Why Preach Repentance with the Gospel ?

[eddif]

Luke 24:47 KJV
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Repentance
Remission of sins
Baptism of Holy Spirit

Father, Son, Holy Spirit so close in agreement, and yet seen as seperate.

The power to witness about repentance and eternal life awaits Pentecost; much like John taught repentance and believe in the one who comes after me.

The Kingdom contains all elements.

I will slow down.

eddif

 

[Hospes]

Well, since "repent" actually means "to change your mind". It is totally necessary to change your mind about what you thought would redeem you previously, and now decide that it is only belief in Jesus Christ that will do that.

I agree. Repentance is not the turning from evil toward good. Turning from evil toward good is the fruit of repentance. This fruit comes as the normal consequence of repentance, but to mistake the fruit for the actual tree from which it comes is an error possibly leading to a person "having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power." (2 Timothy 3:5 ESV)

Furthermore, repentance,i.e. the changing of the mind, is a gift from God.

...God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. (2 Timothy 2:25-26 ESV)​

 

[Radagast]

If that is the case then why post in response it? In order to discuss something you should understand what you're reading. That's why I always ask posters did they understand the points made in the Op.

Well, if you're unwilling to explain what you meant, there is indeed no point in discussion.

 

[Radagast]

I agree. Repentance is not the turning from evil toward good.

Q: What is repentance unto life?
A: Repentance unto life is a saving grace (Acts 11:18), whereby a sinner, out of a true sense of his sin (Acts 2:37-38), and apprehension of the mercy of God in Christ (Joel 2:13), doth, with grief and hatred of his sin, turn from it unto God (Jeremiah 31:18-19), with full purpose of, and endeavour after, new obedience (2 Corinthians 7:11, Psalm 119:59). -- Westminster Shorter Catechism #87

 

[eddif]

II Chronicals 7:14 KJV
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

In combination with
Verses 19-20
19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

The temporal nature of OT OC turning from sins is seen.

However if you read verses 15-18 and realize that Jesus seated on the right hand of the Father as the Eternal son of David; then the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus brings eternity into the picture.

John baptized with water, and Jesus baptized with Holy Spirit and fire.

The Great Commission (redneck version)

Get um aware of sin - Repentance
Preach Jesus - Remission of sins
Get um empowered - Baptism Holy Spirit

Teach all things.

eddif

 

[turnorburn]

Isn't repentance answering the call in the affirmative?

 

[brother Paul]

Only one seeking the remission of sins would repent. Even accepting the gospel and receiving Christ requires a repentance form one's former unbelief.

God would never demand of us something we are incapable of doing. When carnally minded we cannot please Him but this does not mean we cannot seek to or desire to and when He sees this is your will He empowers you. It is God who makes the spirit in a man and God does make little devils but He has given unto us free moral choice. When He inspires by the word or Spirit He requires a response such that if we do so He then brings us along.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world (not for God was so angry at the world) that He gave His only begotten Son…

Romans 5:8 But God shows his love for us (not His wrath) in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. This Christ’s death was an action of the love of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath (we are children of “orge” – children of anger, and natural disposition, temper, indignation, agitation – this speaks of our character, not God’s anger at us because of a sense of a need to satisfy His justice), just as the others.

4 But God (now we address His attitude toward us), who IS rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us (loved as in past tense – while we were in our sins -notice it says nothing off His vehement hatred or anger at us), 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us (not wrath toward us)in Christ Jesus.

1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us (while we were still in out sin He loved us, and was not filled with wrath toward us).

Those who see man as inherently evil enemies of God miss the point and must ignore or re-interpret far too many scriptures.

Note in John 1:12 when it says "to as many as received Him, He gives the power to BECOME the children of God" Not "to as many as He made the children of God will receive Him"

Behold (He says) I stand at the door and knock and whoever opens the door I will come and dine with them....not whoever I dine with will come and open the door unto me

Though a wrath crowd love Ephesians 1 they always stop short and leave off the summary conclusion in verses 13 and 14 which say "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" not before....after His urging to all through the cross (after you heard the word, the gospel) you trusted...after you believed you were sealed (not before)

Oh well....

