Why is USA in Iraq?

[Intoxicated by Life]

Another question- Do you think it's possible to support our troops without supporting the government commanding them?

 

[Fish-Cross]

Well, I went to Iraq to help the Iraqi people gain freedom :D

Do you think that's why you were sent there?

And also, you in a unique position to answer- do you think they're gratefull?

Actually I am not in a position to say if they are grateful or not. I was on a boat and did not come in contact with any Iraqi people.

But I do wholeheatedly believe the reason I was sent was to give those people freedom.

Thanks to everyone who suppourts our troops

I support out troops and government wholeheartedly. Thanks for all you do :wink:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213
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OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms

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Posted: April 26, 2004
1:36 p.m. Eastern

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By Kenneth R. Timmerman
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.

Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all.

But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight.

"There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner.

The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects."

They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence.

"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice.

Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:


A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.

The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."

What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the most dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed failure to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June 2003 Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to international peace and security."

The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents -- much of it added in the last year."

That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted discrepancies in what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for which it no longer could account.

Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for invading Iraq.

But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with labels written in English?

Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to smoking vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory?

Stockpiles found

In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for the Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice working order -- but found all the same.

Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 years, and a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a civilian analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit of the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment for Iraqi WMD scientists.

In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online magazine AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and public information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been found.

Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this evidence, in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting forward since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.

But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly undramatic nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like pesticides, which they indeed resemble.

"Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson says. "In fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the 'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."

The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as CW production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which is used to produce mustard gas.

When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of 'commercial and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army and Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent they have been on the significance of these caches."

Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."

Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath that Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters -- with unpleasant results.

"More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent," Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides. One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The 'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump -- evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."

That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division found 55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass spectrometry analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent.

Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and a mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site.

"Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It seems Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, according to the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that 'no WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"

At Taji -- an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of Columbia -- U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially built containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard 55-gallon drum.

Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of the canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled as pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides stored in ammo dumps."

Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding.

"If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides? Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain nothing from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad things to the enemy."

The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the problem: Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the media and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what Iraq's weapons ought to look like. A senior administration official who has gone through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier reports from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented allegation.

"The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more. But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had happened to their VX stockpiles.

What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage," the official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit of VX gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to one large garage in an area the size of the state of California.

Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will continue as inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and attempt to interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their professional lives to conceal their activities from the outside world.

"The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very conducive," one official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This is not an exercise in spinning or censoring."

YES!!!

 

[Fantomex]

Another question- Do you think it's possible to support our troops without supporting the government commanding them?

Not really, the government approves of the troops funding witch keeps them alive.

 

[Intoxicated by Life]

I find it more than a little interesting that I can't find this news on either msn.com or cnn.com...

 

[Intoxicated by Life]

Not really, the government approves of the troops funding witch keeps them alive.

-and puts them in situations which get them killed.

I guess I should say that I support the people of the armed forces, without supporting the armed forces themselves.

-Another question- feel free not to answer this one- it's rather personal-

Do you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?

 

[Vic C.]

Another question- Do you think it's possible to support our troops without supporting the government commanding them?

I think I know what you are saying and I say yes. In the 70's, I was behind our troops but despised our government for sending them there. Though Viet Nam was a different situation.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Another question- Do you think it's possible to support our troops without supporting the government commanding them?

I think I know what you are saying and I say yes. In the 70's, I was behind our troops but despised our government for sending them there. Though Viet Nam was a different situation.

We can always empathsize with the plight of others.

 

[Fantomex]

[quoteDo you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?[/quote]


OK just so you know, I am not a war monger, war is an ugly thing.

Yes I probably contributed to the death of some innocents, but innocent people die in war. Remember 9/11 when over 3000 innocent americans died?

 

[WiLdAtHeArT]

Intoxicated by Life Posted:

I find it more than a little interesting that I can't find this news on either msn.com or cnn.com...

If you only get your news from the liberal media, chances are you don't know everything. The article (I know it was long, so I don't blame you if you didn't read it all) was about the fact that the media for some reason expects to see HUGE fields full of missles and bombs ready to deploy and filled with chemical agents. Maybe that was the Bush admin.'s fault for saying that Iraq was 'stockpiling' WMDs. But the truth is, one does not have to have warehouses full of chemical agents to have a chemical weapons program.

The truth is we have found some chemical agents and some missiles. The missles were not loaded with chemical or biological agents - and so the liberal news media reports -"Weapons of Mass Destruction Still Not Found."

