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Who are the elect? and are you one?
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jgredline
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Now lets take a look at a familiar parable
Luke 8:4-8 NKJV
4 And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5 "A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8 But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold." When He had said these things He cried, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
In this parable Jesus is speaking of 4 differant types of people.
Of the four Kinds, who are the elect?
Now lets take a look at a familiar parable
Luke 8:4-8 NKJV
4 And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5 "A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8 But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold." When He had said these things He cried, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
In this parable Jesus is speaking of 4 differant types of people.
Of the four Kinds, who are the elect?
lovely
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Hi Javier,
I am part of the elect, the chosen people.
Psalm 33:12-15
12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.
I am also chosen as one of the elect individually.
2 Thessalonians 2:13-17
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
The Lord bless all of you.
I am part of the elect, the chosen people.
Psalm 33:12-15
12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.
I am also chosen as one of the elect individually.
2 Thessalonians 2:13-17
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
The Lord bless all of you.
T
thessalonian
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Likely these thought they were for a time. So thinking you are does not make it so.
jgredline
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Amen Mutz
8:4–8 The parable of the sower describes the kingdom in its present aspect. It teaches us that the kingdom of God includes profession as well as reality. And it forms the basis for a very solemn warning as to how we hear the word of God. It is no light thing to hear the Scriptures preached and taught. Those who hear are made more responsible than they ever were before. If they shrug off the message, or consider obedience an optional matter, they do so to their own loss. But if they hear and obey, they put themselves in a position to receive more light from God. The parable was spoken here to a great multitude, then explained to the disciples.
The Lord ended the parable with the words, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!†In other words, when you hear the word of God, be careful what kind of reception you give to it. The seed must fall into good ground in order to become fruitful.
8:9, 10 When His disciples inquired concerning the meaning of this parable, the Lord Jesus explained that the mysteries of the kingdom of God would not be understood by everyone. Because the disciples were willing to trust and obey, they would be given the ability to understand the teachings of Christ. But Jesus purposely presented many truths in the form of parables so that those who had no real love for Him would not understand; so that seeing, they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. In one sense, they saw and heard. For instance, they knew that Jesus had talked about a sower and his seed. But they did not understand the deeper meaning of the illustration. They did not realize that their hearts were hard, impenitent, and thorny soil, and that they did not benefit from the word which they had heard.
8:11–15 Only to the disciples did the Lord expound the parable. They had already accepted the teaching they had received, and so they would be given more. Jesus explained that the seed is the word of God, i.e. the truth of Godâ€â€His own teaching.
The wayside hearers heard the word but only in a shallow, superficial way. It remained on the surface of their lives. This made it easy for the devil (the birds of the air) to snatch it away.
The rock-hearers heard the word too, but they did not let the word break them. They remained unrepentant. No encouragement (moisture) was given to the seed, so it withered away and died. Perhaps they made a bright profession of faith at first, but there was no reality. There seemed to be life, but there was no root beneath the surface. When trouble came, they abandoned their Christian profession.
The thorny gound hearers seemed to get along nicely for a while, but they proved that they were not genuine believers by their failure to go on steadfastly. The cares, riches, and pleasures of life took control, and the word was stifled and smothered.
The good ground represented true believers whose hearts were noble and good. They not only received the word but allowed it to mold their lives. They were teachable and obedient, developing true Christian character and producing fruit for God.
Darby summarized the message of this section as follows:
If, on hearing, I possess that which I hear, not merely have joy in receiving it, but possess it as my own, then it becomes a part of the substance of my soul, and I shall get more; for when the truth has become a substance in my soul, there is a capacity for receiving more
So in this parable only the 4th soil is part of the elect.
8:4–8 The parable of the sower describes the kingdom in its present aspect. It teaches us that the kingdom of God includes profession as well as reality. And it forms the basis for a very solemn warning as to how we hear the word of God. It is no light thing to hear the Scriptures preached and taught. Those who hear are made more responsible than they ever were before. If they shrug off the message, or consider obedience an optional matter, they do so to their own loss. But if they hear and obey, they put themselves in a position to receive more light from God. The parable was spoken here to a great multitude, then explained to the disciples.
