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Who are the elect? and are you one?

Mec
When you said this.

When the Bible offers that EVEN the very elect will stand the chance of being 'led' astray, it is refering to one/s much stronger than I. One/s with an understanding that not only allows them to 'see' but to 'walk' as well.
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Alot of what you said made sense. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it.
I have been following these catholic debates and staying out of them, but I have to ask myself. How in the world can the RCC and CC not see how mislead they are? ''Are these some of the elect that have been lead astray?''
 
Atonement said:
mutzrein said:
Surely not MEC. How could YOU be led astray? :wink:
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Meaning what exactly by that statement??
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MEC in his humility does not want to exalt himself to being 'elect'.

Scripture indicates that if it were possible even the elect could be led astray. Now since MEC does not consider he is 'elect' he is leaving himself open to the possibility of being led astray is he not?

And to cap it all off! MEC says some things that I don't agree with. So he MUST have been led astray . . . :wink: :-?
 
Atonement,

Mutz and I are buddies. We rib each other without effect other than humor. We, so far, have never offered the other anything but respect, (with a chunk of humor). We are certainly able to do this without offense.

Mutz,

I wish that I could believe that EVERYTHING I 'think' I know is EXACTLY what God would HAVE me understsand. I know that this will probably NEVER be the case though. I KNOW that I AM capable of being led astray. I KNOW that I live MUCH of my life 'in the world'. Never been able to 'give it up'. And so long as this is the case, I will always be subseptable to the understanding of the world.

I don't offer these things lightly. Many that don't know me may assume that I am a completely confused sinner that doesn't even know God. Oh no, my friends, I simply make EVERY effort possible to understand and ACCEPT the 'truth'. To do THIS is to START with oneself.

MEC
 
jgredline said:
Mec
When you said this.

When the Bible offers that EVEN the very elect will stand the chance of being 'led' astray, it is refering to one/s much stronger than I. One/s with an understanding that not only allows them to 'see' but to 'walk' as well.
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Alot of what you said made sense. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it.
I have been following these catholic debates and staying out of them, but I have to ask myself. How in the world can the RCC and CC not see how mislead they are? ''Are these some of the elect that have been lead astray?''
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Please allow me to offer this:

Very few, IF ANY, 'denominationalists' will likely be 'the elect'. They are 'forced' to follow 'man-made' tradtions and through these will often be 'blinded' by them. One MUST 'let go' of this world and accept God completely and utterly, (in my opinion), to be one of the elect. Not an easy thing to do in the present time in which we live.

I did not intentionally ignore the answer to your question. Here it is. I do NOT believe that the RCC or the CC have EVER been THE ELECT. They believe so, but I find that they are more steeped in man-made tradition than any other denomination on the planet throughout history. Their god, to an extent, (imho), IS thier tradition and their churches. Insisting that those that do NOT accept 'their' church as The Church are LOST. Does this not go to show exactly how important they believe their 'man-made' teaching is above the simple acceptance of Christ and God?

Not trying to start another Catholic bashing thread. Just stating what I believe. Not trying to convince any others either. Do your own research and make up your own minds. Just offering it as I see it and attempting to answer your question to the best of my ability.

MEC
 
The elect again...to my understanding are a remnant of Israel and Gentiles.
These Jews and Gentiles are in the "Churches and synagogues" all over the world.

There are some in the Catholic Church, some in the Jehovah witness', some Pentecostal and so forth. They will come out until the time "appointed by the father".

The church at this time is under apostasy that is why we are under so many brands of Christianity today.

Once the church [the elect] sees and understands The Gospel of Grace the elect will apostate from the brand of Christianity they are practicing. Than the risen christ will come and be our King for He is Kings of Kings.
 
The Elect .... are all those people who put their Faith in Jesus.
It really is that simple.... is it really so hard to believe that is all God is asking...... what a Graciouse and loving God we have..... how lucky are we... the Elect!

Grace and Peace to you all
 
Spirit driven wrote: The Elect .... are all those people who put their Faith in Jesus.
It really is that simple.... is it really so hard to believe that is all God is asking...... what a Graciouse and loving God we have..... how lucky are we... the Elect!

