why....?

[handy]

And as others have pointed out... all who are saved are immortal.

Elijah wasn't the only other person in scripture not to die, and to have gone directly to heaven alive.... Enoch did as well. And also Melchizedek...


Elijah was the first person to raise someone from the dead but hardly the last... Elisha, Peter, Paul...

You're forcing comparisons and conveniently leaving out any minor little details that disrupt your ... whatever it is you're trying to put forth here....

Are you trying to say that Elijah was Jesus?

 

[cupid dave]

And as others have pointed out... all who are saved are immortal.

Elijah wasn't the only other person in scripture not to die, and to have gone directly to heaven alive.... Enoch did as well. And also Melchizedek...


Elijah was the first person to raise someone from the dead but hardly the last... Elisha, Peter, Paul...

You're forcing comparisons and conveniently leaving out any minor little details that disrupt your ... whatever it is you're trying to put forth here....

Are you trying to say that Elijah was Jesus?

Forcing?

I have quoted scripture while you are forced to come nack with quibbles and other innane comments.

What I woukd like to see is a list of a dozen or so verses from the Old Testament which correspond one to one with those in regard to Jeus.

Is there anyother set of verse which compare two specific persons in the Bible as do these:


1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22.. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived


John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where .Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.<O:p

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:<O:p

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal<O:p

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.<O:p

3) Both Elijah and Christ. ascended into Heaven before witnesses

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12..And Elisha saw it

Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven<O:p

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:<O:p

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?<O:p

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:<O:p

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of ..I..srael have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and .I. .even I only .am .left..; and they seek my life, to take it away<O:p

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death<O:p

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:<O:p

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away<O:p

Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill

7) Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:<O:p

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth...<O:p

8) Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God<O:p

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred

9) Both Elijah and Christ. walked on across the water<O:p

2 Kings 2:8.. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground<O:p

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea<O:p

10) Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water

2 Kings 2:14.. And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over<O:p

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.<O:p

11) Both Elijah and Christ.... wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:<O:p

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from ..Elijah.. the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

12) Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ

2 Kings 2:9.. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And ..Elisha.. said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me<O:p

Matthew 16:18.. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this .rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.<O:p

 

[abide]

And as others have pointed out... all who are saved are immortal.

Elijah wasn't the only other person in scripture not to die, and to have gone directly to heaven alive.... Enoch did as well. And also Melchizedek...


Elijah was the first person to raise someone from the dead but hardly the last... Elisha, Peter, Paul...

You're forcing comparisons and conveniently leaving out any minor little details that disrupt your ... whatever it is you're trying to put forth here....

Are you trying to say that Elijah was Jesus?

"In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor. About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, "Please come at once!" Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them. Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, "Tabitha, get up." She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord."

ACTS 9:36-43

Acts 20:9-12 (KJV) Paul raises Eutychus from the dead

9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted

Peter raised Tabitha from the dead.

Moses fasted 40 days and 40 nights

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

I am not sure what the OP wants to prove.

 

[abide]

And as others have pointed out... all who are saved are immortal.

Elijah wasn't the only other person in scripture not to die, and to have gone directly to heaven alive.... Enoch did as well. And also Melchizedek...


Elijah was the first person to raise someone from the dead but hardly the last... Elisha, Peter, Paul...

You're forcing comparisons and conveniently leaving out any minor little details that disrupt your ... whatever it is you're trying to put forth here....

Are you trying to say that Elijah was Jesus?

Peter raised Tabitha from the dead.

"In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor. About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, "Please come at once!" Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them. Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, "Tabitha, get up." She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord."

ACTS 9:36-43

Acts 20:9 Paul raised Eutychus from the dead

And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

Moses fasted 40 days
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


I am not sure what the OP wants to prove.

 

[handy]

Abide... I think the OP wants to prove that Elijah and Jesus are the same person. I've been working on this response on and off this afternoon where I respond to some of these "comparisons" that supposedly prove that Elijah and Jesus must be the same person. Here goes:

This will most likely be my last response to this thread... maybe... but it seems as though your mind is wholly set on this pet theory and all you're wanting is affirmation...

