turnorburn
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Orion said:
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Where Storms and Floods Come From
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Well Harry may be out there as for me I'm going to....
Orion said:
Its Genesis chapter 5. If you add the dates you get from Adam to Noah the earth from creation to the flood is about 1656 years Then from Adam to Joseph is 2400 years. thats when the dates in the Bible stop and we can pick up what happened after that.
In fact if you add all known dates up, the whole earth is about 6000 years old. That is unless you don't trust God's word...
The whole chapter 5 in Genesis is strange, it has no real purpose. Why is it there? I think God wanted to let us know the truth about the world we live in.
I would trust "God's word" if it wasn't for the fact that I doubt that what men wrote, thousands of years ago, WERE "God's word", however I don't, so I am not bound to a 6,000 year old earth, when the obvious evidence shows much greater time having past here and within the universe.
For example, there is a nearby galaxy that we can see it on a tilt to where the light on the far side of that galaxy actually reached our planet roughly 100,000 years later than the light on the near side of that galaxy (the speed of light traveling in the vacuum of space).
As for the flood, there is unbroken Egyptian, Chinese (and a few other cultures) during the supposed time of the world wide flood, which make it impossible for anyone to believe it actually happened. The story is an analogy.
As for the OP, storms are nothing related to the "depravity or sanctity of man". They are a natural phenomona based upon our distance from the sun, spin of the earth, it's speed around the sun, and tilt of planet.
For example, there is a nearby galaxy that we can see it on a tilt to where the light on the far side of that galaxy actually reached our planet roughly 100,000 years later than the light on the near side of that galaxy (the speed of light traveling in the vacuum of space).
As for the flood, there is unbroken Egyptian, Chinese (and a few other cultures) during the supposed time of the world wide flood, which make it impossible for anyone to believe it actually happened. The story is an analogy.
As for the OP, storms are nothing related to the "depravity or sanctity of man". They are a natural phenomona based upon our distance from the sun, spin of the earth, it's speed around the sun, and tilt of planet.
Of course men wrote it, but it was inspired by God.
The mere fact that we have galaxies voids the BB theory. But there are many different theories as to why the cosmos are like they are I.E time dilation, the speed of light is not a constant etc. But if the universe was billions of years old why is it that we can only see half of the galaxie? should we not see all of it?
There is a debate going on right now on this very subject, and it has been a proven fact that Egyptians and the like exaggerate their dates.
At least we can agree on this.
johnmuise said:
When you take an account of something that happened, it is easy to look at an older story, which may be talking about a specific topic, and project onto the account qualities of the older story and claim "prophesy". For instance, "the virgin shall conceive". It actually translates as "the young woman". Hardly a supernatural occurance, but it is necessary to have that belief since the problem of Mary being impregnated by some human, instead of "the Holy Spirit", is something the church wouldn't be able to promote, thus having a "virgin birth", which is an older concept found in other deity mythology.
But I see this is the wrong thread to be discussing "prophecies".
SpiritualSon
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johnmuise said:
Are you one of those people who believes the earth was formed in six days, and that Adam and Eve, with Cain and Able were the first people. How did Cain meet his wife after killing Able? Where did she come from? These are questions no sunday school teacher wants to hear.
This world was created to represent the spiritual world,which is heaven and hell, and of man. There are animals that represent man's behavior. We are living in two worlds at the sametime. One world is the spiritual and the other is the natural.
Harry :fadein:
Are you kidding, i love it when this question comes up. And yes i do believe that God created everything, You cannot cherry pick and bend and twist the Bible to fit your interpretation of the world, belief it or don't. Revelation 3:16" Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth."
The following is the paraphrased essence of one of the most critical junctures in the most famous trial of the twentieth century. The scene is the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, and defense attorney Clarence Darrow had goaded prosecuting attorney Williams Jennings Bryan to take the stand in defense of the Bible.
Mr. Bryan,“Where did Cain find a wife?â€Â
“I don’t know.â€Â
“Could you repeat your answer Mr. Bryan? The entire nation is listening via radio broadcast and this is a pretty basic and simple question. Let me rephrase it. If, as the Bible claims, Adam and Eve were the first man and women, and no other people existed, who did their son Cain find to marry?â€Â
“I don’t know.â€Â
Darrow made Bryan appear foolish because he did not know scripture well enough to defend the most basic of questions. This trial marked a turning point in American education because, for the first time, the Bible was openly ridiculed. Bryan’s inability to answer simple and logical questions was one factor that allowed the American educational establishment to accept evolution hook, line, and sinker, while rejecting the historical creation account of the Bible.
Even today, most Christians do not know the answer to questions as basic as “Where did Cain find a wife?†The problem with not having reasonable answers to logical questions is that it brings all Christianity into question. Why should people believe in a God that they cannot see; if believers in God cannot answer life’s questions about our origin?
The reason that the answer to this question is not immediately apparent is that we have been trained to think like evolutionists. Evolution was founded on a principle of modern geology called ‘uniformitarianism.’ This is the belief that small changes over vast periods of time caused the massive geological changes (Darwin added biological changes.) In essence, we are trained to believe that every thing has always operated as we see it today. This is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches that mankind was created perfect, without flaws. It was only after man’s disobedience that imperfection entered God’s creation. Thus mankind, as originally created, would not have had the myriad of genetic mistakes now present in our DNA. Mutations do not lead to better and improved humans. These mistakes cause hundreds of debilitating illnesses and birth defects. The reason all of us are not born with enormous numbers of medical problems is because our genes are a combination of the characteristics of both our parents. Only when both parents have the same DNA mistake, do their children manifest the resulting genetic problem.
