Who Accepts Whom?

[Adullam]

Hi everyone. I haven't been here in awhile. With your permission I'd like to get started again with a perplexing question. I'm not trying to be controversial here...just get at the truth of the matter!

OK here goes!

How did we go from God deciding to accept (or not) our sacrifices in the OT....to us deciding to accept (or not) God's sacrifice in the NT?

 

[stovebolts]

Hello Friend, good to see you again

I'm not quiet getting the jist of your question. Can you elaborate a bit more please?

Thanks!

 

[Bonairos]

How did we go from God deciding to accept (or not) our sacrifices in the OT....to us deciding to accept (or not) God's sacrifice in the NT?

To answer that I think we need to begin further back.

"How did we get from God creating us in His image to us deciding to accept (or not) God’s sacrifice in the NT."

But then again, it’s that's just me.



Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[Adullam]

I'll rephrase the question in longer form...

OK In the OT we have Cain an Abel each making a sacrifice to God. One was accepted and the other not. (I won't say which one was accepted ;))

But in the NT God makes a sacrifice on behalf of all men! So...here it is...Is it only up to us to accept this payment for our sins..without God's approval?

In other words has the decision ENTIRELY shifted to us to accept and say...I APPROVE OF THIS sacrifice for myself and am now saved!

Comments?

 

[Jake]

I'll rephrase the question in longer form...

OK In the OT we have Cain an Abel each making a sacrifice to God. One was accepted and the other not. (I won't say which one was accepted ;))

But in the NT God makes a sacrifice on behalf of all men! So...here it is...Is it only up to us to accept this payment for our sins..without God's approval?

In other words has the decision ENTIRELY shifted to us to accept and say...I APPROVE OF THIS sacrifice for myself and am now saved!

Comments?

God accepts us, but we can reject Him.

 

[Bonairos]

In other words has the decision ENTIRELY shifted to us to accept and say...I APPROVE OF THIS sacrifice for myself and am now saved!

Yes, the decision to accept or not (what is given) is our choice (both has consequences).

There would be no reason to choose if there were no options.


Having said that, “I APPROVE of this sacrifice†implies one (believing he/she is an authority on such matters) can also disapprove of what is offered in lieu of something else; perhaps better suited to the individual.

For me, to “approve†(or disapprove) of God’s sacrifice is above my pay grade. It will only cause me to deceive myself into thinking that I might know better than He.

Therefore, I could only choose to accept (or not) Who was sacrificed on my behalf.

Having been offered, and in turn making that choice, I am forever grateful to my Savior - Jesus, the Lamb of God Who took away my sin in this world.



Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!

 

[Adullam]

God accepts us, but we can reject Him.

Can God no longer reject a man after he accepts God's sacrifice?

 

[Sam21]

I'll rephrase the question in longer form...

OK In the OT we have Cain an Abel each making a sacrifice to God. One was accepted and the other not. (I won't say which one was accepted ;))

But in the NT God makes a sacrifice on behalf of all men! So...here it is...Is it only up to us to accept this payment for our sins..without God's approval?

In other words has the decision ENTIRELY shifted to us to accept and say...I APPROVE OF THIS sacrifice for myself and am now saved!

Comments?

Actually God still accepts or rejects us depending whether or not we accept His Son in the correct way,God reads the heart, if the heart and motive is not correct then we do not get saved regardless of what words we use or water baptism...God still accepts or rejects us.

 

[WIP]

Does God ever reject us? I would suggest that we perhaps choose to reject Him but not the other way around. Jesus paid the atonement and nothing can take us away from God.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Rom 8:38-39 KJV

 

[Vic C.]

Jesus has an answer for the title of the thread:

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

:D

 

[theLords]

Does God ever reject us? I would suggest that we perhaps choose to reject Him but not the other way around. Jesus paid the atonement and nothing can take us away from God.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Rom 8:38-39 KJV

:amen

"God is willing that no one should perish"

 

[Vic C.]

Does God ever reject us? I would suggest that we perhaps choose to reject Him but not the other way around. Jesus paid the atonement and nothing can take us away from God.

