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Why Is It So Heavy In Here?

It's strange how often I hear about this. I'll share my experience for what it's worth. In all my years (I'll be 65 in a couple months) I can only remember one time when I had gasoline go bad and even then it didn't require any repair.

One fall just before winter I pulled out my gasoline powered ice auger and attempted to fire it up as I always do. It wouldn't start, which was unusual. I opened the fuel tank to check for gas and found that it smelled like diesel fuel. I poured it out into a metal tray and tried to light it with a match. It would not burn. I discarded it and poured new mixed fuel into the tank on the auger, pressed the primer button about 5 times and it started in two pulls and ran just fine. About 5 years ago I decided to add Stabil fuel stabilizer every spring before storing it. No particular reason but It's become a habit.

As far as other gasoline powered machines that I use I use 87 octane with 10% ethanol in all of these. Of all of these I only use fuel stabilizers in the ice auger as mentioned above, my boat outboard motor, and my grain truck.
  • I have a Stihl 028 chainsaw I bought in 1985 when I was logging professionally. I used it in that capacity for about 5 years. Since then, I only use it once or twice a year. The gasoline that I have for it is kept in an old antifreeze bottle in my shed. I kid you not, the gasoline that is in that bottle has been 2 to 3 years old at times and still worked fine. I used that saw just a couple weeks ago in fact.
  • I have an old Montgomery Wards (original company) garden tiller that I use only once or twice in the fall. I've had it for over 30 years and it was used when I got it. I currently store it outside by my garden. Last week I wanted to give the garden a once over before winter. I set the throttle to full, pulled the choke, and pulled the recoil rope twice and it was running. As a side note, I have never replaced the spark plug so it too is probably the original.
  • My push lawn mower is one that I got from my mother back in around 1995. I do not know how long she had it. I maybe use that mower once or twice a year to cut grass around a door by our pole shed or cut the peonies in the fall. It always starts and runs within just a couple pulls after priming it about 3 times. As a side note, I have never replace the spark plug on this either so it too could easily be the original.
  • My 2012 Cub Cadet riding mower is my primary mower so I do use that regularly during the summer months. I store it in a 3-sided lean-to shed with the opening on the south side. It starts and runs very well.
  • I have a 2008 Kawasaki ATV that I keep in the lean-to next to my riding lawn mower. I do use that somewhat regularly year round. It too always starts and runs flawlessly.
  • My boat is powered by a 2012 90hp Evinrude E-TEC outboard. It is stored in a lean-to on the side of one of my outbuildings. This one I do put fuel conditioner in prior to winter storage. I really don't know why. I started doing that to protect the 5-year warranty and have continued ever since. So far, I have been very satisfied and impressed by that motor's performance.
  • My 1947 Farmall M tractor is used somewhat regularly year around. Summer for planting seed and baling hay. Winter for blowing snow. It is very reliable and a good runner, although right now I need to put new points and condenser kit in.
  • My 1968 Chevy C10 grain truck with its 427 and a Holley 4-bbl carb is used to make about 1/2 dozen trips per year to deliver my farm crops to market. When I got that truck, it had been in a storage shed unused for about 12 years. I did have to have the carburetor cleaned in a sonic bath along with new fuel lines that were decomposing, a new battery, and some brake work. Aside from that is has been working just fine. I do try to start it at least once every couple months throughout the year and let it run up to running temp to use the battery and lubricants.
Note: The chainsaw, garden tiller, push lawn mower, M Farmall, and grain truck were all manufactured before we went to unleaded and ethanol blended gasolines. I remember when leaded gas was eliminated and how the rumor mill was that engines would suffer. While there may have been a handful of incidents, that never happened to any degree. Same thing when ethanol was added. The scare was that carburetors would have to be rebuilt. Except for some snowmobiles and other machines with the various diaphragms in the carbs that required changing, that too never became a problem.

When I first got my M Farmall I was wondering about using 87 octane unleaded ethanol blended fuel. I decided to use a lead substitute until one day I happened to read the ingredients on the bottle. It didn't say "petroleum distillates" as I was expecting. In fact, there was only one word listed as ingredients....kerosene. I couldn't believe it! I was paying $5.00 per quart back in 1994 when I could buy kerosene for $1.35 a gallon at my local service station. What a rip off!! Needless to say, I discontinued using a lead substitute.

