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Who is the antichrist??.
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18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:18-22 NKJV
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
1 John 4:1-3 NKJV
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7 NKJV
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:18-22 NKJV
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
1 John 4:1-3 NKJV
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:7 NKJV
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I believe WIP has the correct answer.
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This is only my understanding of the last antichrist.
The Bible never defines just one antichrist, but says even now there are many and in the end of days will be the last time, 1 John 2:18. We have to remember that Satan is a created spirit and needs to work through others in order to build his literal kingdom here on earth as the war in heaven between Michael and Satan has not happened yet, Rev 12:7-12. This will be a Luciferian system of political, economic, military, environmental, educational and false religious power that will sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north which is Jerusalem on the same Temple mount of God where the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition to take its seat. This power of the beast out of the sea gives power to the beast out of the earth who will control the government of every nation and even now works its iniquity in the world, Rev 13.
The beast that will rise up out of the sea, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15, gives power to the beast that comes up out of the earth who is the last antichrist/ false prophet/son of perdition. His works is the abomination that causes desolation that Jesus forewarned us of in Matthew 24:15 and Daniel who explained this last of the seven remaining nations that still exist today and has always persecuted God's people from the time of Babylon up to present day unto the end of days, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13; Revelation 17:15. This will be the time of the greatest falling away from truth as this last antichrist, through lying signs and wonders will promise peace and safety and then sudden destruction comes upon them who bow down and takes the mark of this beast, 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6.
Jesus said those who will endure in the faith of Christ unto the end the same shall be saved, Matthew 24:13. Satan said, I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High, Isaiah 14:12-15. The last antichrist, (as there have been many and even now are in the world), is the son of perdition being the false prophet that Satan works through as he will sit on the sides of the North declaring himself as being God and will cause many to bow down to him and take his mark as many will believe the lying signs and wonders he will show, Rev 13. Again, nowhere in scripture does it capitalize antichrist, but mans misinterpretations capitalize it and makes it one Antichrist that we are to watch for before Christ returns.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The Bible never defines just one antichrist, but says even now there are many and in the end of days will be the last time, 1 John 2:18. We have to remember that Satan is a created spirit and needs to work through others in order to build his literal kingdom here on earth as the war in heaven between Michael and Satan has not happened yet, Rev 12:7-12. This will be a Luciferian system of political, economic, military, environmental, educational and false religious power that will sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north which is Jerusalem on the same Temple mount of God where the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition to take its seat. This power of the beast out of the sea gives power to the beast out of the earth who will control the government of every nation and even now works its iniquity in the world, Rev 13.
The beast that will rise up out of the sea, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15, gives power to the beast that comes up out of the earth who is the last antichrist/ false prophet/son of perdition. His works is the abomination that causes desolation that Jesus forewarned us of in Matthew 24:15 and Daniel who explained this last of the seven remaining nations that still exist today and has always persecuted God's people from the time of Babylon up to present day unto the end of days, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13; Revelation 17:15. This will be the time of the greatest falling away from truth as this last antichrist, through lying signs and wonders will promise peace and safety and then sudden destruction comes upon them who bow down and takes the mark of this beast, 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6.
Jesus said those who will endure in the faith of Christ unto the end the same shall be saved, Matthew 24:13. Satan said, I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High, Isaiah 14:12-15. The last antichrist, (as there have been many and even now are in the world), is the son of perdition being the false prophet that Satan works through as he will sit on the sides of the North declaring himself as being God and will cause many to bow down to him and take his mark as many will believe the lying signs and wonders he will show, Rev 13. Again, nowhere in scripture does it capitalize antichrist, but mans misinterpretations capitalize it and makes it one Antichrist that we are to watch for before Christ returns.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Antichrist means instead of christ. I never said it was in revelation. Everyone has good points. I was pointing at second thessalonians chapter 2. The son of perdition. It clearly states he will go into temple of God claiming to be God. Revelation chapter 6:13. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of mighty wind. Chapter 12:7. And their was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. 12:9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deceive the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. I documented and connected that satan is coming 6th trump, 6th seal, 6th vial to earth. Satan is role player, he plays different roles. Satan is coming with fallen angels as false messiah. GREEK = PSEUDO CHRISTOS = SPURIOUS MESSIAH, FALSE CHRIST. And DIAKONOE= TEACHER, ELECT, CLOVEN TOUNGUE, IN GREEK. Were all Christian people. I told the truth and gave it back in the Greek language. If no one agrees, it's fine.
