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Women Wearing Pants?

Help me out here, Joe... I truly want to understand...

Just what is the "double standard"... That women can wear both pants and skirts/dresses, but men can only wear pants?

Somehow, I don't think this is your bottom line issue... unless you're really wanting to wear a skirt, in which case, by all means go ahead and wear a kilt... they are distinctively men's clothing... ;) (I am kidding)

Seriously, though... I really don't think the "double standard" you're referring to is that women have more fashion choices than men do...

So, what is it?
 
It's not just this pants/skirt thing. It's the way the feminists have made anything a woman does acceptable. There is just too much entitlement mentality among most women today. It's like they can never be wrong. Even those who are Christian insist on interpreting the bible in a way that conforms to the feminist agenda
 
Do people really have difficulty seeing that women's pants are men's pants are not the same, and that they're each gender specific?
 
It's not just this pants/skirt thing. It's the way the feminists have made anything a woman does acceptable. There is just too much entitlement mentality among most women today. It's like they can never be wrong. Even those who are Christian insist on interpreting the bible in a way that conforms to the feminist agenda

So because we believe in equality and women wearing pants, we are conforming scripture to the feminist agenda?

That's a pretty huge leap.
 
My wife doesn't need to wear a dress for me to know that she is a women. ..

Boidae21: As a husband myself I can only say that pants are hugely suitable and practical for a woman.
 
I can't believe anyone has issues with women wearing slacks. Women have done so for decades. Rosie the Riveter and her generation definitely did during WWII...and each decade forward has accepted slacks on women.

Women wearing slacks definitely did not have its origins with libbers.

I, for one, would never wear a dress or a skirt/suit while on stage or raised platform giving a talk. And during the winters my area endures, there's no way I'm wearing a dress or skirt/suit in below freezing/sub-zero temps. And for the record, I am not a libber. I dress for comfort, modesty.
 
I can't believe anyone has issues with women wearing slacks. Women have done so for decades. Rosie the Riveter and her generation definitely did during WWII...and each decade forward has accepted slacks on women.

Women wearing slacks definitely did not have its origins with libbers.

I, for one, would never wear a dress or a skirt/suit while on stage or raised platform giving a talk. And during the winters my area endures, there's no way I'm wearing a dress or skirt/suit in below freezing/sub-zero temps. And for the record, I am not a libber. I dress for comfort, modesty.

AirDancer:

Without getting into individual women's particular reasons for strongly desiring to wear pants, yet I would suggest that pants — particularly in the public setting you describe — give women an aura of professionalism and extra confidence, and in this post-Suffragette era this is something that has long emerged naturally and with strong justification.

(Two cents'.)
 
So because we believe in equality and women wearing pants, we are conforming scripture to the feminist agenda?

That's a pretty huge leap.

I don't believe in equality. Men and women are very different.

I also don't believe women should work outside the home
 
I don't believe in equality. Men and women are very different.

I also don't believe women should work outside the home

Then you and I disagree immensely.

The two genders are different, but they are very much equal.

I have no issues with my wife working outside the home. She enjoys going to work her one or two days a week and enjoys being around her co-workers. She also knows that she needs to work outside the home because I don't make enough money in order to support the both of us.

She just celebrated her 12th year with Olive Garden.

I never understood the whole "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" mentality, that they aren't allowed to work outside the home. I just don't get it and probably never will. It all just seems like a male power trip and control issue.

Some days I am ashamed to call myself a man because of what other men do and say.
 
I am amazed that anyone thinks dresses are more modest than pants. I grew up in a Pentecostal church, and the ushers would go crazy at an alter call when women started falling down in their dresses. They would have to grab a small blanket we had supplies of on hand, and drape them over womens legs as they lay on the floor. Why they thought this was a better idea than allowing women to wear pants was beyond me.
 
I never understood the whole "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" mentality, that they aren't allowed to work outside the home. I just don't get it and probably never will. It all just seems like a male power trip and control issue.

1 Peter 3:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
 
It's not just this pants/skirt thing. It's the way the feminists have made anything a woman does acceptable. There is just too much entitlement mentality among most women today. It's like they can never be wrong. Even those who are Christian insist on interpreting the bible in a way that conforms to the feminist agenda

Now we're getting to the heart of this issue... it's not so much the pants, as the attitude that women are to be served and men are to just suck it up and deal with it...

And, I agree with you, it is a prevelent attitude that is definately out in the world and is most certainly creeping ever inward into the church.

What to do?

Well, as I said earlier somewhere in my many postings today, Satan doesn't care how we err... just as long as we remain in error. If Satan can lead me astray by feminism... he will... just as if he can lead you, Joe, astray by misogny, he will.

The key is for me to not get sucked into the feminist ideas that are being pushed and for you to not be all bitter and hating on women for wearing pants, but for each of us to bring it all back to the Scriptures and align our thoughts with them.

Scripturally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a woman wearing feminie clothing, even if those clothes are in the form of pants. There is a company that makes male looking clothes for butch lesbians and women transvetites and it would be very sinful for a woman to wear them...because their very purpose is to make her look as much as a man as is possible. It would be just as sinful for a man to wear exactly what I'm wearing at this moment, a light blue blouse with embroidered flowers, women's jeans and women's sandals... any man wearing what I'm wearing at this moment would be violating Exodus 22.

