Why do you hate?

[handy]

True enough, but the thing is, they serve a different master. We are servants of the Lord God Almighty. Hatred shouldn't be in us and we do need to be loving.

 

[jasoncran]

you confess the hatred of sin with hatred of the sinner, the former is good, as christian must abhor that which is evil, but cling to that wich is good.
i'm a former homosexual, i thank the lord for the christian who told me about the romans 1 chapter, she did it in love and told me that the lord says it sin, and the he will forgive me if repent.
we dont hate the sinner. some do and that's wrong

all sin is sin and all sin is evil.

You say you're a former homosexual, I doubt that very much. In my eyes you're still gay (cause in my eyes homosexuality is not a sin, it's completely natural, and it is not a choice (nor a demon) but it's sexual orientation), you just choose not to be what you are supposed to be.
But obviously, this is what I think.

So, a sin is bad. And if you repent you will be forgiven?. So are you saying that anyone can commit a sin, and then as long as they repent, it's ok?

It's a dangerous thing making generalizations. Just as it isn't true that "atheists" hate Christians and God, it isn't true that "Christians" hate homosexuals, fornicators, theifs, etc.

There are always some who do not fit this bill, but to generalize and assume something to be true isn't fair. So, Please, before you call us all hateful, please try to realize if it isn't always true for those who believe as you do, it isn't always true for those who believe as we do.

I didn't call you all hateful, I said it seemed to me; based on personal experiences of the christians I know. I know a few, have met a fair few, and through what they have said and their reaction to certain topics, have based my opinion. Don't take it the wrong way.

I agree, generalizations are unfair. But Bones, does it bother you that this is the impression we might be giving off? Do we look like hypocrites?

I agree generalizations are bad, as I mentioned previously, I was basing what I said on my own personal experiences with christians.
But yes, when discussing things with friends and family, chritians can give the impression of being hypocrites, and narrow minded, and in some cases extremists.



[quote="follower of Christ":1o42rhnl]So we only love our neighbor by ignoring the fact that their sin is going to take them straight into hell ?
Wouldnt it be loving them more to teach them how to avoid all that ?

I would say, shouldn't you love thy neighbour by actually loving them? Teaching them about something you believe is one thing, but surely you can accept them as being their own individual with their own beliefs? And if they happen to have different views to you, should you not accept them? See their uniqueness, and love them for who they are? Not who you think they should be?

Cat~

I have a question which I think may assist me in understanding your conception of Christians better...

Are you equating disapproval of a certain lifesytle with hatred of a person? Is disapproval the same as hatred in your estimation?

Just wondering if I am hearing what you are saying ~ or not.

Thanks~ sheshisown~ :shades

Not quite. Lifestyle is a choice, where as, for example, homosexuality, is not a lifestyle, it is not a choice, it is natural sexual orientation. And if you disapprove of it, it appears to me that you do indeed hate the person, for something they do not choose.

I'm sorry, do you know me?

No, I don't know you, but you don't know me either.
And all I'm doing is asking questions, is that bad?[/quote:1o42rhnl]
you may search my posts on this, but the lastest of my testimony posted is in the what is the gay lifestyle,
however i will rehash for you
i was never born gay, i can recall the earliest thought of looking at men at the age of ten approxiamelty. i never acted on those things until the age of 23, i did have sex with women and had attraction to them as well, but one strange day i met a man who held me in some type of awe, i wont go into the how. but this was after my conversion to christ and i was caught off guard and i knew what i did was wrong,yet i choose to do it anyway, i did repent and through the power of christ i gave up.

some say that i would be bi, that's not true as i did feel the urge for men as well, i just buried them! told myself that i'm not gay. and never told my parents to this day they dont know. i have told my wife and her kids and bro just not my parents for some odd reasons

as with the other types of sin, i can usually tell a gay person by the mannerism as i have been discovered by a man who is gay that i tried to witness to. he was atracted to me and i was forgiven and no longer in that sin, i worked with him and we talked about the lord and other things, he was an aethist. he respected me in the fact that i treated him like a human not a thing or it! he came out and asked me in this manner. jason i know that you are a holy roller(what he called me at times jokingly and i tolerated it)but i think that you were gay or are! i lied to him as it was less than a year ago i left that life and didnt like to recall it.

now i wish i told him the truth that i was. he may have listened and repented, i have seen him a few yrs ago.

 

[jasoncran]

just so that you may know cat, that i'm opposed to gay rights, but i have been subjected to that stigma as others gays and i mourn for those in that lie, i have done that for another here. i wish christians did a better job reaching the lbgt, the song mighty to save is the song that reminds of the compassion that lbgt needs.

jesus died for me a broken and self-destructive man that has commited many sins.

 

[JoJo]

Jason, I think you have a mighty testimony. :yes

 

[jasoncran]

Jason, I think you have a mighty testimony. :yes

thanks, thought some here will call me a bisexual after that mentioning of the story.
its still the truth and quite a painful time for me, since some are of the lbgt community i will accept the charge that i was bi as well. no matter god can deliver as well.

