Bible Study Who Is A True Jew?

[jasoncran]

some have a different take on that vision of the valley with the dry bones, as that states these are my army of isreal. when the bones come to life.

since when is the bible call the gentiles isrealis?

the gentiles are still called that even in revalation.

the gentile nations eating of the tree of life for the healing of nations.

 

[Bazz1040]

Who Is A True Jew? part 1 to 5

God's Promise to Abram/Abraham​

Genesis 12:1 (KJV) ​

Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: ​

God's Promise to Bless the Nations through Abram​

Genesis 22:18 (KJV) ​

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. ​

God Reaffirms His Promise in Isaac​

Genesis 17:21 (KJV) ​

But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. ​

Jacob Became A New Man​

Genesis 32:28 (KJV) ​

And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.​

God Reaffirms His Promise In Jacob whose Name Was Changed to Israel​

Genesis 35:12 (KJV) ​

And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. ​

The Royal Descendants​

Genesis 29:35 (KJV) ​

And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing. ​

Matthew 1:2-16 (KJV) ​

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. ​

The Kingly Line​

Genesis 49:10 (KJV) ​

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. ​

Shiloh: Shiyloh, shee-lo'; from Hebrew (shalah); tranquil; Shiloh, an epithet of the

Sceptre:​

Hebrew Word: ‏שֵׁבֶט‎​

Transliteration: shēbeṭ​

Phonetic Pronunciation:shay'-bet​

Root: from an unused root probably meaning to branch off​

Cross Reference: TWOT - 2314a​

Part of Speech: n m​

Vine's Words: Tribe​

from an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, i.e. (literal) a stick (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) or (figurative) a clan :- × correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.​

Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.​

Genesis 49 verse 10 is an interesting prophecy, the rod/branch or stick will not depart from Judah until Shiloh (Messiah) comes. A rod symbolizes rulership or kingship, the right to right to rule or kingship will depart from Judah when the Messiah comes. It is also interesting that Jesus told the Jews that because they rejected Him the kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to a nation that would produce fruits. Matthew 21:43
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Continues to part 2​

 

[Bazz1040]

Part 2

Salvation came through the Jews​

John 4:22 (KJV) ​

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. ​

For you to be saved you have to become a spiritual Jew; even a natural born Jew must become a spiritual Jew in order to be saved. It also means that the Messiah came from the Jewish Nation, also you will see as you read God will use spiritual Jews to bring salvation to the entire world, so salvation will come through them as well.​

Galatians 3:16 (KJV) ​

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. ​

Jesus' Family/A True Jew​

Matthew 12:48-50 (KJV) ​

But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. ​

Matthew 25:40 (KJV) ​

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ​

Just to Explain Mathew 25 and Verse 40 I Will Divert a Little From the Topic​

Jesus is not speaking to those who will be glorified at His second coming, they have by that time are ruling with Him in glory. It is they that are ruling with Him (who were glorified at His return) that He call's His brethren. He is saying to those He is about to receive into the kingdom/glorified, these here my brethren; what you did for them, (before they were glorified) you did it to me. In other words, Jesus will look favorably on sinners who were compassionate to Christians in their time of distress.​

Luke 16:9 (KJV) ​

And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.​

Luke 16:9(New International Version)​

I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.​

During the Great Tribulation some of God's people will suffer persecution, and no doubt will be helped by some non-Christians, in the same way some of the Jews were helped by non-Jews during the Holocaust. However, this is not just limited to the Great Tribulation it's applicable to any period.​

A True Descendant of Abraham​

John 8:39 (KJV) ​

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. ​

Matthew 7:21 (KJV) ​

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. ​

Romans 9:6-8 (KJV) ​

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ​

The children of the promise are those who are Abraham's seed through faith. The true children of God are those who do God's will, just as Abraham did.
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Continues to part 3

 

[Bazz1040]

Part 3

God Can Raise Up Children of Abraham From Stones​

Matthew 3:9 (KJV) ​

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. ​

Luke 3:8 (KJV) ​

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. ​

The Kingdom of God is given to those That Will Do What A True Jew Should Do​

Matthew 21:43 (KJV) ​

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. ​

The Kingdom of God was set before the descendant of Abraham​

Mark 10:31 (KJV)​

31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.​

The kingdom of God was in a sense set like an opened door before the Jews, but since they rejected it, it was passed on to the gentiles. So the gentiles who were the last have become the first, and the Jews who were the first have become the last to enter the kingdom of God. Of course, this does not mean that this was an after thought, that the gentiles would enter the kingdom of God before the Jews, it just simply means that the Jews had it right open in front of them, but they did not recognize it.​

