Why is USA in Iraq?

[Jesus My Wisdom]

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So now you went to Iraq to save those poor people from oppression? My USA has a lot of work to do in the world being the world's Savior and all.

JMW[/quote]


Sorry to but out a Spider-man quote but with great power comes great responsibility.[/quote]

Well get on over there to China and North Korea and Pakistan and get rid of them nuclear weapons before something bad happens to the rest of the world. USA, the world's Savior!

Perhaps America is simply drowning in its own arrogance?

JMW

 

[Love Jesus]

Fantomex,
I just wanted to say I appreciate your service to our country very much.
God bless you and your family richly and always.

I read the entire thread and must say there are some very disturbing and I'll just say un-Christian things being said about our president and the war on terrorism. I hope you understand that many Christians support our government and the military all at the same time. Contrary to what some say, that really is do-able.

Some very strong statements have been said here, especially about "slaughtering" people, I'm sure you're man enough to ignore such tripe.

Once again, I truly do appreciate your service to our country. Oh, btw, Christians in the military are saved....how stupid and arrogant for so called Christians to believe otherwise.

 

[All-For-God]

and do u support what the us and british soldiers are doing to their soldiers taking nude pictures?

I support Bush and our government 100%

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Fantomex,
I just wanted to say I appreciate your service to our country very much.
God bless you and your family richly and always.

I read the entire thread and must say there are some very disturbing and I'll just say un-Christian things being said about our president and the war on terrorism. I hope you understand that many Christians support our government and the military all at the same time. Contrary to what some say, that really is do-able.

Some very strong statements have been said here, especially about "slaughtering" people, I'm sure you're man enough to ignore such tripe.

Once again, I truly do appreciate your service to our country. Oh, btw, Christians in the military are saved....how stupid and arrogant for so called Christians to believe otherwise.

Yeah I can envision Jesus and his disciples on a bombing mission if I talk myself into it. Oh yeah. Kill 'em afore they kill us.

JMW

 

[Fish-Cross]

and do u support what the us and british soldiers are doing their soldiers taking nude pictures?

[quote="Fish-Cross":f3d68]I support Bush and our government 100%

[/quote:f3d68]What are you talking about?

 

[Love Jesus]

[quote="Love Jesus":4eddd]Fantomex,
I just wanted to say I appreciate your service to our country very much.
God bless you and your family richly and always.

I read the entire thread and must say there are some very disturbing and I'll just say un-Christian things being said about our president and the war on terrorism. I hope you understand that many Christians support our government and the military all at the same time. Contrary to what some say, that really is do-able.

Some very strong statements have been said here, especially about "slaughtering" people, I'm sure you're man enough to ignore such tripe.

Once again, I truly do appreciate your service to our country. Oh, btw, Christians in the military are saved....how stupid and arrogant for so called Christians to believe otherwise.

Yeah I can envision Jesus and his disciples on a bombing mission if I talk myself into it. Oh yeah. Kill 'em afore they kill us.

JMW[/quote:4eddd]

I hope you will recieve this in the spirit in which it is intended. You were created in His image and deserve respect.

There seems to be something missing in you JMW. I've never met you, of course, so all I can go by are the words you write here, and the tone of those words.

I've yet to read one of your posts that has any love, or concern for anyone other than yourself and your points of view. I happen to agree with most of what you have to say, by the way. However, after these many days of reading your posts, I Corth. 1:1-3 seems a set of scriptures you may want to study and perhaps try practicing more.
Perhaps you've never noticed, but I don't believe I'm too terribly wrong when I say nearly everything written in your posts is laced with sarcasim.
You deride me for my beliefs concerning the Iraq war using how you believe Jesus would react....how about what He would say to those who disagree and how He would say it? I hardly believe that is how He would correct me.
You seem to have alot of bible wisdom and understanding, but wisdom and understanding without love isn't much of anything.
We all have a long way to go in learning how to immulate Jesus...I have miles and miles yet, but He isn't done with me nor you.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

[quote="Jesus My Wisdom":8808e][quote="Love Jesus":8808e]Fantomex,
I just wanted to say I appreciate your service to our country very much.
God bless you and your family richly and always.

I read the entire thread and must say there are some very disturbing and I'll just say un-Christian things being said about our president and the war on terrorism. I hope you understand that many Christians support our government and the military all at the same time. Contrary to what some say, that really is do-able.

Some very strong statements have been said here, especially about "slaughtering" people, I'm sure you're man enough to ignore such tripe.

Once again, I truly do appreciate your service to our country. Oh, btw, Christians in the military are saved....how stupid and arrogant for so called Christians to believe otherwise.

Yeah I can envision Jesus and his disciples on a bombing mission if I talk myself into it. Oh yeah. Kill 'em afore they kill us.

JMW[/quote:8808e]

I hope you will recieve this in the spirit in which it is intended. You were created in His image and deserve respect.

There seems to be something missing in you JMW. I've never met you, of course, so all I can go by are the words you write here, and the tone of those words.