 

[Relic]

Jason, I think you have a mighty testimony. :yes

thanks, thought some here will call me a bisexual after that mentioning of the story.
its still the truth and quite a painful time for me, since some are of the lbgt community i will accept the charge that i was bi as well. no matter god can deliver as well.

Jason, if you think about it... your testimony is threefold. The Lord delivered you from homosex, bisex and fornication. The Lord has taken the sin in your life, washed it away off from your life and has delivered you to salvation from it! And now, the testimony you have to share is being used for the testimony of the Glory of the Lord in the victory over transgressions. You know the saying killed two birds with one stone. well in your case it was... killed THREE birds with one stone! Your testimony is a wonderful witness to the Working of the Holy Spirit in and through your life! :yes

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[jasoncran]

i restated that after some one here corrected me, and i wanted to stated what i was, the sin is sin and that' s it.

so my new post on that are will reflect that.

 

[westtexas]

Jason, I think you have a mighty testimony. :yes

thanks, thought some here will call me a bisexual after that mentioning of the story.
its still the truth and quite a painful time for me, since some are of the lbgt community i will accept the charge that i was bi as well. no matter god can deliver as well.

Jason, I don't think anyone here is going to call you anything. ALL of us have sinned. Your sins are different than mine and mine are different than Christian A,B,C, and D. But our Lord calls them ALL sins. The problem as I see it is REPENTANCE for our sins. As Christians we all realize that we stumble and fall every day and it is only because of the grace of our Lord Jesus that we rise again everyday forgiven for these sins. The lbgt community, and unfortunately some of our churches today, do not view what our Lord has said is sin, as a sin. Our Lord forgives ALL sins, but it is first necessary for us to repent of these sins, and this cannot happen if our actions (whatever they may be) are not viewed as sin even though our Lord says they are. Your sins are forgiven my brother, as are mine, because our Lord says so.
Sorry if this was off topic everybody, but I had to say what I thought
Westtexas

 

[jasoncran]

no offense i'm using that label to reach them in that area as best i can.

 

[Vic C.]

Disapproving of something does not equate into "Hate". Liberals love to sling the word "Hate" around like a weapon.

The reason why you have no problem with homosexual issues is because since you do not believe in a god, you have no higher moral authority than yourself and your own opinions. Christians, however, believe morality comes from a higher source, God, and we are therefore bound by that morality.

Stop slinging that word "Hate" around. It only poisons the debate. I think homosexual activity is un-natural and immoral. But I do not "hate" homosexuals as people.

See, we can agree on some things. :o

I have to agree also. TC, that was straight to the point, but not hateful at all. :yes

 

[glorydaz]

I liken this to those who claim we're racist if we don't support Obama. :yes
It isn't true, but it gives a reason to point a finger.

It also isn't true that someone is "born" gay. I realize it makes a person feel better about themselves if they can believe it, but it's simply not the truth. I'll be the first to admit there is often a very good reason for the sexual identity problems we see around us. I work with children that have been sexually abused...many from a very early age. We live in a sick, mixed-up world, and, unfortunately, sexual sins abound. I also spent ten years interviewing people from the gay community about their early sexual experiences. There's a common thread....one that does not go all the way back to their birth...but to their early formative years. I know God is able to do a mighty work in anyone's life once they recognize their sin and repent. Gays aren't the only ones with sexual sin problems, as we all know, but sexual sins are usually the hardest to let go. It's the sin we're to hate...not the person...same way God does.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I liken this to those who claim we're racist if we don't support Obama. :yes
It isn't true, but it gives a reason to point a finger.

It also isn't true that someone is "born" gay. I realize it makes a person feel better about themselves if they can believe it, but it's simply not the truth. I'll be the first to admit there is often a very good reason for the sexual identity problems we see around us. I work with children that have been sexually abused...many from a very early age. We live in a sick, mixed-up world, and, unfortunately, sexual sins abound. I also spent ten years interviewing people from the gay community about their early sexual experiences. There's a common thread....one that does not go all the way back to their birth...but to their early formative years. I know God is able to do a mighty work in anyone's life once they recognize their sin and repent. Gays aren't the only ones with sexual sin problems, as we all know, but sexual sins are usually the hardest to let go. It's the sin we're to hate...not the person...same way God does.

I was never sexualy abused. I grew up with a strong male figure. I grew up in an enviroment that encouraged me to date women. I'm not feminine.

I'm gay, and have always been. Explain to me the common factor that we all suposedly share.

 

[Solo]

I liken this to those who claim we're racist if we don't support Obama. :yes
It isn't true, but it gives a reason to point a finger.

It also isn't true that someone is "born" gay. I realize it makes a person feel better about themselves if they can believe it, but it's simply not the truth. I'll be the first to admit there is often a very good reason for the sexual identity problems we see around us. I work with children that have been sexually abused...many from a very early age. We live in a sick, mixed-up world, and, unfortunately, sexual sins abound. I also spent ten years interviewing people from the gay community about their early sexual experiences. There's a common thread....one that does not go all the way back to their birth...but to their early formative years. I know God is able to do a mighty work in anyone's life once they recognize their sin and repent. Gays aren't the only ones with sexual sin problems, as we all know, but sexual sins are usually the hardest to let go. It's the sin we're to hate...not the person...same way God does.

