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Lewis

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Why do many people put animals in front of other humans. they don't care about aborted babies' but if it is a animal abortion' they will kill you. They bury their dogs in elaborate caskets' they leave their wills to them. If it came down to your life or the dog they will pick the dog' and you will be dead. This behavior is not Biblical. Now you are supposed to love God's animals, and I blow my stack when you mistreat them. But I can't choose the cat over a human being. If somebody said you have to pick who I shoot' the cat or your friend Bill. I would say you have to kill the cat, even though it would hurt me. My grand daughter is at Penn State in her 3rd year of Veterinarian school' and I have to ask her where she stands on this issue. And I will the next time that I see her. Many people have not forgiven Michael Vick' and many said that they never will and that they wish him death' even though this man has changed from the inside out. I think if you love animals over mankind you are sick. And the devil loves it.
 
I actually heard more than once people saying this (it differs a bit of course, but the main point is this): Animals take you for who you are. If you treat them with kindness, they will be kind to you, no matter what the color of your skin is, what religion you follow or how socially awkward you are.
 
I actually heard more than once people saying this (it differs a bit of course, but the main point is this): Animals take you for who you are. If you treat them with kindness, they will be kind to you, no matter what the color of your skin is, what religion you follow or how socially awkward you are.
That is true' but are we to value them more than mankind.
 
I actually heard more than once people saying this (it differs a bit of course, but the main point is this): Animals take you for who you are. If you treat them with kindness, they will be kind to you, no matter what the color of your skin is, what religion you follow or how socially awkward you are.
That is true' but are we to value them more than mankind.

I think that those who value animals more than humanity are in pretty big minority.
 
I actually heard more than once people saying this (it differs a bit of course, but the main point is this): Animals take you for who you are. If you treat them with kindness, they will be kind to you, no matter what the color of your skin is, what religion you follow or how socially awkward you are.
That is true' but are we to value them more than mankind.

I think that those who value animals more than humanity are in pretty big minority.
If you weren't a dog I'd slap you.
 
people who put animals over humans are just trying to be edgy, they are all talk. what you implied is not really whats going on in the big picture and is a gross oversimplification. on the other hand, people are becoming more amiable to the ideas that animals are equal to us and we are animals too. i believe we are the mole rats of the ape family of species, but i still put human lives over animal lives, if there's a fire i grab the kids before the puppies. and i don't even particularly like children :D

obviously you're talking about abortion, well if anyone wanted to ask: i don't think sperm, ovaries or fetuses have any sentience. if you can't use contraception, live with the retarded/unwanted child or live with abortion on your conscience, however much that might weight.
 
Okay, I've always been a huge animal lover, especially when it comes to dogs. Put me in a store full of animal products or something similar like a dog show or canine sports event, and I am pretty much in heaven--or, in the case of the latter two, I'd completely geek out. (Art supplies stores, art exhibits, and I imagine anime conventions do/would have a very similar effect.)
My pets tend to have a high priority in my life--for one, they eat much more healthful food than I do. I feed both of my current animals a homeprepared diet that I really did my homework on before feeding. Or, if for some reason I cant, I am willing to pay more to feed the best I can afford. Since I'm on vacation now, my dog is at the boarding kennel and he is eating food that cost me 40 bucks--for two 8 lb bags! (I do tend to be very lazy with things like walks, however, and sometimes feel guilty for not spending more time with my dog. I used to train and play with them daily in my early teens, but when I got older and developed broader interests I got out if the habit. I imagine Treader must get pretty bored sometimes.)

Anyways--no, I don't value animal life over human life. But I tend to be more attached to my animals than to most people, including my immediate family. I'd say I'm about as attached to my pets as I am to my friends. (I do highly value my friends.)

But that might be part of the reason some do value them more than human lives: they find animals much easier to get along with than people.

So even if I know it's wrong and don't have my attachment to animals quite that misplaced, I kinda feel like I can understand, TBH.
 