May I ask, what does it mean to put your faith in Jesus? Does it mean to believe he lived a perfect life and died for your sins? Does it mean you can trust in him and believe what he says to do will bring you eternal life? Does it mean you actually believe him enough to obey him? How can we call him Lord and not do what he commands? :roll:

Is it really so hard to believe that he wants us to be free from sin so that we can live forever? That by following him and doing his commands we are safely in him and are therefore part of the elect? What a Gracious and loving God we have..... how lucky are we to be free from sin to follow him, the elect one who died as our sacrifice! :angel:
 
Who are the elect?

They are the Christians who decided to trust God and Jesus, obey Jesus' commands and loyal to Him until end.

It is very clear in Revelation about the seven churches.

peace :D
 
I've just lost @ 10 minutes' work here before I could post it

Try again...

Elect here means chosen - so on what basis?

This reminds me of when I was Christian Union President of Liverpool Poly (in '69-'71 if any of you out there remember us showing all of the 'Fact & Faith' series of films made by Chicago Moody Bible Institute science faculty)

I asked God how to reconcile Calvinists & Armenians & He immediately said, "It is God's sovereign will that man has free will"

Like the verse that brought me to saving faith in Christ - "whoever wants to can be saved"

& as I had to tell Pete Price on http://www.radiocity.co.uk 3/4 times, @ 1.35-1.50am Sun night, "Of course I'm a sinner: saved by the sheer grace of God thru faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice" - as in John 3 & Romans 2, Galatians 2:15-16 & Ephesians 2:8-9

I was rung & put on air, bot @ 10.15pm & 1.35am

2nd time, a caller was first to return to Tony Robinson's 2-hours Sat night TV docu @ Revelation

He said, "if there's anyone out there who knows solid evidence that we are nearing the end of days, do ring up & tell us, as I'm fascinated!"

I told the producer I'd already been on, but had just talked about how the Matthew 24 birthpains of all kinds of natural, socail & spiritual disasters were coming more fequently & more intensely to bring on the instant airlift Rapture rescue of all who love Jesus, before the worst time ever starts - what Tony R had so foolishly mocked - as in 2 Timothy 3 - to keep folk from finding saving faith in Christ

Both he & http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool Roger Philips used the technique of asking the same question @ 4/5 times over, with no gap for reply, as a way of shouting down my ansers - inc using the volume control on the 10-seconds delay loop all radio stations have

Roger did that to blast over this sit'e url twicwe

Only when I began one late reply with http://www.ChristianForums.net did I take him by surprise & get it in clearly

This is part of the prophesied 'spirit of antichrist' - 2 Thessalonians 2

As also prophesied @ this climax generation of history, "Evil folk will get worse & worse...reject the truth & believe the lie..will no longer endure sound teaching, but will instead gather to them teachers who say only what they want to hear"

This pick-&-mix generation forgets Galatians 6:7

Back to topic - God chooses to save anyone who will repent, ask Christ to forgive all sins & ask Him into their heart as Saviour & Lord - as in John 3 & Romans 3

Both broadcasts kept online 7 days

Must go

Ian
 
Isaiah mentions the elect 4 times. (KJV) Who is Isaiah referring to in those passages? Here they are:

Isaiah 42:1

Isaiah 45:4

Isaiah 65:9

Isaiah 65:22
 
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Isiah 42:1 is referring to Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

Isiah 45:4 is referring to Cyrus who is responsible Chosen by God to perform the task of settibg Israel from bondage so that God could complete his plan to use Israel to bring about the salvation of the human race.

Isiah 65:9 This is referring to a remant of true believers who would return to the land and carry on his redemption mission in the world.

Isiah 65:22 is referring to a future Jerusalem in the millenial Kingdom.



May God bless, golfjack
 
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golfjack said:
Isiah 42:1 is referring to Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

Agreed.

Isiah 45:4 is referring to Cyrus who is responsible Chosen by God to perform the task of settibg Israel from bondage so that God could complete his plan to use Israel to bring about the salvation of the human race.

