WHY DID CHRIST SEND HIS DISCIPLES OUT WITH THE GOOD NEWS?

[TMal3]

Where does it say in Scripture that the Pharisees had "jurisdictional authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose"?

And where does it say the Pharisees received their authority via an unbroken line of succession handed down from Moses? As I pointed out, "sit in the seat of Moses" is a functional role, not a successional one; that "line" was broken after Joshua, further broken during the Exile, and the Pharisees arose as an independent sect as a result of religious-political events related to the Macabbean Revolt, not authority handed down from Moses.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Actually if you reread you'll see that I said it began in Jerusalem. Antioch was Paul's home base of operations. After the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, Antioch would be the next best alternative, but still insufficient without the apostles themselves, given their earlier martyrdom of most before 70 AD.

I'm not sure about the RCC "elbowing" into history. I'd say it's a lot more complicated than that. And I'm not sure their failures are much different from Protestants' failures.

There were apostles and prophets in Antioch.

The RCC has a history of persecuting true born of God Christians and burning us at the stake.
I don't forgive them.
Neither does God.
For they haven't asked forgiveness and think what they did was do God service.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You should have said..."We are not REborn again by water AND Spirit but by the Spirit ONLY.

When the "water" is part of 1 John 5:8, it does do something.

My review of historical study material has 1 John 5:7 and 8 added after the epistle was written.
But it is still Scripture and is true.

 

[THINK!]

Matt 24:14- And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.

 

[Hopeful 2]

They included the original disciples chosen by Jesus and who Jesus commissioned; they were witnesses to the resurrection; and certain apostles were given special authority as foundational leaders of the Church, particularly the Twelve with Peter as the "rock" upon which Jesus said He would build His church. So they definitely were given special authority by the Lord Jesus. In short, the special authority is their personal commissioning by the Lord Jesus Himself, and the special authority their words and teaching carry as the original founders and 'pillars' of the Church. They stand at the origin of the Church and the whole of Christianity.

The "rock" was that Jesus was the Son of God.
"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt 16:15-18)

BUT what there is no Scriptural evidence for is that this authority was to be handed down in an unbroken succession. There's no real Scriptural evidence for that.

Agreed.
God can call anyone He likes to be an apostle.

 

[Hopeful 2]

My review of historical study material has 1 John 5:7 and 8 added after the epistle was written.
But it is still Scripture and is true.

I believe God's protection of what was originally written, and what He wanted handed down to future believers, trumps your historical study.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Irrelevant! So they are not impeccable nor are the apostles,
It’s their kingdom authority

If they were of God, they would bear the fruit of Godly seed.

Jurisdictional authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose
Which was to be obeyed
But this was taken from them Matt 21:43 and given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 21:20-23 eph 2:20 and they are to be obeyed
And the apostolic have successors
Amen?

I can forgive sins, or not forgive sins, but I am not an apostle.

 

[donadams]

If they were of God, they would bear the fruit of Godly seed.

I can forgive sins, or not forgive sins, but I am not an apostle.

You cannot grant absolution of sins committed against God only the priest / apostles can!

 

[jeremiah1five]

You cannot grant absolution of sins committed against God only the priest / apostles can!

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Ti 2:5.

NOT the man Jesus Christ, but the man Christ Jesus.
Figure that one out.

Scripture contradicts you.
But because you listen and obey sinful, fallible men you've short-circuited your thinking.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I believe God's protection of what was originally written, and what He wanted handed down to future believers, trumps your historical study.

It's the same thing.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You cannot grant absolution of sins committed against God only the priest / apostles can!

I can forgive those who sin against me.
And I have.
As for unbelievers, those still committing sins...against God...they have baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins...against God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

It's the same thing.

Yes, what was originally written, and what He wanted passed down to us, are the same thing.

 

[TMal3]

There were apostles and prophets in Antioch.

The RCC has a history of persecuting true born of God Christians and burning us at the stake.
I don't forgive them.
Neither does God.
For they haven't asked forgiveness and think what they did was do God service.

"There is none righteous, no not one"
You don't think Protestants have committed atrocities?

 

[TMal3]

The "rock" was that Jesus was the Son of God.
"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt 16:15-18)

Agreed.
God can call anyone He likes to be an apostle.

True, Jesus is THE Rock
But Jesus also said He would build His Church on Peter the "rock" like the verse you quoted states

 

[TMal3]

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Ti 2:5.

NOT the man Jesus Christ, but the man Christ Jesus.
Figure that one out.

Scripture contradicts you.
But because you listen and obey sinful, fallible men you've short-circuited your thinking.

But let's keep it focused on the question and not make it personal. None of us is in a position to judge someone else's heart or motives

 

[donadams]

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Ti 2:5.

NOT the man Jesus Christ, but the man Christ Jesus.
Figure that one out.

Scripture contradicts you.
But because you listen and obey sinful, fallible men you've short-circuited your thinking.

Listen yo Jesus

Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 

[donadams]

I can forgive those who sin against me.
And I have.
As for unbelievers, those still committing sins...against God...they have baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins...against God.

Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

"There is none righteous, no not one"
You don't think Protestants have committed atrocities?

Yes, they have.
But not corporately as the RCC has done.
There is no comparison. The RCC has the greater sin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Listen yo Jesus

Jn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Jesus is speaking of discipline in the Church and it has to do with relationship, not salvation.

 

[jeremiah1five]

But let's keep it focused on the question and not make it personal. None of us is in a position to judge someone else's heart or motives

I am.
Through the Word of God.

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 Jn 4.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Heb 4:12–13.

Through the Word of God in me I can discern and divide soul, spirit, and body [joints and marrow] of a person.
Even the Pope.
Whatever is in a person's "heart"/life" will come out through the tongue.
And then I got them.