why....?

[cupid dave]

Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead.

Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.<O:p

<O:p
Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.

Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.<O:p

Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.<O:p

Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.<O:p

Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.<O:p

Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.<O:p

Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.<O:p

Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.<O:p

Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.<O:p

Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities

Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead

Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.<O:p

Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.<O:p

Both had miraculous births.<O:p

Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd

Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.<O:p

Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.<O:p

And much more... why?

 

[handy]

Some of these comparisions seem forced.... Could you please give the Scripture texts for the comparisions...

Especially the part of Elijah walking on water, the miraculous nature of Elijah's birth...

Jesus didn't hide in a tomb... His body was laid there after death, but the body was hardly hidden. They put guards at the entrance of the tomb for heaven's sake. This is what I mean by a forced comparision...

 

[duari91]

Some of these comparisions seem forced.... Could you please give the Scripture texts for the comparisions...

Especially the part of Elijah walking on water, the miraculous nature of Elijah's birth...

Jesus didn't hide in a tomb... His body was laid there after death, but the body was hardly hidden. They put guards at the entrance of the tomb for heaven's sake. This is what I mean by a forced comparision...

In addition to this comment, I would like to point the fact that Elijah was taken to heaven in a chariot of fire. Jesus ascended via his own power. That's quite the big difference.

 

[Free]

I would like to know why this post is being made yet again, despite no responses in the past to posts questioning what you're trying to show or accomplish. It has been made clear to you before that at most Elijah could be said to be a type of Christ and the two most definitely are not one and the same, if that's what you're trying to show.

And yes, some of the comparisons are forced.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead.

As did others, except in the case of Jesus, this was done through the power of God.

Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.<o:p</o

Everyone is immortal; we're promised an eternity in Heaven (or the other place). Elijah wasn't immortal in any other way than you or I.
<o:p</o

Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.

Mountains were often Holy places; it's not surprising that significant religious events occur there.

Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.<o:p</o

Obviously, or else nobody would have recorded the fact and we wouldn't have known.

Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.<o:p</o

If you want a list of people who cause trouble for Israel, turn to the international section of your local newspaper. Even back then, they were hardly the only rabble rousers.

Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.<o:p</o

See above. Back then, most states would hunt down anyone who challenged their authority.

Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.<o:p</o

Jesus didn't hide; He was resurrected.

Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.<o:p</o

A religious pilgrimage into the wilderness is hardly unique to these two.

Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.<o:p</o

So did Peter.

Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.<o:p</o

This is quite a stretch, but I'm not interested in arguing the semantics.

Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.<o:p</o

Unless you're leading a doomsday suicide cult, that's not really an unusual occurrence in a ministry.

Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities

You just said that, 6 points back.

Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead

This power was given through God.

Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.<o:p</o

They're hardly the only two people to have used symbolism throughout history.

Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.<o:p</o

Again, symbolism. It was an expression that was (and still is) in semi-common usage.

Both had miraculous births.<o:p</o

I'm not aware of Elijah's "miraculous" birth. Can you give me a Biblical reference? The earliest mention I find is 1 Kings 17, where he's already an adult and is telling off king Ahab.

Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd

Um, sure...

Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.<o:p</o

They didn't destroy anyone, they preached against false idols like many others before, during, and after.

Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.<o:p</o

Um, again, okay...?

And much more... why?

Why not?

Also, your "list" seems to be rather forced and contains several inaccuracies as well as some stretches. Why don't you just say what you're trying to show? I for one am not seeing it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think a better and more direct comparison can be made between Jesus and Moses.

A more accurate and Biblical connection to Elijah is John the Baptist. The list of those comparisons would be interesting to see.

And the reason their ministries parallel a particular prophet is so the Jews would recognize them as legitimate prophets. For some reason a prophet is never known and respected as a prophet until he dies (usually killed). The Jews were very good at recognizing and honoring prophets after they persecuted and killed and rejected them. By making a direct connection between what a dead and respected prophet did before to what a later prophet is doing now God can send the message that these later prophets are to be listened to and respected.

 

[cupid dave]

Some of these comparisions seem forced.... Could you please give the Scripture texts for the comparisions...

Especially the part of Elijah walking on water, the miraculous nature of Elijah's birth...

Jesus didn't hide in a tomb... His body was laid there after death, but the body was hardly hidden. They put guards at the entrance of the tomb for heaven's sake. This is what I mean by a forced comparision...

I see you point but let's examine the dozens of correlations and especially note the ones which seem "forced" to conform with one another almost verbatum.

For instance,

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of


Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

 

[cupid dave]

I think a better and more direct comparison can be made between Jesus and Moses..

Yes, that seems to be the reason Elijah reappeared in 32AD, because he was the prophet from amongst his brethern who would be like Moses.



<SUP class=versenum>18 </SUP>I will raise them up a Prophet (Elijah) from among their brethren, like unto thee, (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
<SUP class=versenum>19 </SUP>And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him (in 32AD?).

The point being that Elijah was prophesied to return and the reason was that God intended to require the Jews to obey his words, then, which they did do right after Elijah left for heaven.

