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Why worry when Christ is with you?

Kidron said:
here is something else to consider.

first of all, no one here is judging anyone's salvation.
at least im not.....im only considering the evidence that i have, based on the NT, that shows me that Judas betrayed Christ, then repented in some fashion, then hung himself.
Thats the data....and that not alot.

However, and moving right along.....there is a bit more to to consider as we think about what we cant prove:).........and its this.
First, when Jesus looked down upon those who sent him to the cross, literally, he said "Father forgive them".
So, Father did.
He did forgive them....He did answer that prayer.
So, in that sense, Judas was forgiven......but that sense is the same sense as....."For God so loved the world that he gave".
And that is to say....that pardon has been committed, but its not applied until its believed and RECEIVED.
So, id say this... as a good guess.
Had Judas gone to Christ and said......"i messed up, im sorry"......then certainly Jesus would have comforted him and forgave him.
So, based on the fact of Matt 12:25, that Jesus would have known Judas's thoughts, then he would have known at that instant if Judas's repentance and Faith were real, and if so, then redemption was applied, and because Jesus would have known his thoughts, he would have known also the depth of Judas's guilt and regret and would have seen the plan, and would have told him....."now dont take your life".
But as far as we can tell..... none of that happened.
So all of that, has to be factored into what we know happened, and in the end, we'll find out if Judas was redeemed.
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Amen!
 
dianegcook said:
Amen Blake,
Classik, your right, because he threw the money back at them!
Judas unsaved?
I really don't know about that, after all he repented.
Matt.27:3
God is the judge.
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This is the key to repentance. Judas repented of his sin. But He didn't repent of who he thought Christ was.

Religion~~ repent of your sin.
Christianity~~repent of WHO you think Christ really is.

Note: This verse shows that someone can repent of their sin and we KNOW he did not get saved. Judas never repented of His unbelief that Christ was to die and be raised again for him.
 
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Blake said:
I've heard one theory that Judas was not acting out of sheer evil, but trying to force the hand of Jesus to expel the Romans. Judas was in the expectation of the Messiah which the Jews were accepting, a militant, soldier-like Christ who would establish His kingdom then and there. By forcing an interaction/altercation, it would pre-emptively cause Jesus to overthrow the Romans and establish His rule. But Judas was wrong. And ultimately Jesus would have forgiven even Judas (and thank God, for I have betrayed Him even more than Judas), but Judas allowed his despair to do him in. When Jesus asked him, "Do you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?" It was not from a place of harsh judgment. It was conviction, and a call to repentance. Jesus would have fulfilled the prophecy and went upon the cross, and Judas could have still been saved. That is what I believe.

I also think Judas was giving into fear and doubt. If he was right about Jesus overthrowing the Romans, then he did well. If Jesus was not going to do what he thought, surely He would be killed anyway, and Judas would be spared.
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Yep, here's my views on the subject in one of my early posts... http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...-meant-in-matt-16-23.54052/page-2#post-955429
 
dianegcook said:
And since we are on the subject, I always wondered about this, in Acts 1:18, it says, he burst asunder in the midst and all his bowels gushed out.
How could that happened?
Jumped so high or what, anyone with an opinion?
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Bowel evacuation often occurs at the moment of death, even non-violent, due to complete relaxation of the bowel muscles. Accident scenes are often "messy", though this thankfully rarely makes the evening news.
 
KevinK said:
Bowel evacuation often occurs at the moment of death, even non-violent, due to complete relaxation of the bowel muscles. Accident scenes are often "messy", though this thankfully rarely makes the evening news.
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I don't know, this was different, burst asunder in the midst.
I have several study bibles, and one saids, Lightfoot, writes, The devil, immediately after Judas had cast back his money into the temple, caught him up into the air, strangled him, threw him headlong, and dashed him in pieces on the ground, and adds , that this was known to all the dwellers at Jerusalem, argues that it was no common and ordinary event, and must be something more than hanging himself, which was an accident not so very unusual in that nation.

Luke 4:29, speaking about Jesus,
And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led Him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast Him down headlong.

I don't know about that though....
 
