Why worry when Christ is with you?

[dianegcook]

Both Adam Clarke and John Gill wrote that verses 18 and 19 should be in ( ) and were not written by Peter but by Luke the historian.
Gill's evidence is pretty compelling.
."This verse, with the following, seem to be the words of Luke the historian, which should be read in a parenthesis; for there was no need to have acquainted the disciples with the manner of Judas's death, which was so well known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; nor would Jerusalem, and the inhabitants of it, be mentioned with that propriety by Peter, when he, and those he spoke of, were upon the spot; nor could there be any necessity of his explaining a word in their own tongue, which they understood, and that in a language unknown unto them; nor does it seem likely, that in so short a time as five or six weeks, the field should have obtained the name of "Aceldama", and be commonly known by it."
Clarke
"It is very likely that the 18th and 19th verses are not the words of Peter, but of the historian, St. Luke, and should be read in a parenthesis, and then the 17th and 20th verses will make a connected sense. On the case of Judas, and the manner of his death, see the observations at the end of this chapter."
At the end of the chapter he listed all the theories, etc. about how Judas died. Too much to post here but this is a link to it. http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/acts/1.htm

Thanks Deborah for that site, I enjoyed it!
There are various opinions on this matter.
That is why I refuse to condemn.

In Matt.27:6 states that the chief priests took the money, (which they could not put up in the treasury, because it was the price of blood).
Verse 7, then they took counsel and they bought the field. Potters field, broken pots, lives broken.

Zech.11:12-17
13, The Lord said, Cast it unto the potter, a goodly price, and took the 30 pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
14, Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, That I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

 

[dianegcook]

Matt 27:3 Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!” 5 And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself.

Judas did feel sorry and repented(Metamelomai/Greek) is an emotional word translated repent in the KJV - literally it is 'a change in FEELING' - to feel sorry for something.

Repenting(feeling sorry) of his sin and hanging himself is negative volition to bible doctrine or the words of Christ. We are never called to repent of our personal sins for salvation and the taking of one owns life is a sin.

Even feeling guilty is a sin. The issue is not why we did something but that we did it. The Christian way of life is not guilt and condemnation, it is taking responsibility for what we did and moving on.

Religion~~puts its adherents under guilt and condemnation.

Christianity~~take responsibility and move on.

Judas felt guilty and condemned for what he did to this nice and innocent MAN(He didn't believe in Christ alone for his salvation)and hanged himself. Exactly what religion wants. And it does not save.

Judas never repented(metanoeó/Greek,change your mind) of who the Christ actually was. He never repented of his unbelief.

As people stated Judas thought that Jesus was going to set up His kingdom, thought Jesus would bring His angels, thus I believe he knew He was the Christ.
Not knowing the 2 advents.

Taking ones life is a sin?
That is debatable.

We are not to repent for our personal sins for salvation?
That is debatable.
Then John the baptist preached in vain.
Repent, Repent.

 

[Deborah13]

Thanks Deborah for that site, I enjoyed it!
There are various opinions on this matter.
That is why I refuse to condemn.

In Matt.27:6 states that the chief priests took the money, (which they could not put up in the treasury, because it was the price of blood).
Verse 7, then they took counsel and they bought the field. Potters field, broken pots, lives broken.

Zech.11:12-17
13, The Lord said, Cast it unto the potter, a goodly price, and took the 30 pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
14, Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, That I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

I think I understand where you are coming from. It gives me a really creepy, and I do mean creepy, feeling to judge anyone's salvation.

That is the very scripture that I was looking for in the OT, that I believe was fulfilled about the 30 pieces of silver and I couldn't find it. Thanks. I need to study it with more depth of understanding.

 

[dianegcook]

he also said judas hath a devil. kinda hard if he ever believed.

Peter denied Him 3 times.

 

[jasonc]

Peter denied Him 3 times.

peter didn't commit suicide. was peter called one who has a devil. or having the devil entering into him. or one that would be better of never born? judas has that said about him

jesus said woe unto him that the son of man is betrayed by..

 

[dianegcook]

peter didn't commit suicide. was peter called one who has a devil. or having the devil entering into him. or one that would be better of never born? judas has that said about him

jesus said woe unto him that the son of man is betrayed by..

Yes, he probably wished that he never have been born, felt so ashamed, depressed, hard time living with it.

Mark 8:33
But when He had turned about and looked on His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me Satan..........

 

[jasonc]

Yes, he probably wished that he never have been born, felt so ashamed, depressed, hard time living with it.

Mark 8:33
But when He had turned about and looked on His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me Satan..........

jesus again didn't say that about peter.

matt 26:24 esv

24 The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.” 25 Judas, who would betray him, answered, “Is it I, Rabbi?” He said to him, “You have said so.”

so if it was possible that he would repent why then did jesus say that? surely you believe jesus knew whom would betray him.

 

[dianegcook]

jesus again didn't say that about peter.

matt 26:24 esv


so if it was possible that he would repent why then did jesus say that? surely you believe jesus knew whom would betray him.

Yes, it is written in the O.T, Jesus picked him, knowingly.
I gave my thoughts on him being born, I stand by it.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, it is written in the O.T, Jesus picked him, knowingly.
I gave my thoughts on him being born, I stand by it.

I don't there is a case. one doesn't(and its not like he didn't here the conditions of salvation) repent and then end it. I don't believe suicide damns one forever if you were saved but with judas he never repented.

godly sorrow doesn't work with suicide.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

The discussion is about Judas, every case is different.

The Bible states in acts 1:25 that Judas did fall and he went to his proper place.

ok but
thats not what I replied to.

 

[dianegcook]

I don't there is a case. one doesn't(and its not like he didn't here the conditions of salvation) repent and then end it. I don't believe suicide damns one forever if you were saved but with judas he never repented.

godly sorrow doesn't work with suicide.

Matt.27:
Verse 3=remorse, repented himself
Verse 4=confession, saying, I have sinned
Verse 5=restoration, cast down the pieces of silver

some scholars think it wasn't suicide.

 

[jasonc]

Matt.27:
Verse 3=remorse, repented himself
Verse 4=confession, saying, I have sinned
Verse 5=restoration, cast down the pieces of silver

some scholars think it wasn't suicide.

the man hung himself. that is what the bible says.