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Who recieves the cup? Hint-not the world

for_his_glory said:
No He was not wrong, but we also have to remember that not all of Israel are God's chosen people. Israel lost her right to be called Gods chosen people, (God did save a faithful remnant), as they fell into idolatry worshiping other gods as they allowed themselves to fall from Gods grace as they followed the lust of their own hearts as they practiced Judaism, 1 Kings 9:1-9.
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So this beast called Israel which had recieved a deadly wound in 70 AD yet lived can also be the beast which persecutes the saints for the final 42 months of its reign.
Or at least Jesus said they would be persecuted there till he comes.

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Matthew 10:23 - Sheep among Wolves

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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I mean you believe the catholics are going to persecute the saints but that's not who Jesus said would persecute the saints. Jesus told Israel that they would persecute his prophets.
That being the people who don't believe in him in Israel persecuting those who do.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
The last empire is not the Roman empire. The last empire that I know of was Great Brittain. If I'm not mistaken, Great Brittain is perhaps the largest empire the world has ever seen or it at one time or another encompassed 3/4 of the world. The Ottoman empire was very large as well and also the Mongol empire. All three of these were after the Roman empire so we know the Roman empire wasn't last.
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The Roman Empire began in 753BC by Romulus who founded Rome in 27BC with Augustus Caesar becoming the first emperor of Rome in 27 BC and died in 14AD. Rome controlled over two million square miles stretching from the Rhine River to Egypt and from Britain (England) to Asia Minor which made up the Grecian Empire of Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt. In 146BC the Romans destroyed Corinth during the Battle of Corinth and made the Greece Empire into a province of the Roman Empire. This timeline goes from 753BC to 27BC. Nero burned Rome in 64AD and blamed the Christian community in the city causing the Roman Empires first persecution of Christians. In 1453 was the rise of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Constantinople destroying the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) that reigned from 330AD to 1453AD. The Roman Empire was divided into an eastern half and a western half in 285 CE by Emperor Diocletian. It was the Emperor Constantine in 330CE who moved the capital of the Roman Empire to Byzantium (Constantinople) in the Eastern Empire. The Roman Empire was then called the Holy Roman Empire that was a political entity beginning in 800AD - 1806AD from the time of Charlemagne (Holy Roman Emperor) who protected Pope Leo III from Adrian's supporters in Rome to Francis II, King of France. Pope Pius VII was the Pope from 1800-1823. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome in Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.
 
for_his_glory said:
I will have to study this further as it is always God's wrath set against these nations in the end of days.
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God's wrath doesn't mean God must do it himself.
For instance. God could have the Son if perdition destroy all those nations for him.


What better way to destroy the beast then to let the king of the north do it? After all, God only needs to say it's going to happen and it will. God doesn't have to innihilate tens of millions of people when he has, already showed us who will.
 
for_his_glory said:
The Roman Empire began in 753BC by Romulus who founded Rome in 27BC with Augustus Caesar becoming the first emperor of Rome in 27 BC and died in 14AD. Rome controlled over two million square miles stretching from the Rhine River to Egypt and from Britain (England) to Asia Minor which made up the Grecian Empire of Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt. In 146BC the Romans destroyed Corinth during the Battle of Corinth and made the Greece Empire into a province of the Roman Empire. This timeline goes from 753BC to 27BC. Nero burned Rome in 64AD and blamed the Christian community in the city causing the Roman Empires first persecution of Christians. In 1453 was the rise of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Constantinople destroying the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) that reigned from 330AD to 1453AD. The Roman Empire was divided into an eastern half and a western half in 285 CE by Emperor Diocletian. It was the Emperor Constantine in 330CE who moved the capital of the Roman Empire to Byzantium (Constantinople) in the Eastern Empire. The Roman Empire was then called the Holy Roman Empire that was a political entity beginning in 800AD - 1806AD from the time of Charlemagne (Holy Roman Emperor) who protected Pope Leo III from Adrian's supporters in Rome to Francis II, King of France. Pope Pius VII was the Pope from 1800-1823. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome in Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.
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Israel also has diplomatic relations around the world. Israel is also far more powerful than Vatican city.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
So this beast called Israel which had recieved a deadly wound in 70 AD yet lived can also be the beast which persecutes the saints for the final 42 months of its reign.
Or at least Jesus said they would be persecuted there till he comes.