So, bottom line is, except for one incident, I have never had any issues using 87 octane unleaded ethanol blended fuel.
That's so funny. I'm now 64. Back in the day, the way you described is how I remember the old machines worked. Lately, the last couple of decades, the machines seem so sensitive to gumming up. I wonder if they use less additives up north? Seems if you used the garbage that passes for gasoline down here up there, the fuel would turn to jelly at the first freeze lol. You are blessed to be able to live (mechanically speaking) like I remember it being for me decades ago.
I just figured that they wanted everyone off of gas powered small engines so they deliberately made fuel ports smaller and gasoline more prone to gumming up so we would abandon gas for battery powered......I know I made the switch....I gave up. Down here you have watch the contractors and see which brands they use. They know which ones can handle garbage gas.
 
Hey All,
I live in southern California. Except for TV, I have never seen a snow blower. When it gets down to 50° we think it is cold. We are wusses out here when it comes to weather.
Of course summer is a different story. I have had Augusts where most days are above 100°. Thank God for air conditioning.
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
Hey All,
I thought the lounge would be an area for light-hearted stuff like football, snow blowers, and such. It is the lounge. I should be able to relax here and have fun conversations. I am not saying these posts here now are not important. They totally are! But shouldn't there be in a different forum like questions and answers for example. Isn't there a better forum for the heavy questions of life?
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
LOL

I guess the last 5 years have taken away small talk. Brown recluse spider bite. Lone star tick bite (complete with meat allergy), one case of malaria, two bouts with Covid, and other little joys kind of kill small talk

Plus in the end all man’s and God’s physical stuff gets burned up. It is my joy to know what is small and what is large.

I am cooking chicken livers.right now and I think not only has our diet given us fatty liver problems, but we have managed to mess up commercial chickens too.

God has given us all things to life and Gave odliness.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
LOL

I guess the last 5 years have taken away small talk. Brown recluse spider bite. Lone star tick bite (complete with meat allergy), one case of malaria, two bouts with Covid, and other little joys kind of kill small talk

Plus in the end all man’s and God’s physical stuff gets burned up. It is my joy to know what is small and what is large.

I am cooking chicken livers.right now and I think not only has our diet given us fatty liver problems, but we have managed to mess up commercial chickens too.

God has given us all things to life and Gave odliness.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
Mmmmmm........chicken liver and gizzards with country gravy....mmmmmm good for sure!
 
It's strange how often I hear about this. I'll share my experience for what it's worth. In all my years (I'll be 65 in a couple months) I can only remember one time when I had gasoline go bad and even then it didn't require any repair.

One fall just before winter I pulled out my gasoline powered ice auger and attempted to fire it up as I always do. It wouldn't start, which was unusual. I opened the fuel tank to check for gas and found that it smelled like diesel fuel. I poured it out into a metal tray and tried to light it with a match. It would not burn. I discarded it and poured new mixed fuel into the tank on the auger, pressed the primer button about 5 times and it started in two pulls and ran just fine. About 5 years ago I decided to add Stabil fuel stabilizer every spring before storing it. No particular reason but It's become a habit.