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I Went to a Dog's Funeral

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/i-went-to-a-dogs-funeral



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R.I.P. Thor
I was on vacation last week, so I went home to New Hampshire for a few days to see my parents. My dad is in a networking group where everyone wakes up at an ungodly hour once a week to schmooze and eat donuts. One of his networking buddies runs a funeral home that recently began offering pet cremations and memorial services. Through this connection, I was invited by Pet Passages (the animal funeral company whose website’s homepage features a big bright blue bird, a cute little cat, and a happy looking dog) to cover the funeral of a nine year old German Shepard named Thor.
It took me about an hour to figure out what to wear. I had been to plenty of human funerals before, but never one for an animal. In fact, when my dog Otis died my parents didn't even tell me until two months after it happened. I was away at university and asked my Mom, quite nonchalantly, on the phone one day how my beloved Bichon Frisé was doing. Spoiler alert: he was dead.
I decided an all black outfit was unnecessary for the occasion, so I opted for some sensible navy blue chinos and a gray sweater. I thought neutrals conveyed a message of “I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm not personally and/or emotionally invested in the death of your dog.â€
Throughout the drive, I attempted to subdue myself with mood music but wound up listening to Gwen Stefani’s Love. Angel. Music. Baby. after I found in the backseat of my car, blaring “Hollaback Girl†through the speakers like it was 2004 all over again. I was surprised to find Pet Passages had its own separate building, situated behind the chapel on the grounds of the cemetary. I was kind of expecting a taxidermied dog standing stiffly in the corner of a reception hall, but it turns out this business was much more established. Upon further research I discovered the dead pet industry is actually booming, because I guess there are all sorts of people out there who like their animals more than they like other human beings.
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The ominous entrance.
Since I was the first to arrive, I spent a good ten minutes faking enthusiasm as I examined a display of cremation merchandise. I was intrigued by the urn necklaces shaped like tiny paw prints, and wondered whether or not that idea was cutely commemorative or simply just creepy. A reporter from the local news station showed up with her cameraman. As a teenager, I used to mock Channel 9 in my best television anchor voice for over-hyping every winter storm and creating news stories out of completely mundane events. Unsurprisingly, we talked about the upcoming blizzard as we waited for the dog funeral to begin.
I was given a brief tour around the facilities: the reception area, the crematorium and the private goodbye, “Rainbow Bridge Room,†which I guess was named after a poem, but I found confusing as dogs and cats cannot see colors. A Thor shrine was set up around the fireplace. It included a framed photo, his collar, leash, and a flower arrangement of daisies shaped like a bone.
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The bone-shaped flower arrangement, obviously.
At five o'clock, Orman and Janice Melanson, the world's most adorable elderly couple, arrived with Thor's ashes in a small wooden box. Janice was talkative and bubbly and smiled a lot despite the somber setting. Orman was kind but quiet and walked with a cane. Janice claimedd she didn't know a T.V. reporter was going to be there, but she shined on camera like she's been waiting to be interviewed her whole life.
Before the service began, Orman and Janice answered reporters’ questions about their German Shepard. I am a dog lover through and through but I've never really been a fan of German Shepards because they have huge schnozes and remind me of Nazis. But as Orman described his companion, Thor, as “lovable and smaht (that's smart for all of you non-New Englanders) as a whip†I began to reconsider. “We needed Thor and Thor needed us,†said Janice as she and her husband settled into their seats to watch the tribute movie.
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The grieving couple.
The couple shared Thor stories and wiped away occasional tears as pictures of their lost dog flashed across the television screen. The video opened with a lot of innocuous death symbolism, like a falling leaf blowing in the breeze, set to a slow piano melody. Clearly the funeral home understood the meaning of mood music. A professional eulogy reader named Jo said a few words and read a poem. I zoned out during her speech, but I chatted with Jo later on about her job, which she assured me is not always so melancholy (she also does weddings and child welcomings).
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The professional eulogist.
I went into this assignment thinking that people who spend upwards of a thousand dollars on a pet's funeral are out of touch with reality and probably spent the better days of their teacup chihuahua's life pushing it around WalMart in a modified baby stroller. But the Melansons were compassionate people who wanted to care for their dog as much as he cared for them. When Orman slipped on the ice one day, Thor was there to prop him up until his owner could stand himself. Would a cat have done the same? Absolutely not, they're busy plotting how to overthrow their captors. Dogs deserve these lavish funerals because at the end of the day, when you come home from work, they just want to lick your face and love you unconditionally.
 
i don't think sperm, ovaries or fetuses have any sentience.
You think wrong.

Don't attempt to equate sperm or ovaries by themselves with a developing human being.
"FETUS: unborn human offspring after eight weeks of development."
There is no doubt that babies in later stages of pregnancy have "sentience"/awareness but physiology even suggests before 8 weeks.