This might help..
Act 1:23 And they set two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias,
Act 1:24 and having prayed, they said, `Thou, Lord, who art knowing the heart of all, shew which one thou didst choose of these two
Act 1:25 to receive the share of this ministration and apostleship, from which Judas, by transgression, did fall, to go on to his proper place;'
Act 1:26 and they gave their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
 
dianegcook said:
I don't know, this was different, burst asunder in the midst.
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Both Adam Clarke and John Gill wrote that verses 18 and 19 should be in ( ) and were not written by Peter but by Luke the historian.
Gill's evidence is pretty compelling.
."This verse, with the following, seem to be the words of Luke the historian, which should be read in a parenthesis; for there was no need to have acquainted the disciples with the manner of Judas's death, which was so well known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; nor would Jerusalem, and the inhabitants of it, be mentioned with that propriety by Peter, when he, and those he spoke of, were upon the spot; nor could there be any necessity of his explaining a word in their own tongue, which they understood, and that in a language unknown unto them; nor does it seem likely, that in so short a time as five or six weeks, the field should have obtained the name of "Aceldama", and be commonly known by it."
Clarke
"It is very likely that the 18th and 19th verses are not the words of Peter, but of the historian, St. Luke, and should be read in a parenthesis, and then the 17th and 20th verses will make a connected sense. On the case of Judas, and the manner of his death, see the observations at the end of this chapter."
At the end of the chapter he listed all the theories, etc. about how Judas died. Too much to post here but this is a link to it. http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/acts/1.htm
 
kiwidan said:
Yea, i dont know why i was worried all these years. I know a lot of people have prayed for me.

For some reason i dont stress anymore. I mean, sure if something bad happens i would stress, but general living i can now look forward. My anxietys are gone. I dont even use meds anymore. I feel great naturally now.

I always worried because nothing happened in a day, like someone prays for me and im thinking yea whatever nothing has even happened Jesus and God must not even be real because nothing ever happens or changes im just stuck to suffer for life.

But over time, when i look back at it now, i have been healed alot. Like over a slow process i have come to feel so much better and i done nothing myself. I think Jesus gave me a spiritual can of spinach and harden up to eat or something. I dont know.
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Back on topic. :)

Your peace has been coming through the words of your posts. I have been worrying this week, I needed to hear your words. Just give it to the Lord and rest in him, is what I heard. Bless you.
 
Abigail123 said:
If Judas had made things right with God, I don't believe he would have killed himself. Once things are right with God, peace enters the equation, and there is hope.
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So by this then no christian ever would commit suicide ? We know this not to be true and guilt with the help of satan can destroy a christian.
 
I dont really know if Judas was saved. There are two things to consider: 1 He threw back the money. 2. He hung himself.

my deductions are:
1. He threw back the money...probably the soldiers took a decision contrary to their agreement, secret agreement. The soldiers probably deceived him, it was clear they would murder Him: Christ.

2. He hung himself, maybe not because of true reepntance, maybe because of the shame and magnitude of his betrayal. Who can ever stand that kind of shame and guilt? He had nowhere to turn to, no place to hide. The walls, skies, tables, shoes, ball, pitches, grass - and everything were all staring back at him in shock: you really did that? So his best option was the resolution to die.
 
Classik said:
I dont really know if Judas was saved. There are two things to consider: 1 He threw back the money. 2. He hung himself.

my deductions are:
1. He threw back the money...probably the soldiers took a decision contrary to their agreement, secret agreement. The soldiers probably deceived him, it was clear they would murder Him: Christ.

2. He hung himself, maybe not because of true reepntance, maybe because of the shame and magnitude of his betrayal. Who can ever stand that kind of shame and guilt? He had nowhere to turn to, no place to hide. The walls, skies, tables, shoes, ball, pitches, grass - and everything were all staring back at him in shock: you really did that? So his best option was the resolution to die.
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Matt 27:3 Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!” 5 And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself.

Judas did feel sorry and repented(Metamelomai/Greek) is an emotional word translated repent in the KJV - literally it is 'a change in FEELING' - to feel sorry for something.

Repenting(feeling sorry) of his sin and hanging himself is negative volition to bible doctrine or the words of Christ. We are never called to repent of our personal sins for salvation and the taking of one owns life is a sin.

Even feeling guilty is a sin. The issue is not why we did something but that we did it. The Christian way of life is not guilt and condemnation, it is taking responsibility for what we did and moving on.

Religion~~puts its adherents under guilt and condemnation.

Christianity~~take responsibility and move on.

Judas felt guilty and condemned for what he did to this nice and innocent MAN(He didn't believe in Christ alone for his salvation)and hanged himself. Exactly what religion wants. And it does not save.

Judas never repented(metanoeó/Greek,change your mind) of who the Christ actually was. He never repented of his unbelief.
 
dianegcook said:
And since we are on the subject, I always wondered about this, in Acts 1:18, it says, he burst asunder in the midst and all his bowels gushed out.
How could that happened?
Jumped so high or what, anyone with an opinion?
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he hung and the rope broke and he hit a rock and well it was sharp enough or he was high enough to have penetrated the abdomen.
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
So by this then no christian ever would commit suicide ? We know this not to be true and guilt with the help of satan can destroy a christian.
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I agree that a Christian could commit suicide and still be saved. Only God knows the state of their heart/mind and their spiritual relationship with the Redeemer.
So we look at everything that God's Word says about Judas to determine what it says about Judas' heart/mind, his spiritual beliefs/condition.
 
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