I was never sexualy abused. I grew up with a strong male figure. I grew up in an enviroment that encouraged me to date women. I'm not feminine.

I'm gay, and have always been. Explain to me the common factor that we all suposedly share.

A spirit of gay perversion that passes on from one generation to the next. Those who have this familiar spirit passed onto them will continue in this spirit until they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and are freed from it. If they do not, they will die in their sins, and spend eternity separated from all goodness in a place of torment.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

A spirit of gay perversion that passes on from one generation to the next. Those who have this familiar spirit passed onto them will continue in this spirit until they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and are freed from it. If they do not, they will die in their sins, and spend eternity separated from all goodness in a place of torment.

Can you give me any scripture that refrences this gay spirit? I'm not talking about spirits, I'm talking about this specific gay spirit. How is this spirt detected? How do you know it exists?

I think you just made this up on the spot. Instead of just saying you don't know, you made somthing up. If you really don't know, don't lie and pretend you know.

 

[JoJo]

I imagine hormones have something to do with it. As I've mentioned several times, my aunt was born with both male and female parts and my grandparents were given the choice between making her a boy or a girl. (I don't know all the facts...this is just what I've been told) My grandma chose for her to be a girl, but my aunt grew up to have a homosexual relationship with another woman for a long time.

Solo, in your opinion, was this a "spirit of gay" or was this just a physical mix-up?

 

[jasoncran]

off topic here. but relectanlty i will post. while i dont think one is born gay, but i did have the desire to look at certain men in a sexually,. and it was a certain look body type, it started at the age of 10 and went on till i acted on it. i did have the attraction to women as well, therefore some will say that i'm bisexual, but the lord has healed me.

i really dont know why i had those thoughts and satan still throws them my way, but the lord is able to help me not to listen to those lies.and i dont have to act on them.

in any event the sin of looking at and acting at . have the desire for another man or women(if you are woman) is still sin and that's that. jesus dealt with it at the cross.

jason

 

[jasoncran]

off topic here. but relectanlty i will post. while i dont think one is born gay, but i did have the desire to look at certain men in a sexually,. and it was a certain look body type, it started at the age of 10 and went on till i acted on it. i did have the attraction to women as well, therefore some will say that i'm bisexual, but the lord has healed me.

i really dont know why i had those thoughts and satan still throws them my way, but the lord is able to help me not to listen to those lies.and i dont have to act on them.

in any event the sin of looking at and acting at . have the desire for another man or women(if you are woman) is still sin and that's that. jesus dealt with it at the cross.

jason

any lifestyle sin or sin that we were in satan will continue want us to return and since that is our weakneess he will attack us there.

 

[glorydaz]

I was never sexualy abused. I grew up with a strong male figure. I grew up in an enviroment that encouraged me to date women. I'm not feminine.

I'm gay, and have always been. Explain to me the common factor that we all suposedly share.

The common thread is denial.
"I was never sexually abused."
"I had a strong father figure."
"I've always been this way."

Physically normal children have no "sexual" preference.

During adolescence most children engage in some sexual exploration with members of the same sex or even opposite sex, depending on who their playmates are. Totally normal.

If a child is called stupid, he'll think he is stupid.
If a child is called a fag by a "strong father figure", he'll think he is one.
If a child is exposed to certain graphic behavior by his mother, he can develop a distaste for women.
If a child is exposed to an older kid during his exploration stage of adolescence, he can be be led beyond the normal into the abnormal.

The list goes on, but once you get past the denial you'll always find a source.

 

[Relic]

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The list goes on, but once you get past the denial you'll always find a source.

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yep, :yes That's all it takes... one tiny seed of perversion planted into the mind of anyone, no matter what age.... the spirit of perversion doesn't discriminate according to age. As a matter of fact... the younger the better because the spirit of perversion knows that young ones are so very vulnerable to the impressions, be them graphic in nature or of a verbal suggestion. Could even take place during a normal every day experience... such as going to the bathroom... The spirit of perversion will take advantage to plant it's perverse seed right then and there. And without the knowledge of the things deemed Holy and those things deemed unholy by Our creator and Lord God then the vulnerable are subjects, targets for the spirit of perversion to attack and plant the seeds that are of it's kind.

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[Drew]

The spirit of perversion will take advantage to plant it's perverse seed right then and there. And without the knowledge of the things deemed Holy and those things deemed unholy by Our creator and Lord God then the vulnerable are subjects, targets for the spirit of perversion to attack and plant the seeds that are of it's kind.

Does this concept of a spirit of perversion generalize beyond the matter of homosexual behaviour? For example, is it a spirit of perversion that is at work in the lives of those who, say, repeatedly and unrepentently promulgate false, misleading, doctored, and deceptive information that undermines the reputations of others, such as public figures?