The Lord ended the parable with the words, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!†In other words, when you hear the word of God, be careful what kind of reception you give to it. The seed must fall into good ground in order to become fruitful.
8:9, 10 When His disciples inquired concerning the meaning of this parable, the Lord Jesus explained that the mysteries of the kingdom of God would not be understood by everyone. Because the disciples were willing to trust and obey, they would be given the ability to understand the teachings of Christ. But Jesus purposely presented many truths in the form of parables so that those who had no real love for Him would not understand; so that seeing, they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. In one sense, they saw and heard. For instance, they knew that Jesus had talked about a sower and his seed. But they did not understand the deeper meaning of the illustration. They did not realize that their hearts were hard, impenitent, and thorny soil, and that they did not benefit from the word which they had heard.
8:11–15 Only to the disciples did the Lord expound the parable. They had already accepted the teaching they had received, and so they would be given more. Jesus explained that the seed is the word of God, i.e. the truth of Godâ€â€His own teaching.
The wayside hearers heard the word but only in a shallow, superficial way. It remained on the surface of their lives. This made it easy for the devil (the birds of the air) to snatch it away.
The rock-hearers heard the word too, but they did not let the word break them. They remained unrepentant. No encouragement (moisture) was given to the seed, so it withered away and died. Perhaps they made a bright profession of faith at first, but there was no reality. There seemed to be life, but there was no root beneath the surface. When trouble came, they abandoned their Christian profession.
The thorny gound hearers seemed to get along nicely for a while, but they proved that they were not genuine believers by their failure to go on steadfastly. The cares, riches, and pleasures of life took control, and the word was stifled and smothered.
The good ground represented true believers whose hearts were noble and good. They not only received the word but allowed it to mold their lives. They were teachable and obedient, developing true Christian character and producing fruit for God.
Darby summarized the message of this section as follows:
If, on hearing, I possess that which I hear, not merely have joy in receiving it, but possess it as my own, then it becomes a part of the substance of my soul, and I shall get more; for when the truth has become a substance in my soul, there is a capacity for receiving more
So in this parable only the 4th soil is part of the elect.
S
scorpia
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The elect today is simply a true believer of the Lord Jesus Christ. He (the elect today) is under the direct tutelage of his only Good Pastor and Teacher, be it about God, about the bible, and about all things, the Lord God Jesus Christ in a way as the Lord did it to the apostles and the prophets of the biblical time. His (the elect today) overseer and keeper is none other but the Lord God Jesus Christ himself. The elect today is not under a man pastor/s of any denominational group/s that are now scattered on the faces of the globe.jgredline said:
In short, the elect today is totally under the direct tutelage of God and not by a man pastor only.
Regarding the second question, are you one, it is already moot and academic in the sense that if you are sure that the Lord God himself is your Good Pastor and Teacher in your life and that you are not under any denominational group of men, then the Lord himself will tell you (and you will hear it from the Lord) that you are one among His flock. It is no hallucination or just postulation/s.
jgredline
Member
Mutz
Actually, in that passage in Revelation I tend to believe that it is speaking of a particular church. Certainly I am open to discussion on this. I know many take it to believe that the verse speaks of back sliden christians who Lost thier salvation. personally I don't believe anyone can loose thier salvation. If your one of the elect, you are one of the elect. If someone has lost there salvation, they never had it to beging with. Here is where we can't under estimate Gods radical grace. We simply can't understand it. I know people right now that are in a back slidden condition, yet I have seen and been with them, when they have produced much good friut. I have no doughts that if they were to pass away, they would end up on the mercy seat in heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ.
I take great comfort in the verse that says '' 2 tim 2:8-13 8 Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel, 9 for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word of God is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
Blessings mutz.
I enjoy my conversations with you.