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Rom 8:38-39 KJV

That has got to me one of my favorite verses!

 

[Jake]

Can God no longer reject a man after he accepts God's sacrifice?

He chooses us, so if we choose Him, He has already chosen us likewise, If He doesn't chose us, then we won't chose Him.

If someone accepts the sacrifice, then rejects it, then God will reject him.

 

[Vic C.]

He chooses us, so if we choose Him, He has already chosen us likewise, If He doesn't chose us, then we won't chose Him.

If someone accepts the sacrifice, then rejects it, then God will reject him.

Hmm, I don't know Rockie. It appears your second statement negates the first. But lets look at this from a Biblical perspective.

in reference to your quote by Adullam, where are the examples of God rejecting someone after they accept the "sacrifice?" (that's a question for all)

 

[Jake]

Hmm, I don't know Rockie. It appears your second statement negates the first. But lets look at this from a Biblical perspective.

in reference to your quote by Adullam, where are the examples of God rejecting someone after they accept the "sacrifice?" (that's a question for all)

It doesn't negate it if you believe a person can lose their salvation as in Hebrews 6:4, that is what I was referring to.

What about Romans 9:13....."Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Who did the rejecting?

 

[Sinthesis]

The sacrifices are not the same, nor are they for the same purpose. Nothing you, Cain or Able could ever sacrifice, up to and including your very life, could ever save your soul. Only the Son's sacrifice is acceptable to the Father as a blood offering. However, now that the Son has conquered sin, He is willing to cover you with His sacrifice provided you trust in Him.

Of course God can still accept your tithes be they cash, goats or grain, yet they won't get you to Heaven.

 

[Nicky]

How did we go from God deciding to accept (or not) our sacrifices in the OT....to us deciding to accept (or not) God's sacrifice in the NT?

We don't accept Gods sacrifice because God did not make a sacrifice to us. Jesus sacrificed himself to God on our behalf so that through His sacrifice we could be washed clean by the blood.

We went from a high priest making sacrifices for the people to Jesus being the ultimate High Priest who sacrificed himself on our behalf...hense why we no longer have to make sacrifices but accept Jesus as Lord over our lives.

 

[stovebolts]

Hmmm Addullum, for me your question almost contradicts itself, but hey, that's just me

The Lord has always desired mercy, not sacrifice, yet we all know that without blood, there is no forgiveness for sins. Also, in OT terms of sacrifice, the burnt offering was for the forgiveness of sins, but the fellowship offering (which usually involved a vow) which was placed on top of the burnt offering was to be enjoyed in communion with community and the LORD, yet scripture states that Jesus was both an offering and a sacrifice. (Eph 5:2)

I am reminded of the parable in Luke 7 that contends with lostness by way of example the one who loved much, and he who loved little as I reflect on Deuteronomy 15 that deals with the cancellation of debt, and as I do so, I can't very well grasp the idea that we were ever the approvers of the NT sacrifice.

And that kind of in a round about way brings us back to Cain now doesn't it ;)

 

[xounstaer]

not directed at one

i shoose to leave it on to reply, wow.

:D

lets see what u asked no i no and know.
open a new topic about it..

let me ask a question? what if he remind you. would you let it go again?or over again?(somewhat')

i dont accept the sacrifise of jesus christ of nazareth. or so
and if you need food go eat!
smelled good , right?

futher no(i wanted to de explanation~marks)

here's a good quote.

"the ashes flew but the memory/ghost remain(ed/s)"
whatever..
i am , could i be talking non-individual here?
or the.
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as i say i heavily disagree(d) over any form of sacrifise not meant as food for the day and water


sacrifise?
sry i forgot..

did you get me right?
(i thought dont mistake me for isaak)
(jozef is better )

yeah well i have no more to say and am getting hungry, maybe**

 

[Adullam]

Many good answers, thanks!



I particularly like what Nicky said here...

"We don't accept Gods sacrifice because God did not make a sacrifice to us. Jesus sacrificed himself to God on our behalf so that through His sacrifice we could be washed clean by the blood."

(I don't seem to have access to any smileys or colours and such so my posts will appear very plain)