Who raised Jesus from the dead?

[ChristineES]

Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
You notice is says rise and not be raised.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
You notice is says rise and not be raised.

What are you saying, that all the verses I quoted are wrong? Besides, you're making a distinction where there is none. Rising is what happens when you're raised.

"Jesus saith unto her, thy brother shall rise again" (Jn.11:23)

"Then Jesus, 6 days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead" (Jn.12:1)

Notice it says Lazarus shall "rise", after which, he was "raised".

What is your point? :-?

 

[ChristineES]

Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
You notice is says rise and not be raised.

What are you saying, that all the verses I quoted are wrong? Besides, you're making a distinction where there is none. Rising is what happens when you're raised.

"Jesus saith unto her, thy brother shall rise again" (Jn.11:23)

"Then Jesus, 6 days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead" (Jn.12:1)

Notice it says Lazarus shall "rise", after which, he was "raised".

What is your point? :-?

My point is that I believe that Jesus is God. That is my only point. I did not get from Church Dogma, as you believe, but from reading the Bible myself and a lot of prayer.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

My point is that I believe that Jesus is God. That is my only point. I did not get from Church Dogma, as you believe, but from reading the Bible myself and a lot of prayer.

I see, Christine, well I won't drag you over the coals on this one cause now that it's dawned on you that your argument based on a distinction between the tenses of "raised" is meaningless.

Secondly, did you know that many people, through reading the bible and praying, have come to different conclusions than you on this issue?

Thirdly, where did you get the creedal language you use? How about the word Trinity itself? You didn't get that from reading the bible, and if I can I assume that you didn't hear a voice from heaven saying - "This is God, I'm a Trinity", when you were praying, then you must have got it from Church dogma?

 

[Imagican]

God The Father raised Jesus from the 'dead'. It WAS the power of God, the Father that raised Jesus from the dead.

Christ ALSO raised Himself, through OBEDIENCE to the Father. He fulfilled HIS purpose and 'through' this purpose, raised Himself by BEING obedient.

So, you see, it's not as 'mystical' as the 'trinitarian' view would have it's followers believe. There is NO 'trick' to this understanding. It is plain and simple once one is able to understand the scriptures and their meaning.

 

[Imagican]

TanNinety what you just stated is an oxymoron. In John 2:19 Jesus (Yeshua) said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;

Those two verses make it impossible for there not to be a trinity. Or at least a ummm what would be the word... Doublty? :P

BTW are you Jewish? I'm very new to this forum.

"The word" would be 'twinity'.

 

[ChristineES]

My point is that I believe that Jesus is God. That is my only point. I did not get from Church Dogma, as you believe, but from reading the Bible myself and a lot of prayer.

I see, Christine, well I won't drag you over the coals on this one cause now that it's dawned on you that your argument based on a distinction between the tenses of "raised" is meaningless.

Secondly, did you know that many people, through reading the bible and praying, have come to different conclusions than you on this issue?

Thirdly, where did you get the creedal language you use? How about the word Trinity itself? You didn't get that from reading the bible, and if I can I assume that you didn't hear a voice from heaven saying - "This is God, I'm a Trinity", when you were praying, then you must have got it from Church dogma?

This is a tough one. I got the word "trinity" from Church, I had to, you are right it is not a word in the Bible.. As I said in the other thread, my belief came from reading the Bible (That Jesus is God). I have always read the Bible for myself (with a lot of prayer before and after) to come to my understanding of my beliefs. I never actually discussed The Triinity with anyone. I guess that is what happens when one read the Bible for him/herself, and not letting any human intrepreted it! I grew up in an agnostic household (my mother was agnostic, my father, who I barely know was raised Catholic, but I am not sure what he believes, he is a Navajo Indian), and my stepfather (who is American-Japanese) used to be a Buddhist.
Believe it or not, I come from Jewish ancestory. I was told by a Rabbi about 2 years ago that I am a Jew (my Maternal grandmother's mother was a Jew as was her husband). I don't know anything about Judaism. I have been thinking about converting to Jewish Christian (like Zola Levitt) for quite awhile now.
I lost my fire from God for about 7 years when I found out my oldest child had autism. I only recently returned to God (I never really left Him or stopped believing, but was angry). I have repented from that sin.
I never thought about the Trinity, really. I just believe Jesus is God, if you were to go back and read my posts, you will notice that I seldom use the word "Trinity".
I used to think I was at a disadvantage being raised in a household that did not believe in God, but now I think it was an advantage instead. My mother accepted Jesus soon after I did, as did the rest of my family.
I have to do more study now to find out what is my true belief, because I have had new things thrown at me. I still believe that Jesus is God, I don't see that changing at all at the present.
I know this is long winded but I needed to explain some things.
Christine

 

[mutzrein]

The Trinity has always been taught to me. But I don't always believe in everything I am taught. I believe in something when I see it is scripturally true, and when I have the peace from God that what I believe is true. I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is a Trinty. I may not as of right now be able to give you any scripture that shows you that what I believe is true. (simply because I havn't been able to take the time to look them up yet, and I may never get the time.) I have read the scripture verses that agree with what I believe and also the ones that supposedly make it impossible. And I KNOW that what I believe is the truth.

I wonder how many people believe something that they they know NOT to be the truth. C'mon now Alannah. We have all been mislead at one time or another in our lives and when it comes to doctrine who would say they believed something that they knew not to be the truth. There are many threads on this forum debating the trinity. Take time to read some of them, because I guarantee you, anything that you have been told to point to which supports the trinity, can be (if not, has already been) debunked by a number of folks who post here.

 

[theSeriousOne]

Who raised Jesus from the dead? I have heard it taught that God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit all raised Jesus from the dead, is this true? If so can someone please point me to the scriptures, if you have a different take please post away, I would like to get the correct answer on this.

That depends on what you think "dead" means.
The Churches teach that Christ NEVER died!
For isn't he part of the Trinity?
Doesn't he have an 'IMMORTAL' soul?

 

[justbyfaith]

In answer to the title question.

According to Romans 4:24-25, it was "he (not them) who was handed over to die because of our sins and raised to life to make us right with God." (nlt).

According to Galatians 1:1, it was God the Father.

 

[justbyfaith]

The title question being, "Who raised Jesus from the dead?"

 

[theSeriousOne]

In answer to the title question.

According to Romans 4:24-25, it was "he (not them) who was handed over to die because of our sins and raised to life to make us right with God." (nlt).

According to Galatians 1:1, it was God the Father.

Gal 1:1- Paul an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brethren who are with me