 

[Mike]

If that is the case then why post in response it? In order to discuss something you should understand what you're reading. That's why I always ask posters did they understand the points made in the Op.

This response is nonsensical. Radagast used that post to say he didn't understand the OP, which answers your question above. Please don't be disingenuous. If someone gives you a detailed response to disagree with your statement, you can assume they understood it. If they say they don't understand it, you can assume they don't. See? Easy. No need to ask if anyone understood your post or scripture you've provided.

 

[childeye]

So getting back to this repentance from, sin, the devil, unbelief, carnal mind, evil, wickedness, however you want to say it, I recall this scripture,
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I notice that the reason we can't sin is because His seed remains in us. This seed is therefore the key to repentance. Speaking for myself, I Love God's Spirit of Love, so I am never willingly wanting to treat others as I would not want to be treated, just like the scripture says. But I still do have thoughts that are not Godly, and I only notice them thanks to the Holy Spirit, Who then corrects my thinking. Glory to God!

 

[beloved57]

Well, if you're unwilling to explain what you meant, there is indeed no point in discussion.

I will explain if you understand what you're reading. Did you understand the points in the Op ? I was explaining then.

 

[eddif]

We all make up the body of Christ; just as our body has many parts (built the way it is - to teach through hidden things). Romans 1:19-20

If I am say (? a kidney), and understand my function. That in no means says that I understand how a liver functions, or how an eye or ear does its job. The Romans passage kind of leaves some of this up to the individual (with God's leading).

The Greek language ( which I do not know) can help understand a lot of passages, but it has to be handled correctly (that other tongue some do not like to hear ?).

The body removes toxins and waste products. The body gathers food. The body seeks oxygen and eliminates carbon dioxide. The inner man eliminates anger, hatred, etc.

Some final judgements are done at judgement day. Till that day we struggle to totally understand photosynthesis, and the complex energy conversion of the liver.

I have tried at times multiple times to explain a thing that seems so clear to me. Then one day without another word from me, the person says I got it (trying to avoid another of my long winded explanations a foot does not understand).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[beloved57]

We all make up the body of Christ; just as our body has many parts (built the way it is - to teach through hidden things). Romans 1:19-20

If I am say (? a kidney), and understand my function. That in no means says that I understand how a liver functions, or how an eye or ear does its job. The Romans passage kind of leaves some of this up to the individual (with God's leading).

The Greek language ( which I do not know) can help understand a lot of passages, but it has to be handled correctly (that other tongue some do not like to hear ?).

The body removes toxins and waste products. The body gathers food. The body seeks oxygen and eliminates carbon dioxide. The inner man eliminates anger, hatred, etc.

Some final judgements are done at judgement day. Till that day we struggle to totally understand photosynthesis, and the complex energy conversion of the liver.

I have tried at times multiple times to explain a thing that seems so clear to me. Then one day without another word from me, the person says I got it (trying to avoid another of my long winded explanations a foot does not understand).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

What does all this have to do with the points made in the OP ?

 

[eddif]

What does all this have to do with the points made in the OP ?

Hopefully I pointed out you understand what you said, but others (with a little different mindset) have to struggle to understand your train of thought.

As we grow we sometimes see much more.

I was once almost totally a left brain thinker, but after a time have a little more right brain thinking. The treasures of the Gentiles are stored up for those who believe (if you can see this concept OT left hand slingers). It can be cash money or it can be all foods declared clean ( a time warp one new man thought).

