bout heaven ain't goin' there.<o:p></o:p>
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†. Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.<o:p></o:p>
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†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.<o:p></o:p>
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†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.<o:p></o:p>
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Whitney Houston started her singing career in church at the age of 9 and was wont to thank Jesus for her huge success as a diva. But like the man says: Everybody talkin' 'bout heaven ain't goin' there.<o:p></o:p>
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†. Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.<o:p></o:p>
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†. Mtt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.<o:p></o:p>
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†. Mtt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.<o:p></o:p>
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ivorhughjarse
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are we to be judged by God by the same measure that we judge others..... maybe? maybe not?
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Classik
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It's a question which no man can answer. Can we judge her destination by her life? Maybe? No one was with her (probably) when she gave up the ghost. A lot could have happened before she died. It doesn't take 20 yrs to say 'God, I'm sorry - forgive my sins and accept me'. It takes a broken and contrite heart...a repentant heart... to make heaven, it could take just a moment - a second.
I want to see her in heaven.
I want to see her in heaven.
Jethro Bodine
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Don't know, but it's a stark reminder of...
"25 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?" (Luke 9:25 NIV1984)
And that's what I think we should take away from this terrible thing that has happened to her family.
When these kinds of things happen I always wonder and hope that God somehow got through in the days before their passing. Right in my own church a man in his forties accepted Christ one Sunday morning after an anointed and inspired song by a young girl...then died two weeks later of a heart attack. God is so awesome. I remember him sitting right in front of me with his three year old son (I notice these things...I have four kids of my own). He had not been coming to church before that. Actually, the more I'm thinking about it, it may have been just days later that he died.
"25 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?" (Luke 9:25 NIV1984)
And that's what I think we should take away from this terrible thing that has happened to her family.
When these kinds of things happen I always wonder and hope that God somehow got through in the days before their passing. Right in my own church a man in his forties accepted Christ one Sunday morning after an anointed and inspired song by a young girl...then died two weeks later of a heart attack. God is so awesome. I remember him sitting right in front of me with his three year old son (I notice these things...I have four kids of my own). He had not been coming to church before that. Actually, the more I'm thinking about it, it may have been just days later that he died.
ivorhughjarse
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The man on the cross next to Jesus was not there because he was a Nobel prize for peace winner, he was there because he was a bad man but he asked Jesus before he died....there was no baptism or confirmation certificate or any other works done by him. Deathbed repentance?
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A really good friend of mine passed away in 2007, and since then, there hasn't a week gone by that I don't wonder what he's doing now.
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Some insist nobody goes to a heaven; and others insist nobody goes to a hell. Everyone has to be their own jury in these matters since both sides of the heaven and hell question are able to prove conclusively that theirs is correct. In other words: matters of hell and heaven fall into the "a Dingo ate my baby" category where some are convinced wild dogs killed the child, while others aren't so sure the mother didn't do it.
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It has always been somewhat of a curiosity to me how proponents of diametrically opposed religious ideologies so confidently attest that their own doctrine is the one that's "according to the Bible" and they usually are too because with a little imagination, it's not all that difficult to construe, allegorize, parable-ize, spiritualize, and/or metaphor-ize the Bible to make it mean whatever somebody wants it to mean. I've even seen people utilize Paul's teachings in the epistles to refute his master's teachings in the four gospels!
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A really good friend of mine passed away in 2007, and since then, there hasn't a week gone by that I don't wonder what he's doing now.
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Some insist nobody goes to a heaven; and others insist nobody goes to a hell. Everyone has to be their own jury in these matters since both sides of the heaven and hell question are able to prove conclusively that theirs is correct. In other words: matters of hell and heaven fall into the "a Dingo ate my baby" category where some are convinced wild dogs killed the child, while others aren't so sure the mother didn't do it.
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It has always been somewhat of a curiosity to me how proponents of diametrically opposed religious ideologies so confidently attest that their own doctrine is the one that's "according to the Bible" and they usually are too because with a little imagination, it's not all that difficult to construe, allegorize, parable-ize, spiritualize, and/or metaphor-ize the Bible to make it mean whatever somebody wants it to mean. I've even seen people utilize Paul's teachings in the epistles to refute his master's teachings in the four gospels!
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Elijah674
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Eccl. 12:13-14 talks of the judgement. It is not done as of yet. But the question asked by you(?) 'i' think was where is she now?? In the grave is the answer to that. According to Christ and His friend who He said SLEEPETH.. and then said that he was DEAD. And eventhen Christ went and brought him up by saying 'LAZARETH.. COME FORTH'!!
--Elijah
John 11
[11] These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
[12] Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
[13] Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
[14] Then said Jesus unto them [[plainly, Lazarus is dead]].
[15] And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
[16] Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
[17] Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
[18] Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
[19] And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
[20] Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
[21] Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
[22] But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
[23] Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
[24] Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
(even take not at that Inspiration!;))
[25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
[27] She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
[28] And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
[29] As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.
[30] Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him.
[31] The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there.
[32] Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
[33] When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
[34] And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
[35] Jesus wept.
[36] Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
[37] And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
[38] Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
[39] Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
[40] Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
[41] Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
[42] And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
[43] And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
[44] And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
Pizzaguy
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There is simply no way to know what, if any, relationship she had with the Lord.
But I DO see evidence in interviews of her that she knew the Lord.
But it is evidence only, a hint, a pointing towards a possibility - that's all.
We simply do not know.
We DO know that the criminal next to Jesus at the crucifixion went to heaven at the moment of death - because Jesus told him: "... this day, you will be with me in paradise".