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Can you post the scripture that says "the last Antichrist" please?
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I already did 1 John 2:18.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
The last antichrist will be the son of perdition/false prophet. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12.
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We are also talking about 2Thessalonians 2:1-12, but further explained in Rev 13 as the son of perdition is antichrist being either a man or a system, as it is very much debated that Satan works through. You have to remember that Satan is spirit, not flesh and blood and works through what and who he can. The son of perdition will come to fruition during the time of the seventh trumpet sounding and will reign in Jerusalem for 3 1/2. This is the beast out of the earth found in Rev 13 that the beast out of the sea gives his power to that will promise a false peace, provision and safety after the sounding of the first six trumpets of God's mighty wrath that will leave people without much resources for shelter and food.
I understand that at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 The Greek noun apostasia, used here, comes from a verb that literally means “to stand away from.” The noun has the sense of “desertion; abandonment; rebellion.” So, it denotes more than a mere falling away because of spiritual weakness or doubt. (Acts 21:21.) In classical Greek, the noun was used to refer to political defection or rebellion. So in this context, Paul uses the word “apostasy” with regard to a religious defection that would develop before “the day of YHWH God.” (2 Thessalonians 2:2) He means a willful abandonment of true worship and the service of God.
At 1 John 2:18, 19 this abandonment of the truth had already begun. By this time the apostle John was old and he must likely the last of the apostles so they were in the last hour, which means, the 12 apostles that Jesus chose John was the last of these apostles, so this apostolic period was coming to an end and soon after the last apostle John died, the apostasy would spring into full bloom.
Some Thessalonian Christians were being misled regarding “the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ” and “the day of YHWH God.” So Paul reminds them of two events that must happen first: (1) The apostasy will come and (2) “the man of lawlessness” will be revealed. (2Thessalonians2:1-3) Paul’s expectation that a widespread apostasy would afflict the Christian congregation harmonizes with Jesus’ illustration about the wheat and the weeds. (Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43)
The Greek word here rendered “lawlessness” conveys the idea of living in deliberate opposition to law. As used in the Bible, it suggests disregard for God’s laws. (Matthew 24:12.) In this verse, Paul shows that “the man of lawlessness” is involved with the apostasy. Many congregations faced the problem of apostasy, so it seems clear that “the man of lawlessness” does not refer to any single individual. Rather, this composite “man” represents a dangerous group of false Christians. (2 Thessalonians 2:8.) This is confirmed at 2 John 1:7 which shows that the many deceivers, is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Paul also foretells that at some future time, the identity of this “man” gets revealed, in the sense of his coming out into the open. (Thessalonians 2:7.)
This expression, which could also be rendered “son of annihilation,” is used to describe Jesus’ betrayer, Judas Iscariot. (John 17:12.) Paul thus suggests that “the man of lawlessness” discussed here is certain to be permanently annihilated, just as the traitor Judas died a permanent death.
The phrase “object of worship” renders a Greek word that may also be translated “object of reverence.” Paul here suggests that the corrupt “man of lawlessness” would exalt himself by teaching twisted things that run counter to the law of God. (Thessalonians 2:3) The phrase “every so-called god” might include powerful humans, such as secular rulers. (Compare John 10:34-36.) Paul thus suggests that this self-important “man” behaves as if his teaching were the supreme authority.
Paul focuses on the hypocritical actions of “the man of lawlessness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:3) He cannot actually sit in God’s temple (or “divine habitation [dwelling]”), but he, in effect, claims to do so. “Of God” literally reads “of the God.” Paul’s use of the Greek definite article shows that this “man” lyingly claims to be a representative of the true God.
Concerning Revelation 6:13, I honestly believe we're in the critical last days and there have been a time of earthquakes, literal and figurative. (2 Timothy 3:1) But not one of these quakings is the final great shaking that John sees at the opening of the sixth seal. The time for advance tremors is ended. There will come a great earthquake that is totally new to human experience. It is so great an earthquake that the upheavals and convulsions it causes cannot be measured by the Richter scale or by any other human gauge. This is no mere local shock but a cataclysmic shaking that devastates the entire “earth,” meaning, all depraved human society.
