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Why worry when Christ is with you?

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Why worry when Christ is with you?

What prompted Judas to betray Christ? Money? Was he not in charge of all the money they made...? He could do whatever he wanted with it, right?

I have been thinking about this issue for a while now. Money or lack of it doesnt seem to be the primary reason Judas betrayed his Master. 30 pieces of silver in those days was no money at all.

Your thoughts
 
I've heard one theory that Judas was not acting out of sheer evil, but trying to force the hand of Jesus to expel the Romans. Judas was in the expectation of the Messiah which the Jews were accepting, a militant, soldier-like Christ who would establish His kingdom then and there. By forcing an interaction/altercation, it would pre-emptively cause Jesus to overthrow the Romans and establish His rule. But Judas was wrong. And ultimately Jesus would have forgiven even Judas (and thank God, for I have betrayed Him even more than Judas), but Judas allowed his despair to do him in. When Jesus asked him, "Do you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?" It was not from a place of harsh judgment. It was conviction, and a call to repentance. Jesus would have fulfilled the prophecy and went upon the cross, and Judas could have still been saved. That is what I believe.

I also think Judas was giving into fear and doubt. If he was right about Jesus overthrowing the Romans, then he did well. If Jesus was not going to do what he thought, surely He would be killed anyway, and Judas would be spared.
 
Did Judus ever consider Jesus to be his master? I don't know that he did.
Jesus called him the son of perdition.
Joh 17:12 when I was with them in the world, I was keeping them in Thy name; those whom Thou hast given to me I did guard, and none of them was destroyed, except the son of the destruction, that the Writing may be fulfilled.
Acts 1:18-19 tells us that with the silver they bought a field (the field of blood) and buried him there
Act 1:20 for it hath been written in the book of Psalms: Let his lodging-place become desolate, and let no one be dwelling in it, and his oversight let another take.
It may be referring to these verses..
Psa 69:25 Their tower is desolated, In their tents there is no dweller.
Psa 69:26 For they have pursued him Thou hast smitten, And recount of the pain of Thy pierced ones.
Psa 109:8 His days are few, his oversight another taketh,
 
The fact that Judas hung himself speaks to the severe reality of what he realized he had done, and just WHO he realized he had committed this betrayal against.
Had he betrayed Peter, i doubt he would have killed himself.
So, his death, proves the depth of his BELIEF in Christ as Messiah.
Now, the question is....did this belief justify him as it justifies us?
Did Judas ask for forgiveness, did he understand the reason he would need to?
Did he cry out to God?
Also, when Judas betrayed Christ, there was no Cross yet, no sacrificial death yet...
Jesus had not shed his blood YET for Judas's sins.
So, all these things have to be factored into the mix when we hope that Judas was able to make things right with God before he bounced on that rope.
 
Kidron said:
The fact that Judas hung himself speaks to the severe reality of what he realized he had done, and just WHO he realized he had committed this betrayal against.
Had he betrayed Peter, i doubt he would have killed himself.
So, his death, proves the depth of his BELIEF in Christ as Messiah.
Now, the question is....did this belief justify him as it justifies us?
Did Judas ask for forgiveness, did he understand the reason he would need to?
Did he cry out to God?
Also, when Judas betrayed Christ, there was no Cross yet, no sacrificial death yet...
Jesus had not shed his blood YET for Judas's sins.
So, all these things have to be factored into the mix when we hope that Judas was able to make things right with God before he bounced on that rope.
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True,
But then again what of the thief on the cross?
The woman caught in adultery?
He forgave sin before He died.
 
dianegcook said:
True,
But then again what of the thief on the cross?
The woman caught in adultery?
He forgave sin before He died.
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Absolutely.
but did you notice both of them ither asked him, or he told them.???
Judas left....he left and hung himself.......he didnt as far as the NT shows us, ever talk to Jesus in person again before he died or after he was resurrected.
 
Kidron said:
The fact that Judas hung himself speaks to the severe reality of what he realized he had done, and just WHO he realized he had committed this betrayal against.
Had he betrayed Peter, i doubt he would have killed himself.
So, his death, proves the depth of his BELIEF in Christ as Messiah.
Now, the question is....did this belief justify him as it justifies us?
Did Judas ask for forgiveness, did he understand the reason he would need to?
Did he cry out to God?
Also, when Judas betrayed Christ, there was no Cross yet, no sacrificial death yet...
Jesus had not shed his blood YET for Judas's sins.
So, all these things have to be factored into the mix when we hope that Judas was able to make things right with God before he bounced on that rope.
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If Judas had made things right with God, I don't believe he would have killed himself. Once things are right with God, peace enters the equation, and there is hope.
 
Kidron said:
Absolutely.
but did you notice both of them ither asked him, or he told them.???
Judas left....he left and hung himself.......he didnt as far as the NT shows us, ever talk to Jesus in person again before he died or after he was resurrected.
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True
But I just hate to judge another's salvation.
 
Abigail123 said:
If Judas had made things right with God, I don't believe he would have killed himself. Once things are right with God, peace enters the equation, and there is hope.
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True,
But we have folks now that commit suicide, depressed, or whatever reason, illness.
They were not in their right frame of mind.
I also would be afraid to judge them.
 
Abigail123 said:
I believe this is true in the case of Judas. We have someone who literally walked with Christ and never made him the Lord of his life.
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Which is amazing. To see the miracles and hear the teachings of Jesus directly from the inner circle, yet not accept him as Messiah. Amazing.
If he is lost (which I think he is) he's the poster child for blasphemy of the Spirit.
 
here is something else to consider.

first of all, no one here is judging anyone's salvation.
at least im not.....im only considering the evidence that i have, based on the NT, that shows me that Judas betrayed Christ, then repented in some fashion, then hung himself.
Thats the data....and that not alot.

However, and moving right along.....there is a bit more to to consider as we think about what we cant prove:).........and its this.
First, when Jesus looked down upon those who sent him to the cross, literally, he said "Father forgive them".
So, Father did.
He did forgive them....He did answer that prayer.
So, in that sense, Judas was forgiven......but that sense is the same sense as....."For God so loved the world that he gave".
And that is to say....that pardon has been committed, but its not applied until its believed and RECEIVED.
So, id say this... as a good guess.
Had Judas gone to Christ and said......"i messed up, im sorry"......then certainly Jesus would have comforted him and forgave him.
So, based on the fact of Matt 12:25, that Jesus would have known Judas's thoughts, then he would have known at that instant if Judas's repentance and Faith were real, and if so, then redemption was applied, and because Jesus would have known his thoughts, he would have known also the depth of Judas's guilt and regret and would have seen the plan, and would have told him....."now dont take your life".
But as far as we can tell..... none of that happened.
So all of that, has to be factored into what we know happened, and in the end, we'll find out if Judas was redeemed.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Which is amazing. To see the miracles and hear the teachings of Jesus directly from the inner circle, yet not accept him as Messiah. Amazing.
If he is lost (which I think he is) he's the poster child for blasphemy of the Spirit.
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I know, it's amazing, just like the children of Israel, seeing the Red Sea part, kept seeing miracles.
But just think, Blessed are those whom have not seen, and still believe.
 
And since we are on the subject, I always wondered about this, in Acts 1:18, it says, he burst asunder in the midst and all his bowels gushed out.
How could that happened?
Jumped so high or what, anyone with an opinion?
 
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