I can just shut up if you want.

eddif

 

[Hospes]

Q: What is repentance unto life?
A: Repentance unto life is a saving grace (Acts 11:18), whereby a sinner, out of a true sense of his sin (Acts 2:37-38), and apprehension of the mercy of God in Christ (Joel 2:13), doth, with grief and hatred of his sin, turn from it unto God (Jeremiah 31:18-19), with full purpose of, and endeavour after, new obedience (2 Corinthians 7:11, Psalm 119:59). -- Westminster Shorter Catechism #87

Note that the statement is describing the tree and the fruit. The tree is "a sinner, out of a true sense of his sin, and apprehension of the mercy of God in Christ, doth, with grief and hatred of his sin" the fruit of repentance is "turn from it unto God." Also, note the tree is not something we can gin up of ourselves; it requires an act of God.

 

[Deborah13]

Isn't repentance answering the call in the affirmative?

:nod

Poem by the Rev. Charles Wesley
“God, the offended God most high,
Ambassadors to rebels sends;
His messengers his place supply,
And Jesus begs us to be friends.
Us, in the stead of Christ, they pray,
Us, in the stead of Christ, entreat,
To cast our arms, our sins, away,
And find forgiveness at his feet.
Our God, in Christ, thine embassy
And proffer’d mercy we embrace;
And, gladly reconciled to thee,
Thy condescending mercy praise.
Poor debtors, by our Lord’s request
A full acquittance we receive;
And criminals, with pardon blest,
We, at our Judge’s instance, live.”

 

[Malachi]

Isn't repentance answering the call in the affirmative?

That is one side of repentance. The other side is forsaking sins and idols.
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; (1 Thess 1:9).

 

[beloved57]

Repentance was to be preached in order that it might be manifested whom Christ as Savior gave it to Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

If Christ is Our Savior He gives us repentance, or brings us to repent.

 

[beloved57]

Hopefully I pointed out you understand what you said, but others (with a little different mindset) have to struggle to understand your train of thought.

As we grow we sometimes see much more.

I was once almost totally a left brain thinker, but after a time have a little more right brain thinking. The treasures of the Gentiles are stored up for those who believe (if you can see this concept OT left hand slingers). It can be cash money or it can be all foods declared clean ( a time warp one new man thought).

I can just shut up if you want.

eddif

Did you understand the OP ?

 

[beloved57]

Limited Atonement is part of the Gospel !

Can one believe the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3-4 apart from believing the L in Tulip, Limited or Particular Atonement/Redemption ? The answer is No Way Possible ! Because the sins Christ died for are for a particular people, Namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15, or we can say His People Matt 1:21, or His Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Or His Church Eph 5:25, or the Many Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So it doesn't matter if one appeals to 1 Cor 15:3-4 to profess a belief in the Gospel, if they dont wholeheartedly embrace Limited Atonement, Particular redemption for only a remnant of mankind, they do not believe the Gospel of 1 Cor 15:3-4 ! Neither is the Gospel Preached if its no proclaiming of Limited Atonement, without it being emphasized !

 

[childeye]

Limited Atonement is part of the Gospel !

Can one believe the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3-4 apart from believing the L in Tulip, Limited or Particular Atonement/Redemption ? The answer is No Way Possible ! Because the sins Christ died for are for a particular people, Namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15, or we can say His People Matt 1:21, or His Seed Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Or His Church Eph 5:25, or the Many Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

So it doesn't matter if one appeals to 1 Cor 15:3-4 to profess a belief in the Gospel, if they dont wholeheartedly embrace Limited Atonement, Particular redemption for only a remnant of mankind, they do not believe the Gospel of 1 Cor 15:3-4 ! Neither is the Gospel Preached if its no proclaiming of Limited Atonement, without it being emphasized !

The Gospel does divide, as it is meant to. But I see a danger when addressing a phrase such as "limited atonement", since it is also describing a limit to God's mercy. Of course, how one views what form that mercy comes in, will further define the issue. But who can say what that limit is, or if there is one? What if God is creating priests to intercede on behalf of those who have not obtained mercy? Isn't that a possibility?