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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Who was responsible for Christ's death?Who killed Jesus?
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Gary
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It's hard to respond to someone's OP in A&T when they don't state their own position.
I don't even know exactly what you are asking. There is more than one answer to this question.
One can point out as chessman has that Christ willing laid down His life, that the Father gave His life...and yet Paul makes this statement as well.
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1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
1Th 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
1Th 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
These religious Jewish leaders were His accusers, declared His punishment, chose Him to die over Barabbas, Pontius Pilate carried out the sentence.
The reason I bring this up is because a good friend of mine brought this same thing up when she heard a TV preacher say that the Jews didn't kill Jesus the Romans did.
Paul points out the some of same things that Jesus does in Matthew 23.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
I believe all the answers that have been given in this thread are the truth.
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Gregg
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The Father and the Son are responsible for Christ's death.
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We all did. My sin and yours made it necessary for him to make that great sacrifice. We are all equally guilty of his death, no more and no less than those who actually nailed him to the cross. If we had not sinned, the crucifixion would not have been necessary.
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Scripture is appreciated and necessary but what is the one who is responsible for Christ's death?
The Father and the Son are responsible for Christ's death. Jesus was crucified, but He was not killed by any man; ". . . and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost" (John 19:30 KJV). "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." (Mat 27:50 KJV)
See my post #9, and see post #7 by chessman.
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Who are the Father and the Son to you?
Gregg
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God the Father, and God the Son [the LORD Jesus Christ].
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The Father and the Son are responsible for Christ's death. Jesus was crucified, but He was not killed by any man; ". . . and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost" (John 19:30 KJV). "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." (Mat 27:50 KJV)
So God and Jesus are responisible for crucifying Jesus?
Gregg
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Yes.
"For this reason My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I received this commandment from My Father." (John 10:17-18 LITV)
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That does not make sense to me
And we have this:
Isaiah 53:10 NASB~~10 But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
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That does not make sense to me
Revelation 4:11
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, because you have created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”
The next thing that occurs that is beyond the will of God, will be the first thing that occurs beyond His will.
Matthew 26:42
Again for the second time he went away and prayed, saying, “My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will must be done.”
Again for the second time he went away and prayed, saying, “My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will must be done.”
Joh 18:30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.
Joh 18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
Joh 18:32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
Joh 18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
Joh 18:32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.