How can you intellectually say for certain - "Iraq has no WMDs" when:
1. We have not yet searched the entire country
2. We have not yet fully investigated whether they were transferred to Iran or Syria
3. Iraq HAD WMDs, and there is no evidence of them being destroyed.

????

PLEASE SPECIFICALLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION - ALL YOU WHO STILL THINK 'BUSH LIED' AND THAT IRAQ HAS NO WMDs

 

[WiLdAtHeArT]

FYI- Here's the bio on Kenneth Timmerman, the reporter for the above quoted article from Worldnetdaily.com

Senior Writer Kenneth R. Timmerman has been tracking terrorists for 20 years. In 1982, Ken was taken hostage by Yasser Arafat's Fatah guerrillas in Lebanon, and spent 24 days in an underground cell under constant aerial and artillery bombardment. Later in the 1980s he covered the Iran-Iraq war for a variety of U.S. and international media, gaining first-hand knowledge of Iraq's deadly weapons buildup. His third book, The Death Lobby: How the West Armed Iraq (Houghton Mifflin, 1991) was called "our Bible" by Ambassador Rolf Ekeus, chief of the UN Special Commission for the Disarmament of Iraq. In 1998, he tracked renegade Saudi financier Osama Bin Ladin and his international terrorist network to the gates of the White Mountains in Afghanistan. His expose on Bin Ladin appeared in Reader's Digest just weeks before Bin Ladin's terrorists blew up U.S. embassies in Africa. As an unsuccessful candidate in the Republican U.S. Senate primary in Maryland in March 2000, Ken won the endorsement of Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick, Congressman Curt Weldon, and many former Reagan administration officials including Ambassador Richard Armitage (now serving as Deputy Secretary of State), Dr. Dov Zakheim (Undersecretary of Defense) and Peter Rodman (Assistant Secretary of Defense). From 1994-2000, Ken focused on documenting the Clinton administration's sell-off of our national security to foreign interests. His 4th book, Selling Out America, tells the whole story and is prefaced by Congressman Christopher Cox (R,Ca). His fifth book, Shakedown!, was begun as a change of pace, and recounts the life and lies of Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. It will be available as of March 1, 2002 from Regnery Publishing. Ken joined Insight in January 2001. Many of his articles are available on-line in the Insight archive or through his own website.
Ken and his wife have 5 children and have lived in Maryland since 1993, after residing in Europe and the Middle East for 18 years.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Do you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?

OK just so you know, I am not a war monger, war is an ugly thing.

Yes I probably contributed to the death of some innocents, but innocent people die in war. Remember 9/11 when over 3000 innocent americans died?

Let us Christians repay evil with evil? Let us do evil that good may result?

I think not.

JMW

 

[JM]

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

and

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Ever hear of someone fighting a war with only two swords? No. We do see the implied message of Jesus in saying, It is enough. Two swords mean self defense.

jason

 

[Fantomex]

Do you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?

OK just so you know, I am not a war monger, war is an ugly thing.

Yes I probably contributed to the death of some innocents, but innocent people die in war. Remember 9/11 when over 3000 innocent americans died?

Let us Christians repay evil with evil? Let us do evil that good may result?

I think not.

JMW

I think your missing my point. They decalred war on us. We are at war. Its just a matter of fact that innocent people will die.

 

[invictus]

i'm not the smartest man in the world... but this "war" has been going on since 1980. it's over who's got the biggest... bazongaz. i guess after 23 years we see it was GW with the sack to get the "job done."

i support our troops. i really do, my dad is in Baghdad. but i do not support our gov't. our troops have no choice but to do what they're doing. that was there bad as they are now finding out, for being dooped into the GREATEST MILITARY the world has ever known on a promise that they could go to college for free. you see, it's all a big lie that starts in grade school... get good grades so you'll be something in life. you will be what you are in high school, so get good grades. grades are what gets you into college. college is what gets you the job. the job is what gets you money. money is what gets you happiness. ooooooh, you got poor grades and your single mother cant pay your tuition because Uncle Sam is docking her paycheck so badly... we'll tell you what... why don't you WORK and FIGHT for uncle sam, and we'll get you into college. Regret to inform: your son was killed in Iraq fighting another man's war because he was promised a college education... guess we'll use the money we promised him to get someone else to join the military and pick up the gun that your son dropped as he took a bullet in his temple.

i love how the gov't and "blind members" of society say that we're fighting for freedom... they are over there dying to keep us free.... it is for our protection..? umm... WHO'S FREEDOM ARE WE FIGHTING FOR? okay, okay... hussaine (how ever u spell his name) is a bad dude... but we got him. shouldn't we leave now? they don't have the capability to build NUKES so let them kill eachother. we have our own problems to worry about... i'll name a few: HOMELESSNESS, JOBLESSNESS, RISING GAS PRICES, PREGNANCY ISSUES etc... lets start spending that "war money" on our own people who are sick and dying everyday. let the iraqis kill eachother... God will do what He needs to do over there. He'll keep those protected who is in His will to be protected...