As far as other gasoline powered machines that I use I use 87 octane with 10% ethanol in all of these. Of all of these I only use fuel stabilizers in the ice auger as mentioned above, my boat outboard motor, and my grain truck.
  • I have a Stihl 028 chainsaw I bought in 1985 when I was logging professionally. I used it in that capacity for about 5 years. Since then, I only use it once or twice a year. The gasoline that I have for it is kept in an old antifreeze bottle in my shed. I kid you not, the gasoline that is in that bottle has been 2 to 3 years old at times and still worked fine. I used that saw just a couple weeks ago in fact.
  • I have an old Montgomery Wards (original company) garden tiller that I use only once or twice in the fall. I've had it for over 30 years and it was used when I got it. I currently store it outside by my garden. Last week I wanted to give the garden a once over before winter. I set the throttle to full, pulled the choke, and pulled the recoil rope twice and it was running. As a side note, I have never replaced the spark plug so it too is probably the original.
  • My push lawn mower is one that I got from my mother back in around 1995. I do not know how long she had it. I maybe use that mower once or twice a year to cut grass around a door by our pole shed or cut the peonies in the fall. It always starts and runs within just a couple pulls after priming it about 3 times. As a side note, I have never replace the spark plug on this either so it too could easily be the original.
  • My 2012 Cub Cadet riding mower is my primary mower so I do use that regularly during the summer months. I store it in a 3-sided lean-to shed with the opening on the south side. It starts and runs very well.
  • I have a 2008 Kawasaki ATV that I keep in the lean-to next to my riding lawn mower. I do use that somewhat regularly year round. It too always starts and runs flawlessly.
  • My boat is powered by a 2012 90hp Evinrude E-TEC outboard. It is stored in a lean-to on the side of one of my outbuildings. This one I do put fuel conditioner in prior to winter storage. I really don't know why. I started doing that to protect the 5-year warranty and have continued ever since. So far, I have been very satisfied and impressed by that motor's performance.
  • My 1947 Farmall M tractor is used somewhat regularly year around. Summer for planting seed and baling hay. Winter for blowing snow. It is very reliable and a good runner, although right now I need to put new points and condenser kit in.
  • My 1968 Chevy C10 grain truck with its 427 and a Holley 4-bbl carb is used to make about 1/2 dozen trips per year to deliver my farm crops to market. When I got that truck, it had been in a storage shed unused for about 12 years. I did have to have the carburetor cleaned in a sonic bath along with new fuel lines that were decomposing, a new battery, and some brake work. Aside from that is has been working just fine. I do try to start it at least once every couple months throughout the year and let it run up to running temp to use the battery and lubricants.
Note: The chainsaw, garden tiller, push lawn mower, M Farmall, and grain truck were all manufactured before we went to unleaded and ethanol blended gasolines. I remember when leaded gas was eliminated and how the rumor mill was that engines would suffer. While there may have been a handful of incidents, that never happened to any degree. Same thing when ethanol was added. The scare was that carburetors would have to be rebuilt. Except for some snowmobiles and other machines with the various diaphragms in the carbs that required changing, that too never became a problem.

When I first got my M Farmall I was wondering about using 87 octane unleaded ethanol blended fuel. I decided to use a lead substitute until one day I happened to read the ingredients on the bottle. It didn't say "petroleum distillates" as I was expecting. In fact, there was only one word listed as ingredients....kerosene. I couldn't believe it! I was paying $5.00 per quart back in 1994 when I could buy kerosene for $1.35 a gallon at my local service station. What a rip off!! Needless to say, I discontinued using a lead substitute.

So, bottom line is, except for one incident, I have never had any issues using 87 octane unleaded ethanol blended fuel.

I have .I was told that not to use anything other than rec 90 .

You can't rebuild an echo carb without cleaning it with a sonic method .plastic parts .

Echo blower needs that .echo edger sane thing and despite using the proper gas my wife didn't tell me that she got e87 and the generator needs it as well

Echo carb to rebuild and clean 80 no gaskets .new carb same price .


I would store the generator without gas in it and run it before a storm to check it .ethanol breaks down with water and sludge is produced .that's what ruins the jets and float .


Fuel injection they account for that ,but that is only for cars meant to.
My truck isn't meant to .


Oracle
https://echo-usa.custhelp.com › ...PDF
Protect Your Equipment Use The Correct Fuel!

E90 or rec 90 rec 100.
 
Mmmmmm........chicken liver and gizzards with country gravy....mmmmmm good for sure!
It is not about good.
I am also gluten intolerant. No wheat, rye, barley, buckwheat, oats. Rice and corn are battles tolerated. It is pretty much down to (man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God.

I must love it . I seem attracted to broken things. Houses, cars, people …..

Trials are the exercise that must build spiritual muscles.

And, to me this is small talk.

Now I get to get into: the death wobble on certain Ford pickups. Seems pretty simple (if I can manage the energy). Read on the internet and it generally is a great mystery.

No real mystery. Companies can not admit a problem.

eddif
 
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