Furthermore, these genetic mistakes accumulate and increase with time. In other words, the information in our DNA gets more garbled, it never increases in clarity. Since mistakes are accumulating in our DNA, it is logical to assume that as we go back in time, there would be fewer mistakes. The reason brothers and sisters cannot marry today is because they are likely to have similar DNA errors which only lead to children with birth defects. However, there were no moral laws against children intermarrying until after the time of Moses. This was approximately 4000 years ago and at least 2000 years after the creation of mankind. Before that time, sibling marriage was quite common. The Bible states that Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters. Cain merely married his sister.
The reason we don’t realize this obvious answer is because we have been trained to believe things have always been the way they are today. The past and the present become far more understandable when we view it from a Biblical perspective. This viewpoint acknowledges that the past was very different from the present.
Next please :wink:
Yet another off topic post.
The "Cain married his sister" & the notion of "perfect DNA" is completely unsupported in any biblical text.
God never changes. God calls incest an abomination. Did he change his mind between Genesis and Leviticus? :-?
Of course, I believe that those "laws" within Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc were not condoned by God, but placed in God's mouth by the religious leaders in an attempt to control the people. Yeah, that's unsupported too, but seems more likely. And I don't see the Adam and Eve story as literal, so yeah, NEXT!
The "Cain married his sister" & the notion of "perfect DNA" is completely unsupported in any biblical text.
God never changes. God calls incest an abomination. Did he change his mind between Genesis and Leviticus? :-?
Of course, I believe that those "laws" within Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc were not condoned by God, but placed in God's mouth by the religious leaders in an attempt to control the people. Yeah, that's unsupported too, but seems more likely. And I don't see the Adam and Eve story as literal, so yeah, NEXT!
Yes indeed, but the thread author brought it up, I cannot help myself,lol
Well if the Adam/Eve story be true, who else would have Cain married?
Just because he did not say it in Genesis does not make it any less of abomination to him, who knows what kind of world we would be living in if the fall never happened. God was close to us then in the garden, he created eve, why not create another woman for Cain? But becuase of the fall all Cain had was his sister, and the flesh drawn to sin, accepted the marriage. IMHO.
There is so many laws that we as humans cannot follow, Jesus relived it, as long as we accept him.
Well if God used millions of years and evolution to get from microbe to man, then when the day comes i hope he has a good reason for screwing with our heads by telling moses to write Genesis. Also a reason why he used evolution/millions of years, why if he is all powerful could he have not created everything is 6 days? or one second?
We cannot just throw out Genesis, for to do so we would have to throw out many other books that tie in with Genesis. In fact by that notion we should throw out the whole Bible.
SpiritualSon
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And, behold, there was a great earthquake, signifies the state of the church with these altogether changed, and terror. "Earthquakes" signify changes of state in the church, because "the earth" signifies the church; the church is where the Holy Word is and also in every christian home, therefore the earth signifies the church,and because in the spiritual world, when the state of the church is perverted anywhere, and there is a change, there is an earthquake, and as this is a prelude to their destruction, they are in terror. For the earths in the spiritual world are in appearance like the earths in the natural world; but as the earths there, like all other things in that world, are from a spiritual origin, therefore changes occur according to the state of the church among the inhabitants, and when the state of the church is perverted, they quake and tremble, yea, sink down and are moved out of their place. That this was the case, when the Last Judgment was at hand and accomplished, may be seen in the small work on The Last Judgment. Hence it may appear what is meant by "earthquakes," "shakings," and "commotions" of the earth, in the following passages:
There shall be pestilences, famines, and earthquakes in diverse places (Matt. 24:7; Mark 13:8; Luke 21:11).
The floods came, and beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded upon a rock (Matt. 7:25, 27; Luke 6:48-49).
Here "floods or rivers" also stand for falsities in abundance, because the Lord as to the Divine Truth is signified by "the rock." By "floods" also temptations are signified, because temptations are inundations of falsities. These floods are cause by the false ideas about God. The church today make God as three Divine persons, and not as one
Harry :fadein:
There shall be pestilences, famines, and earthquakes in diverse places (Matt. 24:7; Mark 13:8; Luke 21:11).
The floods came, and beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded upon a rock (Matt. 7:25, 27; Luke 6:48-49).
Here "floods or rivers" also stand for falsities in abundance, because the Lord as to the Divine Truth is signified by "the rock." By "floods" also temptations are signified, because temptations are inundations of falsities. These floods are cause by the false ideas about God. The church today make God as three Divine persons, and not as one
Harry :fadein:
turnorburn
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Sounds like you are being taught by Arnold Murray with his 8 day creation as well as the Serpent Seed Doctrine. Have you seen his appearance on U-Tube
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2Xa3H0eQI
http://www.praize.com/cgi-bin/members/m ... 0164859413
SpiritualSon said:
SpiritualSon
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Human beings do not yet realize their continual influence upon natural events such as earth changes, climate, and weather. The floods are cause by the false ideas people have about God and the Word. A house being destroyed by a flood signifies man's soul fill of false ideas about God. Jesus said, if anyone builts their house on sand, with no bed rock to support it, it will fall when the strong winds and rains come. These flood plain have no bed rock. There use to be an inland sea there 70 million years ago. The ice in the ice age make the flood plains the way it is today. People can grow crops there. It is not a place for a house. Build all the houses you want, they will not stand up. Why not build a house the floots when the floods come. Some people never learn, they still built houses on dirt. They love building houses near rivers. The native americans in the nineteen century wonder why the whites build their houses too near a river. I know why, because they were too lazy to walk up a hill with water. Who wants to go down the hill for water and GO back up again with it.
Harry :fadein:
Harry :fadein: