SputnikBoy said:
I’m not so sure about that …can’t one purchase their way out of purgatory? We ARE talking about a day that was officially abolished by the RCC and a counterfeit day installed in its place. So, maybe it isn’t God from whom we should worry about falling from grace.
farley: The proper day of worship for us, under this new covenant, is clearly taught here...
Got a copy of the Catechism handy? By the term “for us†…do you mean the puppets of the Roman Catholic Church? Read the RC Catechism and it will tell you where Sunday came from. Now, this should bring OC out of the woodwork protesting vehemently (Hi OC!) that a few human beings took it on themselves to make Sunday a ‘holy day’ before the Edict of Constantine.
Per your request, I'll simply respond as you wish- Your statement of history here is completely fabricated.
So the RCC is lying about it having the authority to initiate 'holy days'? It DOES say that IT was responsible for having changed the day of solemnity from the 7th to the 1st-day. It also states (rather smugly) as to how mainstream Christianity followed its lead, thereby confirming its authority to initiate 'holy days'. So, where is the fabrication?
Aside from the typical SDA attempt to pit Protestant against Catholic,
Not so. It isn't a matter of pitting anyone against another. They are your words, OC. I find SDAs, in fact, to show far less animosity toward Catholics than do other denominations. It's a matter of presenting the facts. I personally have nothing against Catholics as people. I have Catholic friends. I DO believe that they 'belong' to a tainted religious system. When it comes to the final shakedown, however, I'm sure there will be many Catholics (and those of other denominations) among the saved. Conversely, I'm sure there will be many SDAs missing who only thought they were saved.
your statements have no value.
They are not MY statements. I don't go out of my way to fabricate information.
As any person who has read the writings of the ante-Nicene fathers will tell you, Constantine
who worshipped Mithra, the sungod
simply made it possible for Christians to enjoy the whole (Kyriaki) Sunday.
Thereby compromizing both Christianity and pagan on the pagan day of worship of the sun.
His proclamation was made to many people who had no idea what The Lord's Day or First Day or Sabbath was- so he used language familiar to them, calling it "the venerable day of the sun."
But of course.
Christians had worshippped on this day dating back to the Apostles, including those scriptures that you attempt to contextualize.
All humor aside, I have to seriously question the intelligence of ANYONE who can get "God initiated a new Holy Day" out of those two straight-forward, self-explanatory scriptures! No dunce caps, no corners ...this is out and out foolishness. To even CONSIDER that anyone would read those two scriptures 'from scratch' and conclude, "Oh, sounds like the Sabbath is gone and Sunday is a new holy day!" is Ludicrous with a capital "L". BUT, those two scriptures are ALL you have to play with, OC. So, as long as they've been given the 'Sunday - new 'holy day' definition by 'the hierarchy' the Christian plebs will fall for it hook, line and sinker. And, they HAVE!
200 years before Constantine was born, the early Christian writings- and those of Jews who anathemized the Christian sect- spoke of Christians gathering together on the day of Resurrection.
But I argue yet again with you, OC, that not only are you making exaggerated use of the writings of a FEW early Christians who had not a clue as to what 'the Lord's Day' meant so they decided to give it a definition - Sunday - but you're also ignoring the fact that God and God ONLY can initiate a holy day. That is, apart from the RCC, of course!
Why do we automatically assume that human beings were given specific priviledges by virtue of the fact they lived way back in antiquity? Why can't WE today initiate a 'holy day' to commemorate an important occasion? Hey, why not SATURDAY ...now THAT day is important. That's the day God rested at Creation! By the way, for those that are interested, the Lord's (Holy) Day is the Sabbath (Isaiah 58:13-14).
We Orthodox continue in the pracices of the early Church.
Since Christ is our perpetual Passover, we perpetually celebrate the Day of Firstfruits. In like fashion, every Wednesday we fast, for it is the day that Judas went to the make arrangements to betray Jesus. Every Paraskevi, preparation day, beginning in the morning we fast and remember His passion. Every Sabbaton, which the Anglos call Saturday, we remember Him lying asleep in the Tomb. And on Kyriaki, the Lord's Day, we remeber and relive His revivication of the entire cosmos.
But go ahead, play at being Jews- it gives you something to Lord over all the other Western Christians who have completely abandoned Semitic Christian root.
Semitic Christian root is not the only thing they've abandoned, OC, so please don't exalt Western Christianity too highly. Oh, by the way, I also play Jew in regard to murder, stealing, adultery, coveting (well ...) etc. I sure hope you do too, OC.