The Spiritual Jew​

Romans 2:29 (KJV) ​

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.​

God Has Made Those Who Were Not Jews To Become Spiritual Jews​

Acts 13:46 (KJV) ​

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. ​

Matthew 21:43 (KJV) ​

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. ​

Nation: ethnos,eth'-nos; probably from Greek (etho); a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan) :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

A rod of iron​

Revelation 2:27 (KJV) ​

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.​

Rod:​

Greek Word: ῥάβδος​

Transliteration: rhabdos​

Phonetic Pronunciation:hrab'-dos​

Root: from the base of <G4474>​

Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:966,982​

Part of Speech: n f​

Vine's Words: Rod, Staff, Staves​

from the base of <G4474> (rhapizo); a stick or wand (as a cudgel, a cane or a baton of royalty) :- rod, sceptre, staff.​

Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.​

Here is that word again; sceptre/ rod or stick…..those who rule, will rule with a rod of iron. This of course is not talking about a literal iron, nor does it mean that one will rule in an oppressive manor, but that we will not allow any deviation from God’s standard. This also has to do with kingship or the right to rule over others.​

The Gentiles have been grafted into the royal family line​

Romans 11:24 (KJV) ​

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? ​

The True Children of Abraham Will Sit Down In the Kingdom of God​

Luke 13:28-29 (KJV) ​

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. ​

Continues to part 4​

 

[Bazz1040]

Part 4

Descendants Of Abraham Will Be Kings​

Genesis 17:6 (KJV) ​

And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. ​

This verse is not just talking about the physical Nation of Israel; it is also, and more so, talking about those who are children of Abraham by faith. The true children of Abraham will sit down in the Kingdom of God.​

But Galatians 3:28 Says There Are No Jews?​

Galatians 3:28 (KJV) ​

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.​

Galatians 3: and verse 28 is not a contradiction of some of what Jesus said prier to when the above verse was said. The issue was is God a respecter of persons/Jews, simply because of who they are? It was hard for some Jews to accept the fact that God wanted all people to be saved, including the Gentiles. ​

God Will Show the World Who Are Truly the Children of Abraham; God will make people to come and worship before our feet​

Rev. 3:9 (KJV) ​

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. ​

Those who say they are Jews, and are not; this is talking about false Christians or Jews (those who say they are God's people, but are not). When one considers themselves to be a Christian, it is the same as saying; "I am a true Jew". Remember the first Christians were Jews.​

The Apostle Paul Knew Who were Really Jews​

Galatians 3:7 (KJV) ​

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. ​

Galatians 3:29 (KJV) ​

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. ​

God Has Not Forsaken Those Who Are Israelites By Natural Birth​

Romans 11:24 (KJV) ​

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?​

Romans 11:26 (KJV) ​

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: ​

"All Israel shall be saved"; this does not mean that every one in Israel will be saved, it means that all twelve tribes of Israel will be saved.​

The Jews and the House of Israel were the first to be invited into the kingdom of God, but they as a whole rejected it, so they will be the last to enter it….the Gentiles will or has enter the kingdom of God before them, though they were the last to be invited.​

Luke 13:30 (KJV) ​

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.​

Continues to part 5​

 

[Bazz1040]

Part 5

The Laws of God will be placed in them because God will give them His Holy Spirit. God's nature will be in them, thereby giving them the ability to obey God. The very nature of God in us makes it possible for human beings to do the will of God. It is what will make the glorified children of God possessors of God's own divine nature, making them as God is. We were created to fully and completely be like God, rulers and creators over all things with God as our Father and older Brother.​

Hosea 3:5 (KJV) ​

Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days. ​

Even the Gentile Nations Will Become the People of God​

Psalm 86:9 (KJV) ​

All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. ​

Isaiah 19:25 (ASV) ​

25 for that Jehovah of hosts hath blessed them, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.​

Micah 4:1-4 (KJV) ​

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. ​

And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it. ​

Micah 4:6-7 (KJV) ​

In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. ​

God Will Open the Graves of the Children of Israel Who Died With Out Hope​

Ezekiel 37:11-14 (KJV) ​

Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord. ​

God Will Do the Same Even for the Gentile Nations​

Rev. 20:5 (KJV) ​

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. ​

As we can see from scripture a true Jew or a descendant of Abraham is not one born of natural birth, but one that is born of God. A true descendant of Abraham is one that is obedient to God's word in the same way Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was…a true Jew is a spiritual Jew.​

 

[stovebolts]

Hello Bazz1040,
I locked your other thread that you had deleted your posts and moved Jason's post into this one. However, post's are organized by date stamp, hence Jason's post is at the top of this thread.

