Bible Study WHY!

[Chopper]

Presently, I'm studying the history of Israel, or the Jewish people....So, the Old Covenant (OT) was written concerning Israel.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Now we come to the New Covenant (NT). As it was for Israel, so it is with the writings of the Apostles etc. They are a history of the early churches that got established. The letters by Paul was to specific churches. Each one received instruction in righteousness.

Here's my question. The Bible is a holy Book of history concerning Israel and the early churches. What makes you think that those words are for us, 2,000 years later? As 1 Corinthians 10:11 says.it was an example to those early churches, and to anyone who was alive at that time.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

2 Timothy 3:16-17:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work".

That's all present tense.

 

[Obadiah]

The Bible is a holy Book of history concerning Israel and the early churches. What makes you think that those words are for us, 2,000 years later?

Are you referring to the whole Bible or to just the OT?

 

[Deborah13]

As 1 Corinthians 10:11 says.it was an example to those early churches, and to anyone who was alive at that time.

1Co 10:11 And all these things as types did happen to those persons, and they were written for our admonition, to whom the end of the ages did come,
Maybe...
What is written about the age before the age you are living in, is for you to learn from. Even though the Mosaic age was at an end, still there are things which are learning tools for the next age, our age. History repeats itself or is a type and anti-type. The day the law was given at Mt. Sinai, 3,000 people died, the day of Pentecost 3,000 were saved, law vs grace. The faithfulness of Elijah, even though he feared for his life from his own people, to the faithfulness of the apostles even though they were threatened the same.

 

[reba]

The OT is looking to the Cross the NT is looking to the Cross..... Why divide His people.. We are one... from Adam to Chopper...

 

[williamt]

The OT is looking to the Cross the NT is looking to the Cross..... Why divide His people.. We are one... from Adam to Chopper...

Right, Israel was always comprised of the faithful remnant, and not limited to some geographical lines created by the United Nations.

God bless,
William

 

[Malachi]

What makes you think that those words are for us, 2,000 years later? As 1 Corinthians 10:11 says.it was an example to those early churches, and to anyone who was alive at that time.

If that is how we viewed Scripture, none of it would apply to us. The fact is that it is an eternal book with eternal truths.

 

[eddif]

The Bible is a holy Book of history concerning Israel and the early churches.

Maybe the bible contains that history
And
Behind the scene information
How to see the things of God through creation
The Word became flesh
The history of angels actions
How to use the law today
I Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

And many, many mind boggling concepts.

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

The 2Pet. reference is already present and on an academic level, that is very scholarly but this goes much deeper than that in the Saved Man's life. The world is full of heretics and misguided souls teaching from one extreme to the other. The primary issue is the lack of complete study of the Word of God. From that, it appears, a lot of lies have become accepted as truth. One of these, "Some truth can be found in the Word of God because man has polluted God's truth with his own input."

In Psalm 12:6&7 we see God has inspired His promise to preserve His Word and to keep it holy. God's Word is holy, good for teaching, studying and in it we find Commands from God that every saved man must strive to obey. (I did not say you must obey for there is no forgiveness.) God, in His infinite wisdom has had His word preserved so that a First Grader can understand it, PRAISE GOD./

I am, sometimes, consulted because I am known in both the SCB and th MBA of Texas as one that loves history and as one that teaches a strong Prayer Life, teaching 24/7 prayer. I have witnessed more than one Missionary Baptist and Southern Baptist Church have it's Candle Stick removed when their Prayer Ministries died. The scriptures teach us to pray without ceasing. (1Thes. 5:16-18)

I try never to teach, other than prophecy, without Life Application. This is what has helped me to view the Bible in the manor I do. As I studied to prepare a lesson, seldom did God not give me both the text to teach from and the Life Application for it. The few times He did not do so as I studied, He was testing my faithfulness to go forward to teach or to preach but as I would pray before teaching, He revealed His plan to me.

God has recorded His plan for our lives but if we are to lazy, contrary of for what ever reason we do not read His Word on a daily basis, then we invalidate it's meaning to us but the instant we return to our first love, it begins to impact our lives again.

