Why Paul was so frustrated.

[Kidron]

Paul, tho he was the greatest Christian who ever lived, was also a human being, wrought with issues and problems and prone to being frustrated, just like us.

He became so frustrated with the Hebrews (Jews), because of their stiff necks and prideful and willful continued resistance to the Gospel,.....noted here... in Hebrews 10:26

"""""For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,""""""

That he finally told them this...... Acts 13:46.......

"""""Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye (WILLFULLY) put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles."""""

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It's good to see that you now believe saved people can reject the gospel. Assuming Paul is the author of Hebrews, he had this glowing report about their relationship with God, the one he did not want them to throw away:

"4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
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9 But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though * we are speaking in this way. 10 For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. 11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end, 12 so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Hebrews 6:4-12 NASB)

We can see they are fruitful now, not unfruitful. Fruitfulness that he says accompanies salvation. Which is why he is convinced of better things for them than being burned up in the Judgment. But the warning is also implicit that if they finish with unfruitful land (because they walked away from their salvation) they will be burned in the end, thus showing us a one-time salvation and obedience is not the guarantee that one will be saved on the day of judgment, but that we must be fruitful to the end to know for ourselves that we will be saved on the Day of Judgment.

 

[JohnD]

The frustration of all who have been shown the Truth when trying to share it with those who utterly refuse to see it, accept it, have anything to do with it.

Also, the anemia of Christianity is due in no small part to the abdication of the Jews from the leadership roles they were born and bred for. Not assigning blame. Just making an observation.

 

[Kidron]

The frustration of all who have been shown the Truth when trying to share it with those who utterly refuse to see it, accept it, have anything to do with it.

Yes.<
And in the case of these Hebrews, i think they had seen so MUCH and knew so much......and Paul is responding with a fair warning, as sometimes witnessing can be like that...

 

[Kidron]

Assuming Paul is the author of Hebrews, he had this glowing report about their relationship with God, the one he did not want them to throw away:

"4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away,
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9 But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, .

He is not even talking about the same group.

in 4, he is talking about "those" >others< who fall away.

In 9 he is referring to them as "you" who are listening now.

Look, here is the main problem with what you are trying to tell us.
You are not continuing to read in Hebrews past Ch 6: vs 9.
If you do, if you read Chap 7, 8, 9, as you should, you will see that Paul is preaching the entire story of Jesus, including showing them that there is a New Covenant.......and he finally tells them this, among other things.....

""""How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"""""

So, Paul is telling these Hebrews the Gospel,... and would not be telling them these intricate Gospel details about their MESSIAH if they already KNEW and were saved.

Read Ch 6-9 and not just chapter 6..... as Paul's extended sermon to these unsaved Jews (Hebrews) is very very detailed attempt to convince them that Jesus IS their Messiah.
And he would not be telling them this, explaining it this way, if they were already saved as you are saying.

 

[By Grace]

Paul, tho he was the greatest Christian who ever lived, was also a human being, wrought with issues and problems and prone to being frustrated, just like us.

He became so frustrated with the Hebrews (Jews), because of their stiff necks and prideful and willful continued resistance to the Gospel,.....noted here... in Hebrews 10:26

That he finally told them this...... Acts 13:46.......

You make the error of false attribution twice in this post.
Since no one can prove that Paul is the author of Hebrews, it is impossible to say "Paul was frustrated when he wrote ... in Hebrews.
I may be wrong; please correct me if I am, but due to your language and quote from Acts, you seem to believe that Paul, not Luke wrote Acts.

 

[Kidron]

You make the error of false attribution twice in this post.
Since no one can prove that Paul is the author of Hebrews, it is impossible to say "Paul was frustrated when he wrote ... in Hebrews.
I may be wrong; please correct me if I am, but due to your language and quote from Acts, you seem to believe that Paul, not Luke wrote Acts.