"Human brain development is a protracted process that begins in the third gestational week... This paper will review some of the major events that contribute to the development of the human brain from its early embryonic state through adolescence. It begins by examining the foundational changes that occur during the embryonic period, which in humans extends through the eighth week post conception (gestational week eight, or GW8). By the end of the embryonic period the rudimentary structures of the brain and central nervous system are established and the major compartments of the central and peripheral nervous systems are defined (see Fig. 1). The ensuing period of fetal development extends through the end of gestation. During this time there is rapid growth and elaboration of both cortical and subcortical structures, including the rudiments of the major fiber pathways (Kostovic and Jovanov-Milosevic 2006); (Kostovic and Jovanov-Milosevic 2006). Changes in the gross morphology of the prenatal neural system are underpinned by changes occurring at the cellular level. Neuron production in humans begins on embryonic day 42. E42, i.e. 42 days post conception (Bystron et al. 2008; Stiles 2008) and is largely complete by midgestation. As they are produced neurons migrate to different brain areas where they begin to make connections with other neurons establishing rudimentary neural networks. By the end of the prenatal period major fiber pathways, including the thalamocortical pathway, are complete."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989000/

At 8 weeks gestation (long before many abortions are performed) - ALL body systems are intact, including the nervous system, which allows us to feel pain.
So, by the time many abortion murders are performed, he or she can feel his or body being ripped apart, limb by limb.
 
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Why do many people put animals in front of other humans. they don't care about aborted babies'
It's because people are becoming more and more narcissistic - selfish & self-centered.
They care only for that which gives them reward.
Pets love them back, without requiring much. Unborn children do not.

My friend from Africa was walking with me through the pet isle in the grocery store.
She was amazed at all of the stuff for pets & said, "Animals in America live better than many people!"

"Open thy mouth for the dumb (who have no voice) in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction." -Proverbs 31:8
 
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Animals have a Soul but not a Spirit.

animals have a ruach, they also have a nephesh, they don't have a yechida. that later is what from god and also the nephshima as that is too from god.neither do they have the nepesh chaya( when god animated men he breathed into us and we became a living soul, that what nephesh, body and chaya, life, means).
 
Okay, I've always been a huge animal lover, especially when it comes to dogs. Put me in a store full of animal products or something similar like a dog show or canine sports event, and I am pretty much in heaven--or, in the case of the latter two, I'd completely geek out. (Art supplies stores, art exhibits, and I imagine anime conventions do/would have a very similar effect.)
My pets tend to have a high priority in my life--for one, they eat much more healthful food than I do. I feed both of my current animals a homeprepared diet that I really did my homework on before feeding. Or, if for some reason I cant, I am willing to pay more to feed the best I can afford. Since I'm on vacation now, my dog is at the boarding kennel and he is eating food that cost me 40 bucks--for two 8 lb bags! (I do tend to be very lazy with things like walks, however, and sometimes feel guilty for not spending more time with my dog. I used to train and play with them daily in my early teens, but when I got older and developed broader interests I got out if the habit. I imagine Treader must get pretty bored sometimes.)

Anyways--no, I don't value animal life over human life. But I tend to be more attached to my animals than to most people, including my immediate family. I'd say I'm about as attached to my pets as I am to my friends. (I do highly value my friends.)

But that might be part of the reason some do value them more than human lives: they find animals much easier to get along with than people.

So even if I know it's wrong and don't have my attachment to animals quite that misplaced, I kinda feel like I can understand, TBH.

me too.I dont value animals over human lives but growing up I couldnt wait to be a crazy cat lady lol and by age 14 I knew I didnt want to have kids I wanted furbabies .Everyone said I would change my mind but here I am 33 and I havent ,Im a very happy maybe a bit strange lol cat lady and their big brother is my dachshund toby.I dont dislike children or anything I love my nieces and nephew.I will tell you what makes me sick is like the last time I went to my friends house her 2 yr old (whom my friend does not watch and all but ignores him)he was throwing their guinea pig against the wall and she saw and did nothing ,I just left i think i sat in my car and cried for half an hour.Its not his fault hes just 2 but its maddening that she does not care and she will scream at me if I do anything.
 
Really? =\
A long time ago we adopted a feral cat that a neighbor had saved from some kids who were trying to drown it. Kids can really be cruel sometimes.
The cat was a wild one; eventually we had to move to an apartment that didn't allow pets, so we had to put her in the shelter.

I think it was Albert Payson Terhune (author of a bunch of dog stories, mostly collies; also a collie breeder) who said that as a child he recalled swinging a beagle puppy by the ears. When his dad saw, he swung HIM by the ears. And he never did anything like that to animals again.
 
bonnie I know when one makes a choice not the have kids folks can get all over them.... I am not one of those I commended you for knowing yourself.. :thumbsup
 
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