Anyway here goes:

1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22.. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where .Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

Then there is Elisha who raised the son of the Shunammite woman (2 Kings 4:30-37) and his bones raise up a dead man. (2 Kings 13:21)

Paul raised Eutychus when he fell from the window (Acts 20:7-12)
Peter raised Dorcas (Acts 9:36-42)

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Not to mention Enoch... "Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him." (Genesis 5:24) "<sup class="versenum"> </sup>By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God." (Hebrews 11:5)

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born

A little context helps with the 1 Kings 18:17 text....just read on, Elijah himself responds, “I have not troubled Israel, but you and your father’s house have, because you have forsaken the commandments of the Lord and you have followed the Baals."

It was Ahab who troubled Israel in that incident.... not Elijah.

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of ..I..srael have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and .I. .even I only .am .left..; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

Jeremiah also was threatened with death by the authorities:

The priests and the prophets and all the people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house of the Lord. When Jeremiah finished speaking all that the Lord had commanded him to speak to all the people, the priests and the prophets and all the people seized him, saying, “ You must die! Why have you prophesied in the name of the Lord saying, ‘This house will be like Shiloh and this city will be desolate, without inhabitant’?†And all the people gathered about Jeremiah in the house of the Lord. When the officials of Judah heard these things, they came up from the king’s house to the house of the Lord and sat in the entrance of the New Gate of the Lord’s house. Then the priests and the prophets spoke to the officials and to all the people, saying, “A death sentence for this man! For he has prophesied against this city as you have heard in your hearing.†Jeremiah 26:7-11


Peter and the apostles were also threatened with death... "But Peter and the apostles answered, “ We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.â€<sup class="versenum"> </sup>But when they heard this, they were cut to the quick and intended to kill them. (Acts 5:29-33)

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill

Again, there are others who were hunted in the same way... King Saul relentlessly hunted after David. King Herod went after James and Peter. James didn't make it out of that one alive. Peter wouldn't have either, if God hadn't intervened. (Acts 12) Paul was seized in Jerusalem and there some formed a conspiracy against him, vowing not eat nor drink until Paul was killed... the chief priests and elders were in on this. (Acts 23:12-15)

Also, keep in mind that Elijah did not have the omniscient understanding that Jesus has... Elijah was crying out that he was the only one left... and God encouraged him by telling him that there were yet 7000 others who did not kneel to Baal.

Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth...

Already addressed this one, but David was also in a cave... Joseph was in a pit... and what is most significant as far as Jesus is concerned... Jonas was three days in the belly of the great fish.

Both Elijah and Christ. walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8.. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea

Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water

2 Kings 2:14.. And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.

Elijah did not walk on the water. As Moses and Joshua before him, and as Elisha after him, God parted the waters for Elijah and Elijah walked over on dry land... Jesus walked on the water.... Also, don't be so shy about not letting the stories play out fully.... Peter lost faith and began to sink like a rock... Elisha watched Elijah be taken up by the chariot of fire (which Jesus didn't need) then, after grieving, walked back to the water, struck it the same way Elijah did, appealed to God (Who was the One parting the water) and walked back across.

As forced comparisons go, this one is taking a sledgehammer.

Both Elijah and Christ.... wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from ..Elijah.. the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John


Revelation isn't "a letter" and it wasn't written by Jesus.... The Revelation was a series of visions sent to John, who wrote them down in a book. Elijah, either from heaven (a distinct and likely possibility) or while he was prophesying here on earth, sent a very terse letter, more a note really, which is here in it's entirety:

Thus says the Lord God of your father David, "Because you have not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat your father and the ways of Asa king of Judah, but have walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and have caused Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to play the harlot as the house of Ahab played the harlot, and you have also killed your brothers, your own family, who were better than you, behold, the Lord is going to strike your people, your sons, your wives and all your possessions with a great calamity; and you will suffer severe sickness, a disease of your bowels, until your bowels come out because of the sickness, day by day."