Actually, in that passage in Revelation I tend to believe that it is speaking of a particular church. Certainly I am open to discussion on this. I know many take it to believe that the verse speaks of back sliden christians who Lost thier salvation. personally I don't believe anyone can loose thier salvation. If your one of the elect, you are one of the elect. If someone has lost there salvation, they never had it to beging with. Here is where we can't under estimate Gods radical grace. We simply can't understand it. I know people right now that are in a back slidden condition, yet I have seen and been with them, when they have produced much good friut. I have no doughts that if they were to pass away, they would end up on the mercy seat in heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ.
I take great comfort in the verse that says '' 2 tim 2:8-13 8 Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel, 9 for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word of God is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
Blessings mutz.
I enjoy my conversations with you.
X
xicali
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jgredline said:
Blessed jgredline,
This is my take on your question:
"...by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified". Hebrews 10:14
This offering took place so it is in effect, this perfection that God sees in the elect is to see us as thus:
God put off the [my] body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ [His death]. Colossians 2:11
So that He could see the fruit of the Spirit in me. Galatians 5:22
My flesh says it isn't so but my Spirit says you're the image of His son.
"Whom [The elect] he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29
I do consider my self among the elect because I am blessed with all spiritual blessings. Ephesians 1:3
God is the Father of Spirits consider yourself one, perfect and loving without spot and blemish, as he sees us.
I
Imagican
Guest
As becomes evident by just being here on this forum, there are MANY degrees of understanding. Some that profess to be 'Christian' have little while others have much. Due to the context in which 'elect' is offered, I believe that it refers to the VERY few that God has offered THE MOST understanding to. There has ALWAYS been a remnant to 'carry on'. Sometimes, (we don't really KNOW the answer to this), maybe as few as two or three at a given time. Christ apointed twelve and NOT all of these were gifted EQUALLY.
I have encountered a 'few' people in my time, that seem to be 'gifted' beyond even the understanding of most. These usually possess patience to such an extent that many would pass right by them without even a thought as to their 'gifts'. Humble, unpretentious, simple, yet kind, offering UNCONDITIONAL love to ALL that they come in contact with. NOT pushing their understanding, but offering it subtly and without any sense of superiority or condemnation what so ever. But through ALL that they ARE, they ARE different and in such a way that I have felt that perhaps a couple of these that I have met, may indeed be, elect.
The rest of us are hard-headed Saints at best. Perhaps not even to be counted among these, but more like 'babes' in The Word. Having only the most rudimentary of understanding concerning the nature of God and His will for mankind.
Me a member of the 'elect'? Hardly. I am a simple servant HOPING to obtain just a 'glimpse' of the 'truth' in oder to pass it along to others. Able to 'create'? Certainly not. Barely able to even comprehend what has been offered by those that WERE capable of puting the 'truth' into words.
When the Bible offers that EVEN the very elect will stand the chance of being 'led' astray, it is refering to one/s much stronger than I. One/s with an understanding that not only allows them to 'see' but to 'walk' as well.
MEC
I have encountered a 'few' people in my time, that seem to be 'gifted' beyond even the understanding of most. These usually possess patience to such an extent that many would pass right by them without even a thought as to their 'gifts'. Humble, unpretentious, simple, yet kind, offering UNCONDITIONAL love to ALL that they come in contact with. NOT pushing their understanding, but offering it subtly and without any sense of superiority or condemnation what so ever. But through ALL that they ARE, they ARE different and in such a way that I have felt that perhaps a couple of these that I have met, may indeed be, elect.
The rest of us are hard-headed Saints at best. Perhaps not even to be counted among these, but more like 'babes' in The Word. Having only the most rudimentary of understanding concerning the nature of God and His will for mankind.
Me a member of the 'elect'? Hardly. I am a simple servant HOPING to obtain just a 'glimpse' of the 'truth' in oder to pass it along to others. Able to 'create'? Certainly not. Barely able to even comprehend what has been offered by those that WERE capable of puting the 'truth' into words.
When the Bible offers that EVEN the very elect will stand the chance of being 'led' astray, it is refering to one/s much stronger than I. One/s with an understanding that not only allows them to 'see' but to 'walk' as well.
MEC