Others of YHWH God's prophets foretold such an earthquake and its catastrophic consequences. For example, about 820 B.C.E., Joel spoke of “the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of YHWH,” stating that then “the sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood.” Later, he adds these words: “Crowds, crowds are in the low plain of the decision, for the day of YHWH is near in the low plain of the decision. Sun and moon themselves will certainly become dark, and the very stars will actually withdraw their brightness. And out of Zion YHWH himself will roar, and out of Jerusalem he will give forth his voice. And heaven and earth certainly will rock; but YHWH God will be a refuge for his people, and a fortress for the sons of Israel.” (Joel 2:31; 3:14-16) This rocking could apply only to YHWH God's execution of judgment during the great tribulation. (Matthew 24:21) So the parallel account at Revelation 6:12, 13 would logically have the same application.(See also Jeremiah 10:10; Zephaniah 1:14, 15.)
Ezekiel too foretold that when Gog of Magog, which is the debased Satan, makes his final attack upon God’s people, YHWH God will cause “a great quaking” to occur “in the soil of Israel.” (Ezekiel 38:18, 19) Though literal earthquakes may be involved, we should remember that Revelation is presented in signs. This prophecy and the other prophecies cited are highly symbolic. So, the opening of the sixth seal appears to disclose the culmination of all shakings of this earthly system of things, the great earthquake in which all humans opposed to YHWH God’s sovereignty are destroyed.
In a spiritual sense, such a darkness was prophesied for ancient Israel. Jeremiah warned: “A desolate waste is what the whole land will become, and shall I not carry out a sheer extermination? On this account the land will mourn, and the heavens above will certainly become dark.” (Jeremiah 4:27, 28) In 607 B.C.E. when that prophecy was fulfilled, things were dark indeed for YHWH God's people. Their capital city, Jerusalem, fell to the Babylonians. Their temple was destroyed, and their land was abandoned. For them, there was no comforting light from heaven. Rather, it was as Jeremiah mournfully said to YHWH God: “You have killed; you have shown no compassion. You have blocked approach to yourself with a cloud mass, that prayer may not pass through.” (Lamentations 3:43, 44) For Jerusalem, that celestial darkness meant death and destruction.
Later, a similar darkness in the heavens signified disaster for ancient Babylon. Of this, God’s prophet was inspired to write: “Look! The day of YHWH itself is coming, cruel both with fury and with burning anger, in order to make the land an object of astonishment, and that it may annihilate the land’s sinners out of it. For the very stars of the heavens and their constellations of Kesil will not flash forth their light; the sun will actually grow dark at its going forth, and the moon itself will not cause its light to shine. And I shall certainly bring home its own badness upon the productive land, and their own error upon the wicked themselves.” (Isaiah 13:9-11) This prophecy was fulfilled in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon fell to the Medes and the Persians. It well describes the blackness, the hopelessness, the lack of any comforting light for Babylon as she fell forever from her position as premier world power.
In a similar way, when the great earthquake strikes, this entire world system will be engulfed in the despair of total darkness. The bright, shining luminaries of Satan’s earthly system will send forth no ray of hope. Already today, earth’s political leaders, especially in Christendom, are notorious for their corruption, lying, and immoral lifestyle. (Isaiah 28:14-19) No longer can they be trusted. Their flickering light will go into total eclipse when YHWH God executes judgment. Their moonlike influence on earth’s affairs will be exposed as bloodied, death dealing. Their worldly superstars will be extinguished like plunging meteorites and scattered like unripe figs in a howling windstorm. Our entire globe will quake under a “great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” (Matthew 24: 21)
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Thank you for taking the time and trouble to answer. However, That verse says there are many antichrists. It actually says the opposite of there being one last antichrist. It speaks of the many antichrists and the last hour, not many hours and one last antichrist.
There is no "last antichrist" in scripture. It just is not there. Paul never wrote about "the antichrist" using that terminology so no writings of Paul ever refer to that theology. You have a difficulty in that John wrote clearly of MANY antichrists and Paul wrote of the one man of sin. Now your eschatology tells you that this is the same person although John said MANY. So that is a difficulty as it seems they are not speaking of the same matter. And indeed, I think they are not.
But we need not pursue this. I was just wondering if you had a verse that says there is one last antichrist since this person features so strongly in your eschatology. Doesn't matter. A lot of people's eschatology is based on story with isolated verses inserted that could be sort of used to support that story. I am only sorry that so few want to even understand positions they do not hold. I understand your positive perfectly as well as a number of theological positions I do not believe. It is a great strength as well as keeps a person seeking truth and not just to be right. In this light I have changed my theological position as I grew in understanding and I grew in understanding as I was willing to change. To him who has (understanding,) more (understanding) will be given but to he who has not, even what (understanding) he has will be taken away.