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

Do you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?

OK just so you know, I am not a war monger, war is an ugly thing.

Yes I probably contributed to the death of some innocents, but innocent people die in war. Remember 9/11 when over 3000 innocent americans died?

Let us Christians repay evil with evil? Let us do evil that good may result?

I think not.

JMW

I think your missing my point. They decalred war on us. We are at war. Its just a matter of fact that innocent people will die.

Christians fight against flesh and blood now? When did this happen?

And Iraq declared war on USA? When did that happen?

JMW

 

[Fantomex]

[quote="Jesus My Wisdom":e138b]

Do you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?

OK just so you know, I am not a war monger, war is an ugly thing.

Yes I probably contributed to the death of some innocents, but innocent people die in war. Remember 9/11 when over 3000 innocent americans died?

Let us Christians repay evil with evil? Let us do evil that good may result?

I think not.

JMW

I think your missing my point. They decalred war on us. We are at war. Its just a matter of fact that innocent people will die.

Christians fight against flesh and blood now? When did this happen?

And Iraq declared war on USA? When did that happen?

JMW[/quote:e138b]

I guess in your eyes Christians in the military aren’t even saved, that’s ok Ill fight for your right to say that about me while your living in the freedom that we provide.

All the Islamic terrorist have declared war on us.


The war in Iraq is keeping the fight out of America since terrorist from other countries have gone there to fight instead.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

[quote="Jesus My Wisdom":9ba07]

Do you think your service to our country may have contributed to the deaths of any innocent people?

OK just so you know, I am not a war monger, war is an ugly thing.

Yes I probably contributed to the death of some innocents, but innocent people die in war. Remember 9/11 when over 3000 innocent americans died?

Let us Christians repay evil with evil? Let us do evil that good may result?

I think not.

JMW

I think your missing my point. They decalred war on us. We are at war. Its just a matter of fact that innocent people will die.

Christians fight against flesh and blood now? When did this happen?

And Iraq declared war on USA? When did that happen?

JMW

I guess in your eyes Christians in the military aren’t even saved, that’s ok Ill fight for your right to say that about me while your living in the freedom that we provide.

All the Islamic terrorist have declared war on us.


The war in Iraq is keeping the fight out of America since terrorist from other countries have gone there to fight instead.[/quote:9ba07]

True Christians are not those who simply have the freedom to practice Christianity. They are those who practice their faith no matter what the consequences. They don't go around slaughtering others to have the "right."

Iraq did not declare war on USA. That is nothing but a farce.


JMW

 

[Fantomex]

[/quote]

True Christians are not those who simply have the freedom to practice Christianity. They are those who practice their faith no matter what the consequences. They don't go around slaughtering others to have the "right."

Iraq did not declare war on USA. That is nothing but a farce.


JMW[/quote]


Again are you saying Christians in the millitary arent saved?

We didn't go to war with the Iraqi people we went to war with the terrorist regime that oppressed its people.

 

[Jesus My Wisdom]

True Christians are not those who simply have the freedom to practice Christianity. They are those who practice their faith no matter what the consequences. They don't go around slaughtering others to have the "right."

Iraq did not declare war on USA. That is nothing but a farce.


JMW[/quote]


Again are you saying Christians in the millitary arent saved?

We didn't go to war with the Iraqi people we went to war with the terrorist regime that oppressed its people.[/quote]

Whether or not they are saved is not the issue. Whether it is Christian or not to do so is the question.

So now you went to Iraq to save those poor people from oppression? My USA has a lot of work to do in the world being the world's Savior and all.

JMW

 

[Fantomex]

.[/quote]

So now you went to Iraq to save those poor people from oppression? My USA has a lot of work to do in the world being the world's Savior and all.

JMW[/quote]


Sorry to but out a Spider-man quote but with great power comes great responsibility.