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Why should many lack?
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Kenny_ms
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Laziness?
I'd say that's at least one reason.
For the ones who are not lazy but unable the ones who are able are supposed to help them according to the God who owns it all and yeah, both those might fall into the category of sin.
And for those who aren't lazy, work hard daily and are good Christians/people as good people go, yes they are often lacking as well and sometimes it seems for no good reason but the sin of their greedy employer.
As for sin itself holding us back, there are all kinds of sinful non Christians with a lot of money however they are lacking still but that's not the type "lacking" you are talking about. As to Christians that may be sinning more than they should, I think it's possible they aren't being blessed as they would like to be or are even lacking.
I'd say that's at least one reason.
For the ones who are not lazy but unable the ones who are able are supposed to help them according to the God who owns it all and yeah, both those might fall into the category of sin.
And for those who aren't lazy, work hard daily and are good Christians/people as good people go, yes they are often lacking as well and sometimes it seems for no good reason but the sin of their greedy employer.
As for sin itself holding us back, there are all kinds of sinful non Christians with a lot of money however they are lacking still but that's not the type "lacking" you are talking about. As to Christians that may be sinning more than they should, I think it's possible they aren't being blessed as they would like to be or are even lacking.
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Christ_empowered
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the gap between the haves and the have nots is growing in a lot of places. In fact, even among the "haves," the top tier of those people control more than the rest. Crazy, huh?
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Brother Mike
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Job_36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.
Your answer.
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Many reasons, most notable of which is God is sovereign and he pours out rain on both the righteous and unrighteous (Matthew 5:45).
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Actually, that goes against the entire context and message of Job. God rebukes Job's friends for thinking that very thought. The whole point of Job is to show that that is false--God what do what he wills to whomever he pleases.
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Brother Mike
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If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
(Isa 1:19-20)
And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
(Luk 19:17)
Obey God, stay in the poverty land:
Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
(Gen 26:3-4)
Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him. And the man waxed great, and went forward, and grew until he became very great:
(Gen 26:12-13)
Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments. His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed. Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever.
(Psa 112:1-3)
Here you go free if something Elihu quoted was not good enough.
BTW FREE
Elihu was the youngest, and the only one that Spoke right about God, and the Only One that Job did not have to sacrifice for and who God did not rebuke.
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.
(Job 42:7-9)
You see Elihu mentioned here anywhere?????
Time to ditch that Hermeneutics that messes you up so much. Lord knows, I have tried to help you.
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Kenny_ms
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I saw the movie "Daniel" a few days ago and was a little surprised 1 or more of the major unGodly kings spoken of got to where they were by God prospering them. The king was oblivious to the fact.
God is not going to force equal division of wealth on the planet. I believe there is more than enough to make every man, woman and child at least well off enough to be happy but it's up to us to make that happen and it won't. It will when the earth is ruled by God, ... even then, it may be a matter of the harder you work the more you get, but everyone will be paid a fair wage, if it's even a wage type system.
Work hard, within reason, love and show you love God, use the gray matter God gave you, have a little faith in yourself and you'll likely do ok, and may even thrive.
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Everything you have just posted is out of context, especially Job. It is entirely irrelevant that Elihu wasn't mentioned; all the other friends made the same statements. The first two chapters, along with God's final response to Job, clearly lay out that Job was righteous and what happened to him was allowed by God to test him. I strongly suggest you read Job through and gain an understanding of what it is about. It is very clear that Job was righteous, which was the whole point of testing him and allowing all that befell him. The point of the entire book is that God is sovereign and will do what he wants.
Context is everything.
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Brother Mike
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No the point is your Sovereign Doctrine can't seem to understand that if Elihu was not in trouble with God, and not corrected then what I posted is relevant. Also, I have read Job many times, and you missed the Point that only what Job Greatly feared came on him, and you would know how many times through scripture we are warned to fear not, and be not afraid. Job was not tested, Job gave a place to the enemy.
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Not according to God.
There is absolutely nothing in Job’s statement of Job 3:25 “For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me” that brought forth one thing he experienced.
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
My friend Gene Hawkins wrote the following concerning excerpt from a study.
