preterist said:
She is called the great city
Rev 18:18 And they cried out, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying, What is like the great city?
Jerusalem is called the great city
And so is Babylon...
preterist said:
Rev 11:8 And their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Which only shows the Two witnesses will be slain in Jerusalem. The verse has nothing to do with Mystery Babylon.
preterist said:
She is guilty of shedding the blood of the Saints and Prophets
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all those who were slain on the earth.
So is Rome...
preterist said:
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with a great marveling.
Jerusalem /Old Covenant Jews shed the blood of the saints/prophets
The Church has killed more people in its name than the Jews EVER did.
preterist said:
1Ki 19:14 And he said, I have been very zealous for Jehovah, the God of Hosts, because the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, have thrown down Your altars, and have slain Your prophets with the sword. And I, I alone, am left. And they seek to take my life away.
Waaaaayyyyy out of context...
This verse is Elijah talking to talk about why he is hiding from Jezebel. In the next verse God tells Elijah to return out of the wilderness and direct him to find 7000 faithful in Isreal who have not bowed their knee to Baal.
And of course, Revelation 2:18-29 tells how the CHURCH of Thyatira is possessed by a Jezebel spirit.
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Mat 23:30 and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Therefore you are witnesses to yourselves, that you are the sons of those who killed the prophets;
Mat 23:35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
In these verses, Jesus is condemning the Pharisee's who have corrupted the law. He's not speaking to ALL Jews but a select few.
And again I'll point out, the Church is responsible for slaying more people than the Jews EVER did.
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1Th 2:14 For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also have suffered these things by your own countrymen, even as they also by the Jews;
1Th 2:15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, also driving us out and they do not please God and being contrary to all men,
Again, here Paul is speaking of the few Jews who were responsible for killing Christ, NOT all Jews in general.
And, of course, you DO realize Paul and all the Apostles WERE Jews, right?
preterist said:
Saints are warned to escape her
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that you may not be partakers of her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins joined together, even up to Heaven, and God has remembered her unjust deeds.
Saints are warned to escape Jerusalem
Luk 21:20 And when you see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that its destruction has come.
Luk 21:21 And let those in Judea flee to the mountains. And those in its midst, let them go out. And those in the open spaces, let them not go into her.
Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
The verses from Luke refer to the conquest of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Since Jesus did not return when Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans, Revelation 18 CAN't be refering to the same event.
preterist said:
She is adorned like a priest
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet. And she was gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.
Rev 18:16 and saying, Woe! Woe to the great city which was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!
And EXACTLY how does this refer specifically to Jerusaslem?? Thereare a myriad of cities that are more ornately adorned than Jerusalem (Rome or even New York for example)
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The Priests of Old Covenant Israel
Exo 28:5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and bleached linen.
Exo 28:6 And they shall make the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, scarlet, and fine twined bleached linen, skilled work.
Exo 28:7 It shall have the two shoulder-pieces of it joined at the two edges of it. And so it shall be joined together.
Exo 28:8 And the embroidered girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work of it: of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined bleached linen.
Exo 28:9 And you shall take two onyx stones, and you shall engrave on them the names of the sons of Israel.
Exo 28:10 Six of their names shall be on one stone, and six of the remaining names on the other stone, according to their birth.
Exo 28:11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, you shall engrave the two stones with the names of the sons of Israel. You shall make them to be set in settings of gold.
Oh, I see ...you are trying to say because the Old Testament Priests were ornately adorned they are an allegory for Jerusalem. '
Well, the Vatican has alot of loot stashed away and the Pope wears alot of shiny baubles . And many Protestant churchs pride themselves on their ornately adorned churchs as well.
Meanwhile, Jewish synagouges are among the most austere places of worship in the world.
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She is burned
Rev 17:16 and the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked. And they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
The punishment for Harlotry of a Priests daughter was burning under Old Covenant Law
Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by going whoring, she profanes her father. She shall be burned with fire.
Well, I'd have to concede this, as the Church helped the Nazis burn a lot of Jews.
preterist said:
Jerusalem is called a harlot:
Isa 1:21 How has the faithful city become a harlot? It was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it, but now murderers.
Jerusalem is called Sodom:
Isa 1:10 Hear the Word of Jehovah, rulers of Sodom; give ear to the Law of our God, people of Gomorrah.
Jer 23:14 I have also seen in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing; they commit adultery and walk in falsehood. They also strengthen to the hands of evildoers, so that none returns from his evil; they are all of them like Sodom to Me, and its inhabitants like Gomorrah.
Eze 16:46 And your older sister is Samaria, she and her daughters who dwell at your left hand. And your younger sister, who dwells at your right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.
Eze 16:47 Yet you have not walked according to their ways, nor done according to their hateful deeds; but, as if it were a very little thing, you were corrupted more than they were in all your ways.
Eze 16:48 As I live, says the Lord Jehovah, Sodom your sister, she nor her daughters, has not done as you have done, you and your daughters.
Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom; pride. Fullness of bread and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters. Nor did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50 And they were haughty and did abominable things before Me, so I turned away as I saw fit.
Eze 16:51 Nor has Samaria sinned as much as half your sins; but you have multiplied your abominations more than they, and have justified your sisters in all your abominations which you have done.
Eze 16:52 You also, who have judged your sisters, bear your own shame for your sins which you have committed more abominable than they. They are more righteous than you! Yes, blush and bear your shame, since you have justified your sisters.
And all these prophecies were refering to the Babylonian destruction of Jeusalem.
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