Again... let's not force a comparison. There really isn't a comparison to that letter sent to Jehoram and the Revelation of visions that John received to bring both warning and comfort to the Church.


Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ

2 Kings 2:9.. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And ..Elisha.. said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me

Matthew 16:18.. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this .rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

On this one... guess what? We're in agreement... Elijah did indeed appoint Elisha and Jesus did indeed put Peter in charge of His flock. Good to have a meeting of the minds on something. :yes

 

[Adam]

Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ

2 Kings 2:9.. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And ..Elisha.. said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me

Matthew 16:18.. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this .rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



On this one... guess what? We're in agreement... Elijah did indeed appoint Elisha and Jesus did indeed put Peter in charge of His flock. Good to have a meeting of the minds on something. :yes

Isn't that the status quo in the Jewish patriarchy, anyway?

All of the patriarchs were appointed, so there isn't anything noteworthy in comparing Jesus to Elijah here.


There isn't really anything significant to notice regarding the vague similarities (which are also forced in many cases). On the two things where they do have similar circumstances, we see Moses and several other patriarchs sharing the same experience.

 

[Adam]

Great break-down of these claims, btw, and revealing that they really are forced.

 

[cupid dave]

"In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor. About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, "Please come at once!" Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them. Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, "Tabitha, get up." She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord."

That is another example of this strange series of correlations between Jesus and Elijah.

Jesus apparently gave Peter the power to raise the dead, whereas Elijah had given that power to Elisha:


Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to raise the dead:

2 Kings 8:5.. And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom ..Elisha.. restored to life.
<O:p</O:p
Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and ..prayed..; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up<O:p
<O:p</O:p


It is very strange indeed.

 

[cupid dave]

On the two things where they do have similar circumstances, we see Moses and several other patriarchs sharing the same experience.

Yes, this adds more correspondence to the dozens of similar events and identical verses that Moses ALSO did some of these things, because in Deuter 18:18 God promised to send a miracle working prophet to the Jews who would be like Moses:



<SUP class=versenum>18 </SUP>I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, (i.e.; Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Then Mal 4:6 says that God will send back that prophet of 800BC, who did miracles (which no other prophet did).

 

[handy]

That is another example of this strange series of correlations between Jesus and Elijah.

Jesus apparently gave Peter the power to raise the dead, whereas Elijah had given that power to Elisha:


Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to raise the dead:

2 Kings 8:5.. And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom ..Elisha.. restored to life.
<O:p</O:p
Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and ..prayed..; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up<O:p
<O:p</O:p


It is very strange indeed.

What's strange is how you zeroed in on Peter raising Tabitha and but fail to mention the fact that Paul raised Eutychus...

So, Dave... what to you is the implication of Elijah and Jesus being the same person?

 

[Adam]

That is another example of this strange series of correlations between Jesus and Elijah.

Jesus apparently gave Peter the power to raise the dead, whereas Elijah had given that power to Elisha:


.

What is strange is how you tend to twist things to say something they really don't.

Elijah never gave Elisha the power to raise the dead. Elijah never HAD the power to raise the dead.

1Kings 17:21-22

And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.



God brought the child back to life. Elijah prayed and asked him to.

Elijah did not bring the child back to life. Neither did he give Elisha such power.

 

[Adam]

Yes, this adds more correspondence to the dozens of similar events and identical verses that Moses ALSO did some of these things, because in Deuter 18:18 God promised to send a miracle working prophet to the Jews who would be like Moses:



.

Dozens?

Of the "identical" verses you've presented so far, all but one has been forced.

Jesus and Elijah are not similar in any way, except they both fasted for 40 days, which we see Moses do, as well as the list Handy gave regarding all of the things that were reported taking place in a period of 40 days.

"What do you make of the fact that rain fell on the earth for 40 days and nights... that Moses was on Sinai for 40 days and nights... that it took the spies 40 days to search the land of Canaan... and God made the Israelites wander on year for each day that the spies took as punishment for their lack of faith to enter the land... God gave Ninevah 40 days to repent... Jesus remained on earth 40 days after He rose from the grave."