 

[cupid dave]

In addition to this comment, I would like to point the fact that Elijah was taken to heaven in a chariot of fire. Jesus ascended via his own power. That's quite the big difference.

..."taken"...?

i think you are confusing this with enoch?


Both Elijah and Christ rose up into Heaven before witnesses:



2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
And Elisha saw it.
<O:p


Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven<O:p</O:p

 

[handy]

I see you point but let's examine the dozens of correlations and especially note the ones which seem "forced" to conform with one another almost verbatum.

For instance,

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of


Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

Actually, this is an opposite... Elijah was fed, then traveled through the wilderness and the journey took 40 days and nights (40 days and nights is a common biblical thread of being tested... ) to get to Horeb, and there he met God.

Jesus, on the other hand, fasted for 40 days and nights in the wilderness and then was met by Satan.

This is really a forced comparision. What do you make of the fact that rain fell on the earth for 40 days and nights... that Moses was on Sinai for 40 days and nights... that it took the spies 40 days to search the land of Canaan... and God made the Israelites wander on year for each day that the spies took as punishment for their lack of faith to enter the land... God gave Ninevah 40 days to repent... Jesus remained on earth 40 days after He rose from the grave.

 

[handy]

I am more curious as to just what your final point is supposed to be?

That Elijah is Jesus? Jesus Himself stated that John the Baptist was Elijah:

"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. “And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."

Matthew 11:13-14

 

[cupid dave]

Actually, this is an opposite... Elijah was fed, then traveled through the wilderness and the journey took 40 days and nights (40 days and nights is a common biblical thread of being tested... ) to get to Horeb, and there he met God.

Jesus, on the other hand, fasted for 40 days and nights in the wilderness and then was met by Satan.

This is really a forced comparision. What do you make of the fact that rain fell on the earth for 40 days and nights... that Moses was on Sinai for 40 days and nights... that it took the spies 40 days to search the land of Canaan... and God made the Israelites wander on year for each day that the spies took as punishment for their lack of faith to enter the land... God gave Ninevah 40 days to repent... Jesus remained on earth 40 days after He rose from the grave.

Hmmm,...


Even if quibble here, it is apparent that Elijah, too, did not eat for forty days and would also have hungered.

 

[handy]

Ummm, I was thinking even more of the fact that one met God and the Other met Satan....

And, Elijah didn't hunger... that was part of the miracle, that he went on the strength of the two meals for 40 days.

 

[cupid dave]

I am more curious as to just what your final point is supposed to be?

That Elijah is Jesus? Jesus Himself stated that John the Baptist was Elijah:

"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. “And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."

Matthew 11:13-14

Yes Jesus told a crowd who insisted the he was the messiah so John must be his Elijah, by saying "if,"....
But the testimony of the scriptures contradicts this too:

<SUP class=versenum>19 </SUP>And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
<SUP class=versenum>20 </SUP>And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
<SUP class=versenum>21 </SUP>And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias?
And he saith, I am not.
Art thou that prophet?
And he answered, No.


In contrast with the correlations between Elijah's appearance in 800BC and what Jesus did in 32AD seems more than coincidental since there are dozens of verses in 1&2Kings which describe the same behaviors and even miracles.


There are also the seemingly innane and otherwise rather meaningless things like the request 3 times for an oath of loyalty from the special apostle who would be given the task of carrying on after they left:

Both Elijah and Christ were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.

2 Kings 2:2 I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel<O:p
2 Kings 2:4 I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho<O:p</O:p
2 Kings 2:6 I will not leave thee. And they two went on <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time,... "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? <O:p</O:p
Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou me?"<O:p></O:p>

 

[handy]

Seriously, Dave.... what IS your point to all this....

Where are you going with this.... so far all you've put forth are these forced comparisons with these subtle hints that you've some inside knowledge on some kind of earth shattering news....

What?

 

[cupid dave]

Ummm, I was thinking even more of the fact that one met God and the Other met Satan....

And, Elijah didn't hunger... that was part of the miracle, that he went on the strength of the two meals for 40 days.

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights


1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in (ONLY) the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights, (a Fast), unto Horeb the mount of God

<O:p

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.<O:p></O:p>



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Maybe you are right but from the strict context it would seem that like Jesus, "when he (Elijah) had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred" too, having had to go on the strenght of one last meal before that fast.

 

[handy]

DAVE????? WHAT'S THE POINT??????

 

[cupid dave]

Seriously, Dave.... what IS your point to all this....

Where are you going with this.... so far all you've put forth are these forced comparisons with these subtle hints that you've some inside knowledge on some kind of earth shattering news....

What?

That was my question,... "Why...?"

Why does the scripture in 1&2Kings compare so closely to what we read about the events, miracles, and behavior of Jesus and yet, John did no miracles nor made an prophecies at all.

How could a Jew accept that John was their beloved miracle working Elijah, the only other person in scripture not to die, and to have gone directly to heaven alive:


Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal.

 

[handy]

Why are you disagreeing with Jesus Himself?

 

[cupid dave]

DAVE????? WHAT'S THE POINT??????

That is what we must respond to, what was the point of scripture correlating Kings to the gospel account, often almost word for word???