Another example such as that is the man Job, and you notice those verses, (Job 1:12) and (Job 2:2-7). What I want to see about this, is that Job found himself in a circumstance beyond his control. Do you realize that Job was never invited to the conference between God and Satan? It was God and Satan, and Satan requesting Job that he might first take away all of his possessions, and then that he might take away his health. Nobody asked Job about that, and I'm sure he wouldn't have given his permission if they had, but you see, this was beyond his control. Now what I would like to see here, and what we must realize is that this difficulty with Job has been discussed so many times, and there are people that are just determined to find out why Job was tried the way he was. So often it goes back to when Job said, "The thing which I greatly feared has come upon me," and so people zero in on that and they say see there, that’s why God allowed Satan to do it, is because Job feared. Whatever you fear, that’s what's coming, but that's not the reason. If you read the record, God said to Satan, (Job 2:3) "You have moved Me against him without cause." This is what I want to notice first of all, people want to think there has to be such a cause, because they do not want to realize that there may be some things in their lives beyond their control. In other words, if I do it all right, ward off this fear that Job had, really stay in communion and fellowship with God, and I don't allow anything to come into my life that would justify such a thing, then I won't have to go through that. Forget it, God made a corporate decision in Job's life, and don't be surprised if God makes some corporate decisions in your life. He can allow things beyond your control and our recourse is really what Job's was, and that is to take it specifically from the hand of the Lord; this is what God has chosen for my life. Job was sick because circumstance beyond his control put him in that condition, and God will work that way in our lives also, but like Job, we must have such confidence in God that we know He's doing it for our good, and we are going to come out on top regardless.
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Brother Mike
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God is quoted having written 58 times to fear not.
48 times to be not afraid.
Only those things Job feared happened to him. Jesus hated fear, and got mad if His disciples showed any signs of it.
We are told not to fear far more than stealing, or committing adultery.
For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
(Job 3:25-26)
Now if you have the idea that it's OK to ignore God after being told something so many times, and Satan not have a rightful place, you have more issues that you need to go before the Lord and get sorted. It's a very serious matter to think that.
Let me tell you something. Satan told God to harm Job, the lying thief with zero truth in him had the nerve to ask God that. All God did is say pay attention stupid, I am not harming Job, he is in your power.
You think God, who crucified his Son for us, helped us in so many ways would contract a lying and disobedient Angel to Murder a mans kids that served him. To even think that about God, it's time to repent.
You go ask God why He had the mans kids murdered. Go ahead. We have never lost a child, I can imagine the pain that would bring, Job having no sons to carry his name meant something big time back then. You have no idea.
Read what Job did, Read what Theme Satan put in Job's head, read what Elihu said. I have, over and over and over.
need a break.
I do love you Deborah, despite your aggravating and sometimes shocking in some things you believe.
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Do you think God owns all of Bill Gates' wealth? What about the king of Saudi Arabia's billions?
Could some of this 'lack' be related to the worldviews of governments and cultures that do not promote equity and allow some to suffer?
See 'Hinduism's beliefs about suffering'. If we examine some of the religions of the world, including Buddhism, spiritism and Christianity, we should see their various perspectives on suffering.
For me as a Christian, I see 2 primary emphases:
- Compassion, love and care for others (love your neighbour as yourself, Mark 12:31 NLT), and
- Suffering has a special purpose in refining the believer (see James 1:2-4 NASB), 'Consider it pure joy when you encounter various trials...'
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Brother Mike
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Well, Gene is pretty Smart there, and am somewhat impressed. I have spent years examining Job. In fact it was in 1999, meditating on Mark 4 when the Lord spoke. I will never forget how he said it. "You know, I had nothing to do with what happened to Job."
Being stupid back then, I said, "Lord you gave the devil permission to harm Job."
The Lord answered back and said. "I never did no such thing you study Job, the whole thing and compare my whole word and I'll reveal it to you."
Six moths of study, and I still was no closer, this is what religious brain washing does. However as time past, bits would come, and more and more made perfect sense.
Our God does not send lying spirits to murder family members of those that obey him. God does not even take pleasure in the wicked perishing, let alone someone that serves him.
Your friend is right Eugene. Job had no revelation of Satan, no idea what the heck happened and why. Had no idea that living in fear would get you into trouble and God warned and warned about fear and being afraid.