But I DO see evidence in interviews of her that she knew the Lord.
But it is evidence only, a hint, a pointing towards a possibility - that's all.
We simply do not know.
We DO know that the criminal next to Jesus at the crucifixion went to heaven at the moment of death - because Jesus told him: "... this day, you will be with me in paradise".
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Luke 23
[39] And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
[40] But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
[41] And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
[42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise. (read on for the Christ documentation)
John 20
1 & verse 15-17
[1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
(after part of three day in the tomb)
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[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
[15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[17] Jesus saith unto her, [[[Touch me not; for I am not yet]]] ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
There is no doubt that the thief in heaven verse is flawed, for Christ did not even accend to heaven at His death! And mankind added all of the punctuation marks, comma's + chapter numbers & the like, which were NOT Inspired!
I removed the above comma in Luke 23:43 & placed it where it agrees with this rendering of Christ's [[WORD]] to Mary in verse 17.
So one can be sure that Whitney Houston is not in heaven!
--Elijah
[39] And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
[40] But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
[41] And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
[42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise. (read on for the Christ documentation)
John 20
1 & verse 15-17
[1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
(after part of three day in the tomb)
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[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
[15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[17] Jesus saith unto her, [[[Touch me not; for I am not yet]]] ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
There is no doubt that the thief in heaven verse is flawed, for Christ did not even accend to heaven at His death! And mankind added all of the punctuation marks, comma's + chapter numbers & the like, which were NOT Inspired!
I removed the above comma in Luke 23:43 & placed it where it agrees with this rendering of Christ's [[WORD]] to Mary in verse 17.
So one can be sure that Whitney Houston is not in heaven!
--Elijah
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Elijah674
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One thing is certain, when one takes their last breath, there is no more time given, right?
Eccl. 9
[4] For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
[6] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun....
[10] Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
It sure seems that this is clear.
--Elijah
Levi
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She is in eternity now that her life has been loosed from her mortal body.
Just where exactly she is in eternity you will find out on the day of judgment when you get there.
It is my belief that just as you go to sleep then wake up so to do you sleep then awake in resurrection, whether that be the first to eternal glory or the second to the day of judgement.
One thing is certain though, not one rock will be left unturned and not one deed shall remain in darkness but all things will be known about all men on this day, it will most likely be a very fascinating day when many things will start to make sense and many questions will be answered.
I used to fear that day before my transgression was commuted, now I know that for every wrong deed that a Christian has committed and that Christ has paid the penalty for, comes the uncovering of enormity in the burden he has taken, the praise and the Glory of the Lord will grow and He will be forever worshiped and adored by those who have put there faith and their trust in Him.
Where is Whitney? stay tuned you will find out. The Bible promises.
Just where exactly she is in eternity you will find out on the day of judgment when you get there.
It is my belief that just as you go to sleep then wake up so to do you sleep then awake in resurrection, whether that be the first to eternal glory or the second to the day of judgement.
One thing is certain though, not one rock will be left unturned and not one deed shall remain in darkness but all things will be known about all men on this day, it will most likely be a very fascinating day when many things will start to make sense and many questions will be answered.
I used to fear that day before my transgression was commuted, now I know that for every wrong deed that a Christian has committed and that Christ has paid the penalty for, comes the uncovering of enormity in the burden he has taken, the praise and the Glory of the Lord will grow and He will be forever worshiped and adored by those who have put there faith and their trust in Him.
Where is Whitney? stay tuned you will find out. The Bible promises.
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I can't help but wonder about Houston because she was always so gushy in giving Jesus credit for making her successful in music. But I have to ask: Where was her hero when she desperately needed his help in getting off depression and substance abuse? Call me skeptical but I just think there is something inconsistent with that picture.
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I can't help but wonder about Houston because she was always so gushy in giving Jesus credit for making her successful in music. But I have to ask: Where was her hero when she desperately needed his help in getting off depression and substance abuse? Call me skeptical but I just think there is something inconsistent with that picture.
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jasoncran
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legalists, sheesh try to actually read up on mercy and grace. god isnt obliged to save anyone at all.
in the day of the Lord's walk it was the pharisees who were considered righteous and yet what did the Lord say about them? white washed sepulchers. so if houston was a gospel singer and died you all and myself would saying with such surety that shes in heaven when she may not have ever came to christ.
in the day of the Lord's walk it was the pharisees who were considered righteous and yet what did the Lord say about them? white washed sepulchers. so if houston was a gospel singer and died you all and myself would saying with such surety that shes in heaven when she may not have ever came to christ.
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Elijah674
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Only this books verses of Eccl. 12 know of what will be her final fate. But the question asked was.. where is she at now, right? And about 'legalist?' Note Christ's [WORD] in Matt. 23:1-2 on down.. Christ the LEGALIST??
[13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and [[keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.]]
[14] For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, [[whether it be good, or whether it be evil]].
No one knows what the ACCURATE BOOKS of Houston life record until Christ comes again, (nor any one other than records in Heb. 11:13 +) otherwise it would not be done by FAITH ONLY!
Yet, her furneral will no doubt be tele/cast?? You might find the 'preachers' message teaching satan's age old lie of Gen. 3:4 that 'thou shalt not surely die'?????
So the TITLE QUESTION of where she (or anyone ealse) is, is Vital to God's [WORD] that 'Ye SHALL DIE'.
Matt.23
[1] Then spake Jesus to [[the multitude, and to his disciples]],
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
And the LEGAL conditions of SALVATION are found dumped in that verse??? [[NO WAY!]]
--Elijah