I've yet to read one of your posts that has any love, or concern for anyone other than yourself and your points of view. I happen to agree with most of what you have to say, by the way. However, after these many days of reading your posts, I Corth. 1:1-3 seems a set of scriptures you may want to study and perhaps try practicing more.
Perhaps you've never noticed, but I don't believe I'm too terribly wrong when I say nearly everything written in your posts is laced with sarcasim.
You deride me for my beliefs concerning the Iraq war using how you believe Jesus would react....how about what He would say to those who disagree and how He would say it? I hardly believe that is how He would correct me.
You seem to have alot of bible wisdom and understanding, but wisdom and understanding without love isn't much of anything.
We all have a long way to go in learning how to immulate Jesus...I have miles and miles yet, but He isn't done with me nor you.[/quote:8808e]

Its a theological debate board, not a mutual admiration society. People often don't like hearing the truth.

I also find the double standards of people quite amusing.

Killing people is unChristian. We do not fight against flesh and blood.

JMW

 

[Love Jesus]

We don't fight against flesh and blood....except when we're in the debate boards....gloves off then, I suppose. Double standards are interesting.

 

[All-For-God]

[quote="All-For-God":ad20a]and do u support what the us and british soldiers are doing their soldiers taking nude pictures?

[quote="Fish-Cross":ad20a]I support Bush and our government 100%

[/quote:ad20a]What are you talking about?[/quote:ad20a]


You supportt Bush and your government 100% thats what you said. And if you are following the news, reading newspapers you will notice what the soldiers are doing. You support your goverment and Bush becos their only interest is oil is that what your are supporting?

 

[Fantomex]

[/quote]

Its a theological debate board, not a mutual admiration society. People often don't like hearing the truth.

I also find the double standards of people quite amusing.

Killing people is unChristian. We do not fight against flesh and blood.

JMW[/quote]

Luke 3:14
Then some soldiers asked him, "And what should we do?" He replied, "Don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely–be content with your pay."


I dont see any command given to soldiers about having to leave the army when they get saved.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Its a theological debate board, not a mutual admiration society. People often don't like hearing the truth.

I also find the double standards of people quite amusing.

Killing people is unChristian. We do not fight against flesh and blood.

JMW

Luke 3:14
Then some soldiers asked him, "And what should we do?" He replied, "Don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely–be content with your pay."


I dont see any command given to soldiers about having to leave the army when they get saved.

Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And John said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages. But if you have to take an entire country by force and kill several thousand people that would be fine."

First of all who were these men? Roman guards or Jewish temple guard? It is likely the latter since John was only calling Jews and the way to the Gentiles was not opened until the resurrection of Jesus. See Mt 15:24; Acts 10.

You will also note that the way of the Spirit and Christianity was not yet a reality for anyone. Under the Law, the nation of Israel fought to take territory. John was the last prophet of the Law. Christ's death was the end of that old way where nation too nation by force. Now God takes nations by the power of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19. If you want to resort to Old Testament ethics we might as well throw out the New Testament all together.

"For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of strongholds. (2 Cor 10:4).

Christians take territory by the power of love in the Spirit, not the fleshly control of war. We endure persecution; we don't create it or foster it or repay evil with evil.


Early Christians refused to go to war because we take the world not by force but by the love of God. Soldiers were imprisoned for refusing to fight when they had accepted Christ. It was not until Christianity became a Roman Empire state religion that the "just war" concept was conjured up, borrowed from Cicero by Ambrose and finessed for the state church by Augustine. After all, what is the emperor to do when the enemy attacks and he has declared all his subjects must be Christian? He has his empire to control. He needs his Jesus followers to kill his enemies instead of love them.

You will note the early Christians did not fight against those who came to kill them. They went to their death in the name of Jesus.

JMW

 

[Fantomex]

Its a theological debate board, not a mutual admiration society. People often don't like hearing the truth.

I also find the double standards of people quite amusing.

Killing people is unChristian. We do not fight against flesh and blood.

JMW

Luke 3:14
Then some soldiers asked him, "And what should we do?" He replied, "Don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely–be content with your pay."


I dont see any command given to soldiers about having to leave the army when they get saved.

Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And John said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages. But if you have to take an entire country by force and kill several thousand people that would be fine."

First of all who were these men? Roman guards or Jewish temple guard? It is likely the latter since John was only calling Jews and the way to the Gentiles was not opened until the resurrection of Jesus. See Mt 15:24; Acts 10.

You will also note that the way of the Spirit and Christianity was not yet a reality for anyone. Under the Law, the nation of Israel fought to take territory. John was the last prophet of the Law. Christ's death was the end of that old way where nation too nation by force. Now God takes nations by the power of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19. If you want to resort to Old Testament ethics we might as well throw out the New Testament all together.

"For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of strongholds. (2 Cor 10:4).

Christians take territory by the power of love in the Spirit, not the fleshly control of war. We endure persecution; we don't create it or foster it or repay evil with evil.