Everything else has been a coersion, from claiming that both hid in a cave (Which Jesus did not do) to Elijah having a miraculous birth (the only source for that is an old folktale where Elijah's father has a dream that Elijah as a baby is swaddled with fire by an angel, which is not biblical and not actually a miraclous birth considering that it is Elijah's father who has the vision).


Nearly none of your comparisons match. So the real question is what is your agenda to try to force them to match? What is it you want people to believe and if what you want us to believe is actually true, why are you using false pretenses to convince us?

Something very underhanded is going on here.

 

[Free]

I'm only going to deal with a few of these because some of them are so obviously forced and most have been dealt with, although I will reiterate a couple of them.

Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.<o:p</o

It is very important to note that Jesus was eternal and Elijah may have been made immortal, we don't know.

Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.


Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.<o:p</o

Elijah fled to the cave because the rest of the prophets were put to the sword by Israel. I think more than just Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel and were hunted the the Jewish authorities.

Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.<o:p</o

This has been dealt with but cannot be overstated: Elijah hid in a cave, was asked by God why he was there, and then was told to leave (seems to indicate that Elijah went there of his own accord); Jesus died and was buried in a tomb to fulfill the will of the Father.

Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.<o:p</o

Again, dealt with but needs to be restated: Elijah walked across on dry land; Jesus walked on the water.

Both had miraculous births.<o:p</o

The question of Scriptural proof for Elijah's "miraculous birth" was asked of you but you have not responded, that I have seen. Just where is this stated in Scripture?

And much more... why?

At most, Elijah was a type of Christ, and perhaps some of the things you have given were meant as pointers for the Jews to the power and life of Christ as their Messiah.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Acts 20:9 Paul raised Eutychus from the dead

And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

I started to share this in an earlier post but decided not to. Have you ever made the connection about how Paul raised Eutychus and how Elijah raised the widow's son? Note the similarities:

Elijah:
17 Some time later the son of the woman who owned the house became ill. He grew worse and worse, and finally stopped breathing. 18 She said to Elijah, “What do you have against me, man of God? Did you come to remind me of my sin and kill my son?”

19 “Give me your son,” Elijah replied. He took him from her arms, carried him to the upper room where he was staying, and laid him on his bed. 20 Then he cried out to the Lord, “O Lord my God, have you brought tragedy also upon this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die?” 21 Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried to the Lord, “O Lord my God, let this boy’s life return to him!” (1 Kings 17:17-21 NIV1984)

Paul:
7 Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting. 9 Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead. 10 Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “He’s alive!” (Acts 20:7-10 NIV1984)


I think what happened with Paul and Eutychus served as a clear sign of the authority and truthfulness of what Paul had been speaking to them about for hours. We in the western church probably don't appreciate these kinds of things as much as others who know the OT scriptures better than us. God purposely used the similar signs and wonders and circumstances of John, Jesus, and the Apostles to demonstrate the validity of their calling and the truthfulness of the gospel.


I like this one:

8 They replied, “He was a man with a garment of hair and with a leather belt around his waist.”

The king said, “That was Elijah the Tishbite.” (2 Kings 1:8 NIV1984)

vs.

"4 John’s (John the Baptist) clothes were made of camel’s hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist." (Matthew 3:4 NIV1984)


These mean something to those who know the prophets of the OT well, as the Jews do.


It'll take a little homework to find and match the passages, but it's interesting how Paul validated his ministry by indirectly comparing his calling to that of Jeremiah, and in a sideways kind of way comparing himself to Samuel. These aren't readily obvious to us, but to those who knew the scriptures of the day well it speaks volumes towards signifying that men sent by God are among them and should be listened to.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal......

......Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.

The reason why is that in the OT there were shadows of things to come (as Paul stated of the feasts) but the substance is Christ. These were forerunners and prophecy played out.

Now, I hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but Elijah is not immortal. Nobody is and must be raised again in the end when it's time for the Lord to do it.

Elijah ascended to heaven, but that is what we'd call our atmosphere. I don't know where the likes of Elijah or Enoch ended up --- the bible does not say. But they eventually died wherever they were. Nobody ever ascended to heaven into the realm of God.