Job is not a book about Why something happened. We can be doing something ignorantly know that gives the devil a place. We could be doing right, and the righteous of Christ will suffer persecutions. The why is not important. What to do when things go wrong is important.
Job never asked God for help, not one time. Not the thing to do.
As Jesus said, the flood comes those firm on the word, and those that are not, having their house in the sand. We don't need to know why, unless God reveals it to us and we need to change something. We just need to trust God to survive the flood.
As God told Satan, harming Job is without cause, no purpose in it. God won't violate his own Word though to stop Satan for us, if we break God's Word and not take heed to the Warnings. I doubt Job had those warnings, and why God had so much mercy on him.
blessings, and thank you for sharing what your friend said.
Mike
Deborah13
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Funny, I feel that exact same way about you.
Now down to business.....
If you think the common belief is that Job sinned and that is why satan could attack him, you are wrong. Statics wise, I win. :biggrin
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Brother Mike
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Funny, I feel that exact same way about you.
Now down to business.....
If you think the common belief is that Job sinned and that is why satan could attack him, you are wrong. Statics wise, I win. :biggrin
If you read Eugene's post and mine. Job did nothing wrong but had no revelation of trusting God, and Job was full of fear. He feared the Chaladeans, the Sabeans. Job was never at rest he said, and not in Safety. Job also was listening to Satan.
Satan always has a theme Deborah. He goes through them to see which one we buy into. Job bought into curse God and die. Satan had job so afraid he was going to loose his children, Job sacrificed for those kids constantly, worried they might have cursed God. Job had no idea.
Thing is, God stood up on Job's behalf. Job had been obeying Satan though fear, you can't do that and expect things to go well. Jesus was not happy with fear either. They where in that boat and Jesus rebuked that storm and it says then they where exceedingly fearful. Did not make him happy at all. Same with Peter being afraid of the wind and water. Jesus was not to happy about that either.
First thing Jesus said to Jairus was "Fear NOT, only believe" There is a very good reason God harped on fear. He wants to keep us out of the hands of the spirit of fear.
I hate religion Deborah. Even with zero understanding of God's hate of fear and unbelief, It's only someone that does not know God that could even think God would give permission to a lying devil who was lying through his teeth to God in Blasphemy saying, God you hurt Job.
Satan never asked God permission to get Job, read over it again. Both God and Satan know that Job had been obeying Satan and laying awake at night not in rest, afraid if He got sick, he could not care for everything, afraid his children might be killed by God. Neither one was in the dark about it. God knew exactly why Satan was there.
If you read the OT, it's normally God calls Satan. The have disobeyed me, have at them. God's battleaxe, His judgement. It was not like that with Job, God said Job was upright, there is no purpose to harm Job. Satan then tries to convince God that the only reason Job serves him is because Job likes the money, so you hurt him God. That was a lie, the accuser lying again, no truth in him (John 8:44)
Our God is not like that Deborah. God has spared us of many things, and no other place in the bible God does what people accuse him of doing what he did to Job. Not one place.
Now if the Chaldeans and Sabeans come to get David's livestock, it would have been written a whole different way. Job was not like David, he was very humble and very timid.
OK, if you got this far, you read your novel for the day.
Blessings. and please reexamine Job, ask God. Job is such an obstacle used by Satan to harm many people's faith in God, Taught wrong by religious and ignorant fools who do not even know God, but He is some character in a book called the bible.
I have prayer video to work on. I guess just get it done, and be happy about it.
Mike
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Kenny_ms
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You sure that was God? I mean with the improper English and all?
And as I've told you already, many of us aren't going to allow you to be right just because you say God told you. Again, if that were the case, and people bought that, I could win every argument on this board citing, "God told me so". Some might believe you but I'd guess the majority are just going to say Hmmm?
On the Fear Not subject...Mike, Is it possible God just said that because people feared and anyone who stated fear not was just being kind because they didn't want the person or persons to fear? And that God really had no intention of allowing or even bringing punishment on anyone simply because they feared something?
Anyway, that's an interesting take on that, absurd but interesting, and one I would expect form you but had no idea others read that into the Bible.
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