Bible Study WHICH COMMANDMENTS?

[JLB]

Thanks JLB, but I still have trouble accepting that proposition as well. You see, Adam was created a LIVING soul. Why did he need a source for life if he was created a living being?

The commandment, you shall not eat of the tree... was a source of life, if obeyed.

A living being is dependent upon another to sustain it's life.

A life giving Spirit, on the other hand is a source of live to sustain others.

And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45

so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam [is] for a life-giving spirit, 1 Corinthians 15:45 YLT



JLB

 

[Kidron]

"If you love me, and you keep my commandments, then you wont lose your salvation".

Is that in the NEW Testament??
= Not quite.
So, why do you think it is?....some of you?
Its because some of you are not Trusting in the finished work of Jesus on a Cross.
Its because some of you dont understand the Atonement.
its because some of you dont understand that its GOD who saves YOU and keeps you saved, and not you who saves you, or keeps you saved.
Its because some of you have been taught by a self righteous devil legalist, who is probably not saved, and you bought his or her theological lie.
Its because some of you went to the Book of Hebrews and got theologically turned upside down, and that same road to theological confusion and self righteousness can be found in James and Matthew 24-25.

 

[RevSRE]

There is so much "Theology" in the discussion and interpetation of this idea "commandments and obedience" it is hard to tell where to start. YOU CANNOT DISCUSS this is a few words. The tree has several important meanings Not the least its NAME the tree of the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Before he ate Adam and Eve knew the GOOD to obey and fellowship with God, after they knew what it ment to Disobey and loose fellowship with God. THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD RESTORE THE RELATION WAS GOD!!

I have a more detailed systematic discussion of "What and Why" of this subject but you have to care enoough to read it.
Any way "Adam left the Garden under the blood in right standing with GOD. read this and see how.
http://revsre.blogspot.com/2015/12/two-roads-out-of-time-and-into-eternity.html

 

[selihah]

https://carm.org/nehemia-gordon


Quotes from the article about Nehemia Gordon -

• He has even published several books on the subject of Jesus, who he openly rejects as Messiah.

• Fellow Karaites have accused Gordon of compromise because of his Christian affiliations, while many Christian leaders have noted Gordon's teachings among Christians explicitly subvert the biblical teachings on who Jesus is and accuse Gordon of seeking to covertly lead Christians away from the Christian faith.

Denying Jesus as the Christ or Messiah is the bible definition of anti-christ.

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22


JLB

If I'm not mistaken the term anti-Christ according to your new testament refers to someone who doesn't believe Jesus was a man. I believe he was a man therefore I am not anti Christ. Also the video was linked simply to present one mans very educated opinion about the pronunciation of the name of God. Take it or leave it, but there is absolutely no need for character assassination of someone Id wager you have never met.

 

[JLB]

If I'm not mistaken the term anti-Christ according to your new testament refers to someone who doesn't believe Jesus was a man. I believe he was a man therefore I am not anti Christ. Also the video was linked simply to present one mans very educated opinion about the pronunciation of the name of God. Take it or leave it, but there is absolutely no need for character assassination of someone Id wager you have never met.

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:22 NASB


Please read what this passage says: Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?



The Pharisee's were able to persuade many Jews, whom the Lord was wanting to save, during the first century, because they were "educated", and intimidated the unlearned people, teaching them that Jesus was not the messiah.

In addition, these unbelieving Jews were also turning people who did believe, back to Judaism, by convincing them that Jesus was not the Messiah, through their vast "education".

Both result in the same fate.

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4 NASB

• You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law:

JLB

 

[selihah]

Oh boy I've been severed Keep in mind that may mean something to you but it really means very little to me. Especially since 1: I'm not a Galatian and 2: I don't see keeping the law as a means of justification. Its a choice I have made between either doing the will of my Father or chasing after what is pleasing to me. I follow His will which causes me to adhere to a certain level behavior in this life and on certain days remember the things he has done.

Also considering the long history of people proclaiming to be 'the one' I am quite content to wait until all prophecy has been fulfilled which then and only then would most certainly identify messiah.

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!

 

[JLB]

Oh boy I've been severed Keep in mind that may mean something to you but it really means very little to me. Especially since 1: I'm not a Galatian and 2: I don't see keeping the law as a means of justification. Its a choice I have made between either doing the will of my Father or chasing after what is pleasing to me. I follow His will which causes me to adhere to a certain level behavior in this life and on certain days remember the things he has done.

Also considering the long history of people proclaiming to be 'the one' I am quite content to wait until all prophecy has been fulfilled which then and only then would most certainly identify messiah.

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!

Can you see those who deny and teach that Jesus is not the Christ, are enemies of the cross, if which their teachings should be rejected.

That Is the main point I was making about the the video from Jeremiah...


JLB

 

[JLB]

"If you love me, and you keep my commandments, then you wont lose your salvation".

Is that in the NEW Testament??
= Not quite.
So, why do you think it is?....some of you?
Its because some of you are not Trusting in the finished work of Jesus on a Cross.
Its because some of you dont understand the Atonement.
its because some of you dont understand that its GOD who saves YOU and keeps you saved, and not you who saves you, or keeps you saved.
Its because some of you have been taught by a self righteous devil legalist, who is probably not saved, and you bought his or her theological lie.
Its because some of you went to the Book of Hebrews and got theologically turned upside down, and that same road to theological confusion and self righteousness can be found in James and Matthew 24-25.