And yes, no one can prove that Paul wrote the Hebrew Letter, but the consensus is that Paul probably did.
But you know this is similar to a preacher or priest or minister standing up in a pulpit and correcting the bible by saying this..
"now right here, in the ORIGINAL GREEK....its actually said".........and that is a lie........as there is no original greek text.
There are only copies and pieces.
There are about 30 "greek texts", and non of them are original, but this does not keep people in Pulpits from telling you "the original greek says".
So, you know By Grace, some things, you just have to accept, and one of them is that it could be that Paul wrote the Hebrew letter.
So, for the sake of this Thread's topic......lets just agree to agree he did while we both know that maybe he didnt
So, anyway....Luke wrote something that Paul said and did.
It was Paul who said he was going to the gentiles, and it is Paul who is the gentile apostle.......so, that kinda works out
This is why the book is called the "Acts of the Apostles", and not just "Acts".
See, its someone's "acts", and these "someones" are the Apostles.
The verse i quoted was what Paul said, according to Luke.

 

[By Grace]

And yes, no one can prove that Paul wrote the Hebrew Letter, but the consensus is that Paul probably did.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. But quoting an ambiguous "consensus" does not establish something as an indisputable fact

But you know this is similar to a preacher or priest or minister standing up in a pulpit and correcting the bible by saying this..
"now right here, in the ORIGINAL GREEK....its actually said".........and that is a lie........as there is no original greek text.
There are only copies and pieces.
There are about 30 "greek texts", and non of them are original, but this does not keep people in Pulpits from telling you "the original greek says".

If you want to learn mopre about this subject, I suggest you read and study Recent Perspectives on the Reliability of the Gospels by Gary Habermas, professor emeritus at Liberty HERE. There is much to that article, but due to good scholarship, it is easy to see when texturak variants were made, and how they were spread. It is possible to now say, "This is exactly what the Apostle wrote..." and be sure to a .995 (or greater) degree of accuracy

So, you know By Grace, some things, you just have to accept, and one of them is that it could be that Paul wrote the Hebrew letter.
So, for the sake of this Thread's topic......lets just agree to agree he did while we both know that maybe he didnt
So, anyway....Luke wrote something that Paul said and did.
It was Paul who said he was going to the gentiles, and it is Paul who is the gentile apostle.......so, that kinda works out
This is why the book is called the "Acts of the Apostles", and not just "Acts".
See, its someone's "acts", and these "someones" are the Apostles.
The verse i quoted was what Paul said, according to Luke.

I gave you my opinion, and the reasons for me believing as I do. Accept it or not. I will not change.

 

[Kidron]

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. But quoting an ambiguous "consensus" does not establish something as an indisputable fact

I gave you my opinion, and the reasons for me believing as I do. Accept it or not. I will not change.

Well first of all, i didnt say that Paul wrote the letter
i said "probably", as thats about as close to it as we can get.
And thank you for the link.
I appreciate it.
I studied manuscript evidence when i was in Seminary and after, so, im a bit familiar with the process.
And of course, i understand you have your opinion, and certainly you have the right to have it.
As for me here....., ive stated the scriptures and tried to keep the point on topic.
Paul certainly told the Jews he was taking the Gospel to the Gentiles.


46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

 

[Obadiah]

Let's get back to the original topic. If you guys want to discuss who was the author of Acts, that would be a good topic for another thread. But the topic of this thread is a question of why Paul seemed to be frustrated.

 

[childeye]

It's frustrating to show people that think they see, that they are in fact blind, when I clearly do see, and they think I am blind. There is semantic confusion between the Old and New Covenants.
Luke 11:34-35New International Version (NIV)
34 Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are healthy,[a]your whole body also is full of light. But when they are unhealthy,[b]your body also is full of darkness.35 See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.

 

[JohnD]

The frustration of all who have been shown the Truth when trying to share it with those who utterly refuse to see it, accept it, have anything to do with it.

Also, the anemia of Christianity is due in no small part to the abdication of the Jews from the leadership roles they were born and bred for. Not assigning blame. Just making an observation.

Forgot to add, Paul's passion was first to Christ then to the salvation of Jews and then of Gentiles.

Truth is a frustrating business in a fallen world.

 

[JLB]

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"""""

To those who repent.

7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.1 John 1:7

JLB