 

[Bazz1040]

Hello Bazz1040,
I locked your other thread that you had deleted your posts and moved Jason's post into this one. However, post's are organized by date stamp, hence Jason's post is at the top of this thread.

I'm ok with that.

 

[Bazz1040]

some have a different take on that vision of the valley with the dry bones, as that states these are my army of isreal. when the bones come to life.

since when is the bible call the gentiles isrealis?

the gentiles are still called that even in revalation.

the gentile nations eating of the tree of life for the healing of nations.

What you are talking about is a slightly different topic than my OP but I will address it all the same.

The scripture in Ezekiel 37 does not say it is the army of Israel, though it does say an exceedingly great army. If you pay attention to verse 11 you will see that it says those are the whole House of Israel. In other words, it is talking about everyone and not just soldiers in Israel.

Ezekiel 37:11 (KJV)
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.





As for gentile Israel I won't comment on that since I did not use that term.

 

[nmwings]

The term "Jew" is a slang word used to identify a person from the tribe of Judah. Yet it's "definition" has broadened to encompass all 12 tribes. I know several "Jews" who know they come from Benjamin.

As we all know, there are 10 "lost tribes" out there somewhere, and nobody knows for sure who and where they are. But here's an eye-opener for you:

My mother was raised a Catholic, but left it for the Penecostal church, in which I was raised. About 11 years ago, we both left the church to follow the Messianic faith (meaning Torah-observant believers - just like the 1st century believers.) ANYHOO, we participated in a DNA study 2 years ago, and MUCH TO OUR SURPRIZE, we discovered that we were Ashkenazi Hebrews...... with an extra-special little chromosome found ONLY within the genetic code of those belonging to the tribe of Levi!! HOLY SMOLY BATMAN!! :shocked! I am a daughter of Aaron!

I was floored! But then I started wondering who ELSE might be "Jewish," and do you know what I found? We've all seen different Hispanic spellings of last names, right? Hernandes VS. Hernandez, Chaves VS. Chavez, Flores VS. Florez, etc, etc. During the Spanish Crusade and Inquisition, some of the "Jews" who were forced into Catholicism by the "pain of death", wanted to protect their heritage so they would not forget who they were. Thus they used the acronym E.Z. (Eretz = Hebrew for "land") somewhere in their family name! Now I'm not saying that ALL of them are "Jews" who end their last name with "EZ." But a LOT of them are..... AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!

Which makes me laugh at the skin-heads and KKK's and everyone else who hate Jews. Cuz chances are......... they ARE Jews!!

 

[Bazz1040]

The term "Jew" is a slang word used to identify a person from the tribe of Judah. Yet it's "definition" has broadened to encompass all 12 tribes. I know several "Jews" who know they come from Benjamin.

As we all know, there are 10 "lost tribes" out there somewhere, and nobody knows for sure who and where they are. But here's an eye-opener for you:

My mother was raised a Catholic, but left it for the Penecostal church, in which I was raised. About 11 years ago, we both left the church to follow the Messianic faith (meaning Torah-observant believers - just like the 1st century believers.) ANYHOO, we participated in a DNA study 2 years ago, and MUCH TO OUR SURPRIZE, we discovered that we were Ashkenazi Hebrews...... with an extra-special little chromosome found ONLY within the genetic code of those belonging to the tribe of Levi!! HOLY SMOLY BATMAN!! :shocked! I am a daughter of Aaron!

I was floored! But then I started wondering who ELSE might be "Jewish," and do you know what I found? We've all seen different Hispanic spellings of last names, right? Hernandes VS. Hernandez, Chaves VS. Chavez, Flores VS. Florez, etc, etc. During the Spanish Crusade and Inquisition, some of the "Jews" who were forced into Catholicism by the "pain of death", wanted to protect their heritage so they would not forget who they were. Thus they used the acronym E.Z. (Eretz = Hebrew for "land") somewhere in their family name! Now I'm not saying that ALL of them are "Jews" who end their last name with "EZ." But a LOT of them are..... AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!

Which makes me laugh at the skin-heads and KKK's and everyone else who hate Jews. Cuz chances are......... they ARE Jews!!

Interesting! I once heard on the news some years ago about a man in Florida who was one of the leaders of the KKK, it turned out that he was a Jew. Part of my family, from my mother’s side is Jewish. But the point that I am making in my OP is that in the eyes of God a true Jew is a spiritual Jew. Even a Jew by natural birth must become a spiritual Jew in order inherit all things. And I agree with you that most people confuse Israel with the Jews.