 

[Sinthesis]

We get to examine how things worked out before Christ's work, and then compare and contrast those situations to how things work when Jesus' doctrine is applied or rejected to our situations.

 

[eddif]

Presently, I'm studying the history of Israel, or the Jewish people....So, the Old Covenant (OT) was written concerning Israel.

Isaiah 19:25
Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

So much of the OT is about the NC. Egypt being a 1/3 part with Israel (Isaiah 19) just is beyond my understanding, but I am seeking. The Coptic church is sort of a highway between those countries. Or I can look at Pentecost and see all nations about to receive changed persons back from that day, and later the gentile inclusion.

Future prophetic and back flashes are common in both testaments.

I am for the unity of thought. I want to see Isaiah 19 in the fulness of God's intention. Not in man's attempts, but Holy Spirit working it out. Some probably exists right now. Oh for the day when the through a glass darkly is gone.

eddif

 

[Chopper]

2 Timothy 3:16-17:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work".

That's all present tense.

Thank you Rollo, my good friend. I am looking for Scripture that proves that the Bible's verses are for me today as well as those who lived in the first century who were receiving the letters and so on.

The verse you quoted can be argued that it is for the people of that time because there is no statement that's it for today.

 

[Chopper]

Are you referring to the whole Bible or to just the OT?

The whole Bible especially the New Covenant (NT)....I want Scripture that states that modern Christians are responsible for what is written to the Churches.

 

[Deborah13]

The whole Bible especially the New Covenant (NT)....I want Scripture that states that modern Christians are responsible for what is written to the Churches.

I don't know that there is such a verse. I think that the NT is the last written word we have from God. In the written word, He never put a limit of time that it was valid for, therefore, it remains valid until He does something different.
Example, He said that the old covenant was until the Messiah should come. But I don't see anything like that about the new covenant. Which says to me, we keep the new covenant, indefinitely.

 

[ezrider]

The whole Bible especially the New Covenant (NT)....I want Scripture that states that modern Christians are responsible for what is written to the Churches.

Chopper, I have a number of thoughts that I could share, and if time permits maybe I will try and share some of them later tonight or over the weekend. But before I do, can you please clarify what you mean when you use the word "responsible"? There is a lot riding on that particular word. Are we responsible for the works it demands? Or are we responsible to understand the failures and triumphs of those that are written about?

 

[stovebolts]

Hebrews 4:1-11 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[eddif]

I Peter 1:10
Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

II Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Ok I finally hear the question. And. Well. Wow.

Hearing the voice of God. His sheep know his voice and a stranger they will not follow. I, in the past, cringed when I heard "know that I know", but the above scriptures show that prophets operate outside knowing everything just according to knowledge.

Speak lord for thy servant heareth is just about where we are. The Word became flesh (Jesus). So you will not see it written in stone, but in men's hearts, and a discerner of spirits may have to help us know whom to trust.

A lot of times I trust Reba and Deborah 13 to be in a prophetic mode. ( your sons and daughters shall prophesy). I hear twinges from several others at times. You have to believe in spiritual gifts to wind up in earthern vessels.

I do not know all of who I am. If you cull me I will still press forward to the high calling in Christ Jesus. We all are in this together .

eddif

 

[ezrider]

Chopper, Let me ask you another question that you might think upon. How long has the Bible existed? Now I am not talking about the manuscripts, but the modern Bible. When in the history of the world has the written word of God known as the Bible been accessible to each and all in their own language like it is today? Why do you think that is?

 

[Sinthesis]

The NT is definitely for us today, just as it was for those living 500 or 1000 or even 1500yrs ago. That doesn't mean it was written about us, or even to us, given many of the books explain exactly who they were written to. However, the fact that we can identify with the people of the first century(or any century) allows us to transfer and apply the teaching given them to our lives, when appropriate. Sometimes it is not appropriate.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Thank you Rollo, my good friend. I am looking for Scripture that proves that the Bible's verses are for me today as well as those who lived in the first century who were receiving the letters and so on.

The verse you quoted can be argued that it is for the people of that time because there is no statement that's it for today.

Now you're sounding like an atheist I used to debate on this forum.