I agree the passage is in reference to Cyrus, but the question is, who is the elect is this verse?

Isiah 65:9 This is referring to a remant of true believers who would return to the land and carry on his redemption mission in the world.

Agreed.

Isiah 65:22 is referring to a future Jerusalem in the millenial Kingdom.

I too believe this is a millenial verse, vs. 25 tells us of a Holy mountain, but who is the elect in vs. 22?



May God bless, golfjack
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Isiah 45:4 to me is saying that God is the God of Israel. Therefore, I would say the elect in this verse is refering to the Jews of Israel.


Isiah 65:22, I believe the elect is referring to the saved Isralities of the Tribulation Period.



May God bless, golfjack
 
Spirit driven wrote: Greetings.... put aside your fear of serving correctly.....from my home site [/S]

The elect serve God “correctly:â€Â
Colossians 3:12 -13 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.


Spirit driven wrote in his home site: The perfect love of God is redeeming, forgiving, and reconciling love. He provides all that is necessary and more for the good of the one loved. John wrote, “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love (1 John 4:18, RSV).
I am not suggesting you pray more, tithe more, or even read your Bible more. The “action†I am talking about is both trusting in what your Savior has done and giving up on what you can do. All of your attempts to make and keep yourself right with God have brought you nothing but fear, condemnation, and misery. Why? Because you have failed. You have failed and now it is time to do the wisest thing you could ever do. Rest all of your confidence in your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ...plus nothing. Peace of mind, security, assurance, joy, and thanksgiving will then rule your heart and your days of fear will end! [/S]

You quote 1 John 4:18 but you fail to keep it in context. John says that he who fears has failed to perfect the love that he is required to maintain in order to remain in the Spirit of Christ. Read the rest of the chapter.

If you have failed to keep yourself right with God, don’t give up, but instead repent and return to God. Revelation 2:5
Remember therefore from whence you are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent.
The first works are obedience and love for God and love and forgiveness for one another. If you don’t forgive others as you have been forgiven, you will not have the peace of God because he will not forgive you either. Read the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18: 23-35.

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The elect serve God “correctly
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Of what need does God have to be served by Human hands ?

Such boasting on the part of men I find surprising indeed, God has no need of us at all, scripture even tells us that all the inhabitants of the Earth count as nothing....... we however are in great need of him......and his mercy.


Grace and Peace to you
 
Spirit driven wrote: Of what need does God have to be served by Human hands ?
Such boasting on the part of men I find surprising indeed, God has no need of us at all, scripture even tells us that all the inhabitants of the Earth count as nothing....... we however are in great need of him......and his mercy.[/S]

Really? You think that us serving God is “surprising boasting?†I find it quite biblical. I find it is a great thing that he, who needs nothing, would accept any deeds or work from us at all and I find it a small thing for God to ask us to obey and serve him with gladness and joy all the days of our lives and I find it a proper and ‘correct’ thing to then say “I am but an unprofitable servant, undeserving of such love and mercy.â€Â

Luke 17:10
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

And yet, amazing grace, he not only accepts our best (which in reality mean less than nothing but puny gifts and meager efforts compared to his great wealth, power and glory) but he rewards us with eternal life and credits us with the righteousness of his Son, and adopts us as children.

Do a word search of some of these words (‘servant, serve God Lord’)for a better idea of what God wants from his elect. I could post dozens here but these should suffice:
Deuteronomy 13:4
Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Isaiah 65:9
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;



What I find surprising is that any in such need of what only God can do for us would even dare to think they don’t have to do anything of his commands because he mercifully provided a sacrifice for their sins. What presumption to take his very commands and toss them aside and say it is a gift that needs no payment so I don‘t have to obey to be saved. Scary. :o

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unred typo said:
What I find surprising is that any in such need of what only God can do for us would even dare to think they don’t have to do anything of his commands because he mercifully provided a sacrifice for their sins. What presumption to take his very commands and toss them aside and say it is a gift that needs no payment so I don‘t have to obey to be saved. Scary. :o

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I agree wholeheartedly. It seems that most of us are studying the Bible to look for loopholes to be lazy, IMO.

peace
 
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