biblehub.com

Matthew 10:23 - Sheep among Wolves

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
biblehub.com

I mean you believe the catholics are going to persecute the saints but that's not who Jesus said would persecute the saints. Jesus told Israel that they would persecute his prophets.
That being the people who don't believe in him in Israel persecuting those who do.
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I never said the beast was Israel, but that the beast out of the earth will take its seat in Jerusalem being the son of perdition Like I said, not all of Israel are God's own and it's not the Catholics, but that of what calls itself Roman Catholic. through the fourth Empire whose deadly wound was healed back in 1929. They have always persecuted God's own even to death and placed Jesus on the cross.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
God's wrath doesn't mean God must do it himself.
For instance. God could have the Son if perdition destroy all those nations for him.


What better way to destroy the beast then to let the king of the north do it? After all, God only needs to say it's going to happen and it will. God doesn't have to innihilate tens of millions of people when he has, already showed us who will.
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Within the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgements God gives to each angel a trumpet to sound followed by God pouring His wrath out into the world in hopes that people would turn back to Him, but we also read about the seven bowl judgements being poured out on those who have damned themselves by taking the mark of this beast.

Rev 19:11-21 we read about the return of Christ who will destroy the beast and its false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire and slaying all those who followed after he rejecting the true Christ. God send the wrath, Jesus is given final jugement.
 
for_his_glory said:
Within the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgements God gives to each angel a trumpet to sound followed by God pouring His wrath out into the world in hopes that people would turn back to Him, but we also read about the seven bowl judgements being poured out on those who have damned themselves by taking the mark of this beast.

Rev 19:11-21 we read about the return of Christ who will destroy the beast and its false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire and slaying all those who followed after he rejecting the true Christ. God send the wrath, Jesus is given final jugement.
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At the same time, the king of the norths armed forces kill ten of mlions of people who live in the kingdom of the beast.


It's like the lord saying he would make Egypt desolate at th at time.

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Ezekiel 29:12 - The Desolation of Egypt

I will make the land of Egypt a desolation among desolate lands, and her cities will lie desolate for forty years among the ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them throughout the countries.
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Now when you read this, you believe God will make Egypt desolate for 40 years. But if you pay closer attention to the chapter, you find the armed forces of the north destroys Egypt.


Are you understanding this? The king of the north is given the riches of Egypt because he did it for the Lord. Now back to the king of the north in Daniel 11


See here who is given the riches of Egypt? Ezekiel tells who he is given the treasures of Egypt and Ezekiel also shows egypt will be desolate for 40 years after the king of the north destroys it.


Egypt is one of the horns that attacks Jerusalem and is destroyed on the day of the Lord and we know this because zech14 shows what happens to the nations that attack Jerusalem.


You can't seem to understand though. You believe God is going to go around killing men women and children when it's actually the man of sin doing it for him.
 
for_his_glory said:
I never said the beast was Israel, but that the beast out of the earth will take its seat in Jerusalem being the son of perdition Like I said, not all of Israel are God's own and it's not the Catholics, but that of what calls itself Roman Catholic. through the fourth Empire whose deadly wound was healed back in 1929. They have always persecuted God's own even to death and placed Jesus on the cross.
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You believe the Roman Empire has returned since 1929?
Where is it?

The kingdom of Israel is the only beast that was wounded and has been healed. The Roman empire is not going to come back.
It's gone for good.
 
I think we have reached a stalemate and have given all I can to this topic. I appreciate our good conversations between us, but we will not reach an agreement.

God bless and you have a great day :)
 
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