More opinion without any scripture.

Typical from those who promote lawlessness.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4



JLB

 

[selihah]

Can you see those who deny and teach that Jesus is not the Christ, are enemies of the cross, if which their teachings should be rejected.

That Is the main point I was making about the the video from Jeremiah...


JLB

An enemy is defined as one that is antagonistic to another; especially :one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent, something harmful or deadly.

The video was a brief teaching on the pronunciation of God's name and nothing more.

 

[JLB]

An enemy is defined as one that is antagonistic to another; especially :one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent, something harmful or deadly.

The video was a brief teaching on the pronunciation of God's name and nothing more.

By a person who rejects Jesus as Messiah.


JLB

 

[selihah]

We are under duty to study Torah in order to understand and obtain a knowledge of our faith. But to study it in order to attain worldly benefits is forbidden. Our teachers have said: 'to love the Yehoveh your God, to hearken to His voice, and to cleave to Him'. This means that one should not say, 'I will read Scripture that I may be called a scholar.' Or I will study, that I may be called Rabbi or that I should study, to be an Elder and sit in the assembly of elders; but learn out of love, and honor will come in the end." and "Do good for the sake of their Maker, and speak of the words of torah for their own sake. Make not of them a crown wherewith to magnify yourself, nor a spade to dig with". And "'Fortunate is the man that fears the Yehoveh, that delights greatly in His commandments' (Ps. 112:1), R. Eleazar expounds thus: 'In His commandments' but not in the reward of His commandments. This is just what we have learnt. 'He used to say, Be not like servants who serve the master on the condition of receiving a reward or justification; but be like servants who serve the master without the condition of receiving a reward".

Apparently it is only you and the Galations that continue to believe and even insist God's torah (instruction) was written as a means of reward or justification. That letter to the Galations was for you, not me.

edited reba

 

[th1b.taylor]

Oh boy I've been severed Keep in mind that may mean something to you but it really means very little to me. Especially since 1: I'm not a Galatian and 2: I don't see keeping the law as a means of justification. Its a choice I have made between either doing the will of my Father or chasing after what is pleasing to me. I follow His will which causes me to adhere to a certain level behavior in this life and on certain days remember the things he has done.

Also considering the long history of people proclaiming to be 'the one' I am quite content to wait until all prophecy has been fulfilled which then and only then would most certainly identify messiah.

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist!

Your issue of concern is that you have ignored and/or failed to, properly study the connections of the Bible, the Old Testament and the Commentaries, the New Testament. You have answered correctly when you ark yourself not to be saved bu that is a crime against God.

 

[Pegasus]

Great teaching series here: https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/2209

From that link you can reach the remaining 3 parts.

Summary: MacArthur addresses fulfillment with regards to the Law broken down to (1) ceremonial/purity laws (2) Judicial law (Israel as nation civil laws) and (3) Moral laws.

Extract example: Jesus confirmed the moral law throughout the gospel accounts and thus the apostles did as well in their epistles.

The civil or judicial laws (e.g. stoning for adultery; property disputes and such) were not given to Christ's church as a 'nation' (Yet the Greatest commandment of Love God and Love neighbor provides us the guidance to deal justly with each other as brethren and with non-believers as well).

Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws atonement, peace offerings, and purity laws (however, affirmed in His teachings and the teachings of the apostles we are a living sacrifice and we pray, worship, sing psalms/songs and live holy lives unto Him).

 

[reba]

We are under duty to study Torah in order to understand and obtain a knowledge of our faith. But to study it in order to attain worldly benefits is forbidden. Our teachers have said: 'to love the Yehoveh your God, to hearken to His voice, and to cleave to Him'. This means that one should not say, 'I will read Scripture that I may be called a scholar.' Or I will study, that I may be called Rabbi or that I should study, to be an Elder and sit in the assembly of elders; but learn out of love, and honor will come in the end." and "Do good for the sake of their Maker, and speak of the words of torah for their own sake. Make not of them a crown wherewith to magnify yourself, nor a spade to dig with". And "'Fortunate is the man that fears the Yehoveh, that delights greatly in His commandments' (Ps. 112:1), R. Eleazar expounds thus: 'In His commandments' but not in the reward of His commandments. This is just what we have learnt. 'He used to say, Be not like servants who serve the master on the condition of receiving a reward or justification; but be like servants who serve the master without the condition of receiving a reward".

Apparently it is only you and the Galations that continue to believe and even insist God's torah (instruction) was written as a means of reward or justification. That letter to the Galations was for you, not me.

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[Brock]

That commandment is love imo

 

[JohnDB]

That commandment is love imo

Yes,
You are correct.
The new commandments are all about heart condition and not so much about physical acts any longer. Of course a right heart condition will cause acts of righteousness and lack of sins. But who can have a perfect attitude other than Jesus?
We need a Savior more than ever. Our plight is desperate and hopeless without him.

 

[Brock]

Yes,
You are correct.
The new commandments are all about heart condition and not so much about physical acts any longer. Of course a right heart condition will cause acts of righteousness and lack of sins. But who can have a perfect attitude other than Jesus?
We need a Savior more than ever. Our plight is desperate and hopeless without him.

Amen

 

[reba]

We need a Savior more than ever. Our plight is desperate and hopeless without him.

AMEN