Early Christians refused to go to war because we take the world not by force but by the love of God. Soldiers were imprisoned for refusing to fight when they had accepted Christ. It was not until Christianity became a Roman Empire state religion that the "just war" concept was conjured up, borrowed from Cicero by Ambrose and finessed for the state church by Augustine. After all, what is the emperor to do when the enemy attacks and he has declared all his subjects must be Christian? He has his empire to control. He needs his Jesus followers to kill his enemies instead of love them.

You will note the early Christians did not fight against those who came to kill them. They went to their death in the name of Jesus.

JMW

Its a good thing Christians a few hundred years ago didnt believe like you did. You would probably belong to the state church of England.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Its a theological debate board, not a mutual admiration society. People often don't like hearing the truth.

I also find the double standards of people quite amusing.

Killing people is unChristian. We do not fight against flesh and blood.

JMW

Luke 3:14
Then some soldiers asked him, "And what should we do?" He replied, "Don't extort money and don't accuse people falsely–be content with your pay."


I dont see any command given to soldiers about having to leave the army when they get saved.

Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And John said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages. But if you have to take an entire country by force and kill several thousand people that would be fine."

First of all who were these men? Roman guards or Jewish temple guard? It is likely the latter since John was only calling Jews and the way to the Gentiles was not opened until the resurrection of Jesus. See Mt 15:24; Acts 10.

You will also note that the way of the Spirit and Christianity was not yet a reality for anyone. Under the Law, the nation of Israel fought to take territory. John was the last prophet of the Law. Christ's death was the end of that old way where nation too nation by force. Now God takes nations by the power of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19. If you want to resort to Old Testament ethics we might as well throw out the New Testament all together.

"For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of strongholds. (2 Cor 10:4).

Christians take territory by the power of love in the Spirit, not the fleshly control of war. We endure persecution; we don't create it or foster it or repay evil with evil.


Early Christians refused to go to war because we take the world not by force but by the love of God. Soldiers were imprisoned for refusing to fight when they had accepted Christ. It was not until Christianity became a Roman Empire state religion that the "just war" concept was conjured up, borrowed from Cicero by Ambrose and finessed for the state church by Augustine. After all, what is the emperor to do when the enemy attacks and he has declared all his subjects must be Christian? He has his empire to control. He needs his Jesus followers to kill his enemies instead of love them.

You will note the early Christians did not fight against those who came to kill them. They went to their death in the name of Jesus.

JMW

Its a good thing Christians a few hundred years ago didnt believe like you
did. You would probably belong to the state church of England.

Yes it is a good thing many people were killed so that nasty thing wouldn't happen and we could belong to any church we like, invent, and promote.

 

[Rogue 9]

Ever try "to help the Iraqi people," maybe? :roll: The news aside, the Iraqis are far better off than they were under a leader who would order mass gassings of his own people.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Ever try "to help the Iraqi people," maybe? :roll: The news aside, the Iraqis are far better off than they were under a leader who would order mass gassings of his own people.

So the first rule of Christianity is "the end justifies the means" so let us do evil that good may result?"

 

[Rogue 9]

[quote="Rogue 9":ee2ae]Ever try "to help the Iraqi people," maybe? :roll: The news aside, the Iraqis are far better off than they were under a leader who would order mass gassings of his own people.

So the first rule of Christianity is "the end justifies the means" so let us do evil that good may result?"[/quote:ee2ae]
Strawman. I did not say that.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

[quote="Jesus My Wisdom":9362b][quote="Rogue 9":9362b]Ever try "to help the Iraqi people," maybe? :roll: The news aside, the Iraqis are far better off than they were under a leader who would order mass gassings of his own people.

So the first rule of Christianity is "the end justifies the means" so let us do evil that good may result?"[/quote:9362b]
Strawman. I did not say that.[/quote:9362b]

Strawman huh? Let us hear what you DID mean then.

JMW

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Strawman means you're not actually arguing against his position but a twisted version of it JMW.
Go here:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Rogue, I would point out that Saddam wasn't carrying out attacks against his own people, he was oppressing the Kurdish minority that lives in northern Iraq.

 

[Rogue 9]

[quote="Rogue 9":e85ab][quote="Jesus My Wisdom":e85ab][quote="Rogue 9":e85ab]Ever try "to help the Iraqi people," maybe? :roll: The news aside, the Iraqis are far better off than they were under a leader who would order mass gassings of his own people.

So the first rule of Christianity is "the end justifies the means" so let us do evil that good may result?"[/quote:e85ab]
Strawman. I did not say that.[/quote:e85ab]

Strawman huh? Let us hear what you DID mean then.

JMW[/quote:e85ab]
I meant exactly what I said. I did not say that the ends justify the means, much less that it is the first rule of Christianity. You said that, and then you attributed it to me and proceeded to attack it. That's a strawman argument, and is not a valid debating tactic.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

So if this does not mean the end jusitifies the means what does it mean? You are saying the Iraqi people are better off now. That implies you are saying the end justifies what USA has is doing.

Ever try "to help the Iraqi people," maybe? The news aside, the Iraqis are far better off than they were under a leader who would order mass gassings of his own people.