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Who is Jesus?

Johan

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Brothers and sisters


Who is Jesus?

Jesus is God. He is the Life of God manifested.


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


And God sent Him to be our Life. He is the Life in the place of ours.


Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


So God is calling now to accept our new “divine nature”.


2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


So we need to grow up in God’s Life . . .which is Jesus given to us.


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


We are not human beings anymore but godly beings.


Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


Yep . . .Jesus was God and as He was thinking and speaking about himself so should we think and speak about ourselves because we have His Life now and are living His Life.


Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


We should live “by the faith of the Son of God”. And He thought of Himself as god . . .and so we need to do. If we do not then we are not true children of God. Every child knows his father and look at him as his father to be able to be the same. If the lion cub does not look at his father he will not be the same. If the mouse is not looking at his father he will not be the same. We looked at our fathers and we are human beings.

And now we should do the same with our heavenly Father.


2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


Only this way will we truly be children. And only this way can we grow. There is nothing wrong with our birth.

God did a perfect work.


Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:


1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


So the lack in anybody . . .if there is . . .is just for one reason . . .lack of knowledge and thus the accompanying faith.


Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

And:

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.


One can only belief what one knows.


So we need to accept our death in Christ and our new Life in Christ and live by the power of the Spirit in the Life of God.


Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Love Johan
 
We are not human beings anymore but godly beings.
No, we are still human beings.

Yep . . .Jesus was God and as He was thinking and speaking about himself so should we think and speak about ourselves because we have His Life now and are living His Life.
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We should live “by the faith of the Son of God”. And He thought of Himself as god . . .and so we need to do. If we do not then we are not true children of God.
Jesus thought of himself as God because he was God; he is the God-man. We are not God and so we should not think of ourselves as God.

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (ESV)

Rom 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. (ESV)

We are children of God through adoption and children because God has made us his children. It is not on the basis of believing we are gods.
 
I think sometimes people misunderstand metaphoric language.

There are many things that we are likened to, all with a metaphoric language. 99% of the time it is so we can understand a certain aspect of our relationship to God. We should not take them as literal, but understand their individual meanings.

Some of them are;
We are Christ "body"
We are Christ "bride"
We are Christ "sheep"
We are God's "house"
We are God's "children"
We are "branches"
We are "salt"
We are "priests"

These are all true, but only within the aspect of how it relates to God and Christ. Metaphors can be very tricky for some to grasp.
 
No, we are still human beings.
Sure we are . . .that we know. But we died. He lives. His Life is now ours. We live now in Him.


Jesus thought of himself as God because he was God; he is the God-man. We are not God and so we should not think of ourselves as God.

Sure we are not God . . . Jesus is God. But Jesus is the Life we live now after we died on the cross.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


We are children of God through adoption and children because God has made us his children.
We are children on the basis of Jesus because God made Him our Life. What He is, is what we are.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

It is not on the basis of believing we are gods.

It is on the basis of what He believes because we have His mind now.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Love Johan
 
Sure we are . . .that we know. But we died. He lives. His Life is now ours. We live now in Him.
What does any of that have to do with what you stated--"We are not human beings anymore"--and my response--"No, we are still human beings"? You seem to be contradicting your initial assertion by saying, "Sure we are."

Sure we are not God . . . Jesus is God. But Jesus is the Life we live now after we died on the cross.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
How does that address my statement: "We are not God and so we should not think of ourselves as God"?

We are children on the basis of Jesus because God made Him our Life. What He is, is what we are.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
I don't understand exactly what you are trying to say with that verse, but it appears as though you are taking it out of context.

It is on the basis of what He believes because we have His mind now.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
No. As I stated, "We are children of God through adoption and children because God has made us his children. It is not on the basis of believing we are gods." It has absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus believes or us having the mind of Christ (whatever that means).
 
There are a number of men named "Jesus" in the Bible; I assume you mean Jesus of Nazereth.
He was born through miraculous birth through the virgin Mary. He was the ancestor of King David, and the rightful heir to Israel's throne through Joseph, Mary's husband, the royal lineage, and through Mary, the legal lineage.
He came to his own, but his people received him not.
But to all who received him, who believed in his name,
he gave authority to become children of God.
Ref: John 1: 1-12.
 
What does any of that have to do with what you stated--"We are not human beings anymore"--and my response--"No, we are still human beings"? You seem to be contradicting your initial assertion by saying, "Sure we are."

If we look at ourselves we are human beings. But we died as human beings. It is now God that lives. This is Life through faith.
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) But of course . . .if you do not believe this you are still human being.

How does that address my statement: "We are not God and so we should not think of ourselves as God"?

Sure but God changes our minds to become that of Christ . . .and then we think differently.

I don't understand exactly what you are trying to say with that verse, but it appears as though you are taking it out of context.

Yep . . the human mind is unable to fathom God.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

No. As I stated, "We are children of God through adoption and children because God has made us his children. It is not on the basis of believing we are gods." It has absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus believes or us having the mind of Christ (whatever that means).

We are children through birth. A birth from God. And no species gave birth to a lesser species. So we have the mind of Christ. We are born into His Life.

Love Johan
 
There are a number of men named "Jesus" in the Bible; I assume you mean Jesus of Nazereth.
He was born through miraculous birth through the virgin Mary. He was the ancestor of King David, and the rightful heir to Israel's throne through Joseph, Mary's husband, the royal lineage, and through Mary, the legal lineage.
He came to his own, but his people received him not.
But to all who received him, who believed in his name,
he gave authority to become children of God.
Ref: John 1: 1-12.

Yep . . .that's the one.

Love Johan
 
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven
 
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven

Good quote brother. We can know nothing of Jesus except His Father revealing it to us. And we get more revelation now since the Spirit came.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So . . what we know of Jesus is much much more than what He knew at that stage.

Love Johan
 
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