And, there is nothing wrong with a woman working outside the home, even the Proverbs 31 woman purchased a field and planted a vineyard... but the goal must be to do this as a helpmeet to her husband, increasing the resources of the household, not for selfish reasons and especially not so that she can increase her assets so that she can kick him to the curb when she can take care of herself.

There is a lot wrong with the attitude that women should, by default and for no more reason than because they're women, be believed in a he said/she said situation, be given the house, the kids, the furniture and the guy booted out to the street, just because she's the woman and he's the guy... Oh yes, our modern western world is getting a little overboard on the woman thing... and in some churches (and I'm sitting in the office of one of them as I type this) feminism has most certainly overshadowed biblical truth.

Joe, you have an important insight to share here... an important and valuable caution, even rebuke against encroaching feminism in the church....

The best way to get that message across though is to focus on the actual sins of feminism.. .that it violates God given roles, it violates the principle of male headship, it violates the principle of wifely submission... it violates the general principle that all Christians, male and female alike, are to live by and that is humility, each thinking of the other's needs first.

But, don't get caught up in unimportant things such as a woman wearing pants. When you make a stand on that, it's shaky ground scripturally, because there is nothing in the Scriptures that women can't wear pants, just that no person of either sex is to wear the opposite sex's clothes. And because it's not scriptural, even your brothers and sisters in the Lord get the impression that you're little more than a troll just trying to flame the board, rather than a guy who has an important point to make.
 
1 Peter 3:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

From the way you speak, it doesn't seem that you are following that scripture.

Also, just because they are the weaker vessel in no way implies that they are not equal to us. What they lack in strength they make up for in many other things which equals us out.
 
Then you and I disagree immensely.

The two genders are different, but they are very much equal.

I have no issues with my wife working outside the home. She enjoys going to work her one or two days a week and enjoys being around her co-workers. She also knows that she needs to work outside the home because I don't make enough money in order to support the both of us.

She just celebrated her 12th year with Olive Garden.

I never understood the whole "women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" mentality, that they aren't allowed to work outside the home. I just don't get it and probably never will. It all just seems like a male power trip and control issue.

Some days I am ashamed to call myself a man because of what other men do and say.

Men and women are very much equal in the Lord... that is scripturally sound.

Husbands and wives do have differeing roles... and the wife's primary role is as helpmeet to her husband. It sounds as if your wife is doing just this... adding to the financial stablity of the home, just as the Proverbs 31 woman did with her sucessful selling of garments and belts, and her vineyards.

I think with some men, it is a power trip... but I also think that some men who have been burned badly by the current trend towards feminism in the West are just reacting to their gut feeling (and a correct one at that) that things aren't as God would have them be.
 
I don't believe in equality. Men and women are very different.

I also don't believe women should work outside the home

joe:

Try the woman in Proverbs 31, who considered a field and bought it. Or Lydia, whose heart the Lord opened in Acts, who was a seller of purple and employed people.
 
I don't believe in equality. Men and women are very different.

I also don't believe women should work outside the home


Joe Please read this slowly grasp what is says...
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Pro 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
Pro 31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
Pro 31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
 
My thought is,,,,,,,

What if a crossdresser who wishes to stop crossdressing starts to attend church looking for strength and support. He reads Deut 22;5 and thinks that his crossdressing is wrong.

But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

At church he sees Christian women wearing pants and everyone accepts it. Now in his mind he starts to think that Deut 22;5 does not really apply and that he can wear women's clothing.

The poor guy will become an abomination to God all because of women in pants.
This is nothing new Adam blamed Eve in the beginning....he was not man enough to face his own sin.

What was the style of clothing 4000 years ago? did men wear pants?
 
It's not just this pants/skirt thing. It's the way the feminists have made anything a woman does acceptable. There is just too much entitlement mentality among most women today. It's like they can never be wrong. Even those who are Christian insist on interpreting the bible in a way that conforms to the feminist agenda

Hey Joe, Elijah here.
Do you refer to this as being Kind of like the 'subtle change' of the teamwork of cival rights, + women + racial, & the gay stuff kind of all working together?? Even the last 25 or so years we found the skirts going up & the neckline going down. And TV?? they tell me that cable is about as bad as satan desires?

Can you remember when we never needed to lock our house doors? And swearing in front of a woman by the non/christian was even rare. And crime??? You even have women as the most vile speaking & violent offenders today. Even killing their own children! And abortion??? It is not only the young girl, but the parents + doctors & even many of the church pastor's who recomend such a 'moral' crime today.

And Joe, who is it that are the most accountable of all of these ones? Rev. 17:1-5 has documented what these ones 'really' are ! Hey, and to be honest with you Joe, I think that this mostly came about because the 'women' started wearing the pants of the house, & the 'men' became what I call she/shims, my own word meaning male cop/outs!:(

And 'i' would think some of the women could tell you some real true stories of how Christ has changed them, if He has?
 
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