 

[cupid dave]

I'm only going to deal with a few of these because some of them are so obviously forced and most have been dealt with, although I will reiterate a couple of them.


It is very important to note that Jesus was eternal and Elijah may have been made immortal, we don't know.
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You may see some that you don't think compare with the Gospel story but I think you would probably be quibbling with details based more on the wording differences than the general correspondences.

And of copurse, you might admit to yourself that the reaction is usually biased against considering this whole idea.
Not that it ought be so easy to get people to entertain the comparison since they have believed, be taught, learned, and understood the opposite since they were old enough to hear the opposite interpretation.

But in this case of immortality concerning Elijah, I would question your integrity to avoid the facts that he never died according to the Bible before he went to Heaven.
You and I of course exactly the opposite.

Then we have the uncanny event of Elijah writing a letter back after he ascend ed into heaven, which is exactly what Jesus did when he sent and signified his revelation to John:


) Both Elijah and Christ.... wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from ..Elijah.. the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,<O:p

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:<O:p

 

[cupid dave]

The reason why is that in the OT there were shadows of things to come (as Paul stated of the feasts) but the substance is Christ. These were forerunners and prophecy played out.

Now, I hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but Elijah is not immortal. Nobody is and must be raised again in the end when it's time for the Lord to do it.

Elijah ascended to heaven, but that is what we'd call our atmosphere. I don't know where the likes of Elijah or Enoch ended up --- the bible does not say. But they eventually died wherever they were. Nobody ever ascended to heaven into the realm of God.

Any one with common sense would agree that no one goes to heaven first, and we all die.

That Jesus did not is one reason we call him God, tho.
And if Jesus was Elijah returned after an absence of 800 years, then we ar not surprised Jesus AKA Elijah again went back upo into heaven.

Right?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven (as we read about in 32AD), but he, (The Elijah), that came down (after 800 years) from heaven, even (both are one and the same), the Son of man, which is in heaven (henceforth).

 

[DarkHorseRising]

Jesus was not Elijah. Deal with it.

 

[Adam]

You may see some that you don't think compare with the Gospel story but I think you would probably be quibbling with details based more on the wording differences than the general correspondences.

No, I think that it's the corrospondence, or rather, lack of corrospondence we have a problem with and you forcing these two to match when they obviously don't.

And of copurse, you might admit to yourself that the reaction is usually biased against considering this whole idea.
Not that it ought be so easy to get people to entertain the comparison since they have believed, be taught, learned, and understood the opposite since they were old enough to hear the opposite interpretation.

Again, I think that it is a matter of actually comparing the verses you presented and seeing that they don't say what you claim. It isn't hard to see that they don't match and you are unsuccessfully trying to force them to.

But in this case of immortality concerning Elijah, I would question your integrity to avoid the facts that he never died according to the Bible before he went to Heaven.
You and I of course exactly the opposite.

Then we have the uncanny event of Elijah writing a letter back after he ascend ed into heaven, which is exactly what Jesus did when he sent and signified his revelation to John:


) Both Elijah and Christ.... wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from ..Elijah.. the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,<o:p</o

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:<o:p</o

No, Jesus did not write a letter. Revelations was a vision which was penned by a John.

John wrote Revelation. Possibly John the Baptist?

In any case, the letter written by Elijah may have been delivered after he was taken up, but that does not mean that he did not write the letter until afterward.

It is common belief that he wrote the letter in anticipation that he would be gone and unable to deliver his message himself, so he wrote it down and gave it to a trusted follower with an appointed time to deliver it. In this case, the trusted follower safeguarded the letter until the appointed time. There is nothing in scripture that would imply that Elijah wrote the letter after he ascended.

If there is any link between these two writings, you should probably take into consideration that John wrote the Revelations, and if this is the same John the Baptist it would be only fitting since everything in scripture, including Jesus' very own words, indicates that John was Elijah.

 

[Adam]

Jesus was not Elijah. Deal with it.