 

[nmwings]

Interesting! I once heard on the news some years ago about a man in Florida who was one of the leaders of the KKK, it turned out that he was a Jew. Part of my family, from my mother’s side is Jewish. But the point that I am making in my OP is that in the eyes of God a true Jew is a spiritual Jew. Even a Jew by natural birth must become a spiritual Jew in order inherit all things. And I agree with you that most people confuse Israel with the Jews.

That is where the passage "and all Israel shall be saved," comes in. Will every son of Jacob (Israel) be saved? No. Will there be any "foreign-born" saved? Yes! But God WILL assign EVERY foreign-born believer to one of the 12 tribes. Note that when New Jerusalem comes down to earth from Heaven, there are 12 gates in which to enter. If you are not attached to a tribe, you're NOT getting in! (Hence, my signature.) And note in Numbers, "One law (Torah) shall there be to him that is native-born, and to the stranger that sojourns among you."

 

[Bazz1040]

That is where the passage "and all Israel shall be saved," comes in. Will every son of Jacob (Israel) be saved? No. Will there be any "foreign-born" saved? Yes! But God WILL assign EVERY foreign-born believer to one of the 12 tribes. Note that when New Jerusalem comes down to earth from Heaven, there are 12 gates in which to enter. If you are not attached to a tribe, you're NOT getting in! (Hence, my signature.) And note in Numbers, "One law (Torah) shall there be to him that is native-born, and to the stranger that sojourns among you."

Well I would not go that far and say that. It is Jesus that one will be attached to and if one is not, then that person will not be there, Israelite or gentile.

 

[jasoncran]

bazz if your mother is jewish, then you are as well accordingly to orthodoxy.

and romans 2:28 is correct. one is a jew inwardly.not going to argue that. but
what of the times of the gentiles and the mentioning in the millenium isreal has a role and the city of jersusalem.

the egyptians and i think it says the gentile nations come there to worship.

and then theres the verses in hoshea that says that the lord will provoke the jew to jealousy by the gentile.

i do think the jews in the genetic sense that convert to christ and are fulfilled will have a role to play in the end times.

 

[Bazz1040]

bazz if your mother is jewish, then you are as well accordingly to orthodoxy.

It's not my mother as such but someone from my mother's side. I don't remember if it was her father or mother’s side of her family that is. What I know is that they migrated from Germany to Jamaica. Many Jews have migrated to Jamaica and assimilated into the population. If you are interested just Google, "Jamaican Jews" and click on video.

and romans 2:28 is correct. one is a jew inwardly.not going to argue that. but
what of the times of the gentiles and the mentioning in the millenium isreal has a role and the city of jersusalem.



the egyptians and i think it says the gentile nations come there to worship.

It would be helpful if you provided a scripture or two.

and then theres the verses in hoshea that says that the lord will provoke the jew to jealousy by the gentile.

What that means is that most of the gentiles will enter the kingdom of God before they do. Jesus Himself said, "They shall come from the east and the west and sit down in the kingdom with Abraham, but they will be outside.

 

[jasoncran]

i will look, i will start in the morning with the book of isiah.

and lets also look at the abrahamic covenant(this one is the promise of the land,not the law its self though it includes circumision.)

 

[Bazz1040]

i will look, i will start in the morning with the book of isiah.

and lets also look at the abrahamic covenant(this one is the promise of the land,not the law its self though it includes circumision.)

Under the New Covenant the promise or inheritance goes way beyond land. Under the New Covenant one inherits all things. This includes salvation, the entire Earth, the universe and everything that exist.

 

[watchman F]

Romans 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Bazz1040]

Romans 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

That scripture is in my OP. I am always amazed that Christians exalt the Jews so much, yet neither Jesus nor the apostles did. Some Christians say that the Jews are God’s chosen people, yet in the New Testament it plainly shows that God’s chosen people are those that are filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[jasoncran]

bieng a jew i dont, and actually some of the tendencies sl has toward isreal i once had.

the other extreme is this. we forget or are ignorant concerning the promises of God to isreal alone and not the gentile.

i get excited knowing that isreal is here and that was prophecied, it means our redemption draweth nigh!

now then on the verses provoking the jews to jeolously through the gentiles.

related verse in hoshea 1:10,11.

romans 11:25-32.

it is a good read and i want us too look at the the times of the gentiles.

i havent look at that since i was a jw, so i want to see what the bible actually says not the jw dogma that remains.