Why Trins do not understand John 2:19

[Adams son]

"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."

What Jesus says in the Gospel of John:

The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. (John 14:24).


For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God (3:34).

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do nothing of himself (5:19).

My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me. (7:16-18).


Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing from myself but as my Father teaches me I speak. (8:28).

For I do not speak out of myself. The Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak. (12:49).

The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself but the Father who abides in me does his works. (14:10).

I have given them the words which You gave me, and they have received them and know in truth that I came from you and they have believed that you have sent me.(17:8).

[YAHWEH]: I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren, and I will put MY words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. (Deuteronomy 18:18)

Moses said, "The Lord God [YAHWEH] will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. (Acts 7:22 RSV).

When they deliver you up, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say; for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you." (Matthew 10:19).

The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. (John 14:24).

His Words were not his own but the Father who was in him, the Spirit of the Father speaking in Jesus.

The Jews has asked by what authority Jesus cleared the temple. He answers them. It is by the authority of the Spirit of His God in him, just as Christians have authority by the Spirit of God. It was the Spirit of his Father speaking through him, just as he himself testifies thorugh the Gospel of John. His authority was by the Holy Spirit of his Father that was in him and the same Spirit of God his Father by which he was raised from the dead, the power of the Father.

 

[Free]

lol! Now you are really stretching things. Here is something else that the Father apparently said:

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Matt. 24:36)

"Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, `Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour." (John 17:27)

"I" means "I" Adams son.

 

[Adams son]

lol! Now you are really stretching things. Here is something else that the Father apparently said:

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Matt. 24:36)

"Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, `Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour." (John 17:27)

"I" means "I" Adams son.

As usual, you seek to nullify the Scriptures for the sake of your tradition and offer nothing of substance. Yeah, you go ahead and forget that Jn 2:19 is from the Gospel of John, the gospel where Jesus reminds his followers over and over and over that his words were not his own but the Father's who sent him. You go ahead and ignore Jesus' words.

They ask by what "AUTHORITY" that he cleared the temple. Did you ever read this verse Free?

For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own authority. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father. (John 10:17-18).


What does Jesus mean here in the following verse Free?

The word which you hear is NOT MINE, but the Father's who sent me. (John 14:24).

What does he mean when he says his words are "not mine"? What does he mean when he says the words he speaks are the Father's? Hmmmm?

Feeling like you want to nullify some Scripture right about now?

What did God the Father mean when he said he would put HIS words in the mouth of his prophet Jesus?

What did Jesus means when he even said about us that it would not be us speaking but the Spirit of the Father?

 

[Gary]

Again, material from here
http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospe ... n2_19.html

More "K.N. Stovra" = "Adams son" = "Jesus my wisdom" !!!

They are the same person. "Jesus my wisdom" was banned from here and several other forums because of his demeaning attitude. He is back here again.


:roll:

 

[Adams son]

Again, material from here
http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospe ... n2_19.html

More "K.N. Stovra" = "Adams son" = "Jesus my wisdom" !!!

They are the same person. "Jesus my wisdom" was banned from here and several other forums because of his demeaning attitude. He is back here again.


:roll:

Wrong again. You have a bad habit of that Gary.

 

[Free]

You really shouldn't lie Adams son/JMW.

 

[Gary]

We now have 3 options:

1) "Adam son" and "Jesus My Wisdom" and "K.N. Stovra" are the same person.

OR

2) Adam son has been copy-n-pasting without reference to his sources. Plagiarism.

OR

3) He has been misleading us about a combination of the above.

IP addresses may be very revealing. The tone and attitude seals it for me..... but then again, I may be wrong!

:bday: :bday:

P.S. More deception....
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 475#152475

:o :o

 

[Heidi]

I don't think it's necessary to belabor this issue, Gary. If Adam's Son cannot be honest about his identity or the amount of times he visited CF, then neither can he be honest now. He knows inside his heart what is true and what is false. And we also can see by the evidence what is true and what is false. All we can do is point him to the only one who can help him. Jesus Christ.

 

[45rt]

lol! Now you are really stretching things. Here is something else that the Father apparently said:

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Matt. 24:36)

"Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, `Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour." (John 17:27)

"I" means "I" Adams son.

hmmm, the problem is free, if you stick with the 'I means I' theory, then what do you make of isa43.10, which says that know God was formed before or shall be after, I am he!!

So you have a problem, if you are right and I means I, then you are saying with out meaning to i guess, that Jesus is not God, and yet if you say adam is right, you are saying Jesus is not God. It seems to be a catch 22 situation to me, unless you can point out where i am wrong.....interesting eh. Mind you, i guess we do not have to believe everything in the bible

yours
45rt

 

[45rt]

We now have 3 options:

1) "Adam son" and "Jesus My Wisdom" and "K.N. Stovra" are the same person.

OR

2) Adam son has been copy-n-pasting without reference to his sources. Plagiarism.

OR

3) He has been misleading us about a combination of the above.

IP addresses may be very revealing. The tone and attitude seals it for me..... but then again, I may be wrong!

:bday: :bday:

P.S. More deception....
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 52475#1524

:o :o

The 4th option of course is that he could be right. Either way it is not right to ridicule someone for his beliefs, whether they are right or wrong.

As for copying other peoples material, how do you not know whether he has permission to do it?

What you should try to do is show your believes in scripture where you think that he is wrong. Unless of course you have a problem finding any, and that then would explain your deceptive sarcasm

Anyway, thats enough on that, let us see if we can HELP each other to learn the truth with an open mind, wisdom and understanding.

yours45rt

 

[Vic C.]

Fifth option might go like this...

I probably shouldn't keep reregistering to a site I keep getting banned from. 8-)

 

[Imagican]

sixth option: understand that what we speak of here oft times is filled with much passion. I myself have at times gotten overly zealous and thoughtless towards others when trying to make a point. I believe that forgiveness and understanding should be the response.

 

[kwag_myers]

Getting back to John 2:19, based on my personal study of scripture, and years of walking out my salvation, I believe that the verses which Adams son references in his initial post indicate the submissiveness between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

When Jesus told His disciples not to leave Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit baptized them, they obeyed and God's will was accomplished. In the same way, Jesus did not speak of His own, but what He heard from the Father. Jesus is submitting His will to the Father's will, as in the Garden of Gethsemane.