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WHY DID CHRIST SEND HIS DISCIPLES OUT WITH THE GOOD NEWS?

jeremiah1five said:
I am.
Through the Word of God.

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 Jn 4.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Heb 4:12–13.

Through the Word of God in me I can discern and divide soul, spirit, and body [joints and marrow] of a person.
Even the Pope.
Whatever is in a person's "heart"/life" will come out through the tongue.
And then I got them.
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Ummm, no. The Word of God can do that. It doesn't say we can. And no one here denies that Jesus Christ has come into the flesh so we all pass the 1 John "test the spirits" test, including Catholics.
jeremiah1five said:
Yes, they have.
But not corporately as the RCC has done.
There is no comparison. The RCC has the greater sin.
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Corporately? I think not. The whole RCC was corporately involved in persecution of its own members? I think those persecuted members would have disagreed. I think corrupt religious-political leaders is more accurate and plenty of corrupt Protestants who persecuted and killed dissenters. It's all wrong whether it's corporate or not.
 
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jeremiah1five said:
Protestants received their theology from the Word of God.
Sola Scriptura, remember?
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I am of the Protestant tradition too, but we cannot honestly deny that Protestantism owes a lot to Catholicism, including preservation of NT manuscripts so that we can have the Protestant Bible. It's fair to acknowledge that.

Better still is to bypass all this Protestant vs Catholic rhetoric altogether, which is not fruitful for discussion. Better is to look at the NT in the first century historical context of its time and not through the lens of Catholicism or through the lens of Protestantism.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Jesus is speaking of discipline in the Church and it has to do with relationship, not salvation.
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I thought the Bible was the “only authority”? Not you’re interpretation

Sins have nothing to do with discipline
 
I can’t find the Sola’s in scripture?

The opposite
“Faith alone” 1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing

1 cor 13:13 faith hope and charity

Phil 1:29 not called to faith only

Never alone! Always together!

Inseparable!

Romans 5:5
King James Version
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Faith hope and charity
The greatest is charity
 
TMal3 said:
I am of the Protestant tradition too, but we cannot honestly deny that Protestantism owes a lot to Catholicism, including preservation of NT manuscripts so that we can have the Protestant Bible. It's fair to acknowledge that.

Better still is to bypass all this Protestant vs Catholic rhetoric altogether, which is not fruitful for discussion. Better is to look at the NT in the first century historical context of its time and not through the lens of Catholicism or through the lens of Protestantism.
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They preserved the Bible because the public loved it- and it gave them great power.
The Trinity, the Immortal Soul and Hellfire are just some of the teachings carried away from it.
 
TMal3 said:
Ummm, no. The Word of God can do that. It doesn't say we can. And no one here denies that Jesus Christ has come into the flesh so we all pass the 1 John "test the spirits" test, including Catholics.

Corporately? I think not. The whole RCC was corporately involved in persecution of its own members? I think those persecuted members would have disagreed. I think corrupt religious-political leaders is more accurate and plenty of corrupt Protestants who persecuted and killed dissenters. It's all wrong whether it's corporate or not.
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Nope. Even common folk were carried away with persecution of Protestant true born believers.
 
donadams said:
I thought the Bible was the “only authority”? Not you’re interpretation

Sins have nothing to do with discipline
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Don’t you have to interpret your priests orders when given verbally or written?
Same thing.
Sure it has to do with discipline. Peter and the other believers were given authority to forgive the sins and offenses of other believers upon other believers, not given authority to forgive sins and offenses committed towards God.
 
donadams said:
You can’t blame a church unless they teach men to do these things
Thanks
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It’s natural in man.
That’s why the Law against murder.
The Inquisition was a Catholic idea and the whole hierarchy supported it. Scared even common Catholics into submission. That’s not love that Christ taught. It was hellish and Satanic. You know the history. You just ignore it. Just like the man Jesus taught tried to justify himself.
 
Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not expressly taught in Scripture

Catholic doctrine of Apostolic Succession is not expressly taught in Scripture

*The gospel message of salvation is expressly taught in Scripture, so there's at least one thing we can all agree on 😀
 
TMal3 said:
I am of the Protestant tradition too, but we cannot honestly deny that Protestantism owes a lot to Catholicism, including preservation of NT manuscripts so that we can have the Protestant Bible. It's fair to acknowledge that.

Better still is to bypass all this Protestant vs Catholic rhetoric altogether, which is not fruitful for discussion. Better is to look at the NT in the first century historical context of its time and not through the lens of Catholicism or through the lens of Protestantism.
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Believe me, Jerome’s bible may have been available to the KJV translators but they used Greek texts used through the centuries by the true Church in the East.
 
TMal3 said:
My point is it doesn't matter why or who it's still wrong and Protestants have done their share of persecution against Catholics and Jews
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In self-defense.
Catholic Church were the aggressors attempting to make Europe and the world under the thumb of Rome.
 
Self-defense? You are painting history in broad brush strokes. You can't condense all Protestant or Catholic offenses into neat little categories and false dichotomies. That is not accurate history. True history is far more complex and defies one sided attempts to castigate entire groups of people.

The "true" Church is not the Protestant, nor Catholic, nor East Orthodox church(es), but the spiritual Body of all true believers (Ephesians & 1 Corinthians). Put another way, being Protestant or Catholic or East Orthodox is not what makes one a Christian. Not according to the Bible.
 
donadams said:
I can’t find the Sola’s in scripture?

The opposite
“Faith alone” 1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing

1 cor 13:13 faith hope and charity

Phil 1:29 not called to faith only

Never alone! Always together!

Inseparable!

Romans 5:5
King James Version
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Faith hope and charity
The greatest is charity
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Sola Scriptura is right here among other places:

Deuteronomy 6:1–2 (KJV 1900): Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: 2 That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Sola Scriptura is right here among other places:

Deuteronomy 6:1–2 (KJV 1900): Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: 2 That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
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This refers to the Law (Torah), not the entire Bible. The rest of the OT & NT didn't even exist yet when these verses were written
 
TMal3 said:
Self-defense? You are painting history in broad brush strokes. You can't condense all Protestant or Catholic offenses into neat little categories and false dichotomies. That is not accurate history.

The "true" Church is not the Protestant, nor Catholic, nor East Orthodox church(es), but the spiritual Body of all true believers (Ephesians & 1 Corinthians). Put another way, being Protestant or Catholic or East Orthodox is not what makes one a Christian. Not according to the Bible.
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It began with Matin Luther.
He sought to bring Catholic doctrine in line with Scripture and was horribly treated, betrayed, and he had genuine fear for his life.
Nothings changed.
 
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