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World wide crop failures

JudaicChristian

JudaicChristian

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World wide crop failures expected to continue due to diverse weather. Drastic rise in prices of food expected due to world shortages.
 
Well, we can hope it's true. I mean, we are all looking for a sign of the end times and what better place to look than NBC?

So, cross your fingers and hope for starvation and inflation - the more hungry people and more poverty stricken we are - the close the Lord is, right?
 
Pizzaguy said:
Well, we can hope it's true. I mean, we are all looking for a sign of the end times and what better place to look than NBC?

So, cross your fingers and hope for starvation and inflation - the more hungry people and more poverty stricken we are - the close the Lord is, right?
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Amo 5:18-20 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Why would you have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light, as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him. Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?

I used to think that wanting the end to come, and looking unto Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith, was the same thing. Then I came across this. It seems God has some rather strong words about the end. While I think its a good thing to desire the new heavens and earth, it also means a time of great sorrow and a time when God will wipe out all those who are wicked and still alive on the earth.

Its not going to be so much a happy time.

Just thought it would be good to keep things in perspective.
 
Nathan,

I posted the same thing you posted.... only in a different way.

In other words, thanks for making my point even more obvious! :thumbsup
 
StoveBolts said:
Isn't it so nice to know that we're subsidizing farmers NOT to grow food....
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Isn't that just to protect wildlife preserves?

The whole idea of agricultural subsidies is that it raises the incentives for small farmers. That is, it creates an artificial price floor for farmers without actually affecting supply and demand. Whether or not it actual helps the average farmer is a matter of contention.
 
Pizzaguy said:
Nathan,

I posted the same thing you posted.... only in a different way.

In other words, thanks for making my point even more obvious! :thumbsup
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No prob bob...err...Mark.;) Sometimes it helps to just have some good ole words from God Himself to take a gander at.
 
Nathan said:
Amo 5:18-20 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Why would you have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light, as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him. Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?

I used to think that wanting the end to come, and looking unto Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith, was the same thing. Then I came across this. It seems God has some rather strong words about the end. While I think its a good thing to desire the new heavens and earth, it also means a time of great sorrow and a time when God will wipe out all those who are wicked and still alive on the earth.

Its not going to be so much a happy time.

Just thought it would be good to keep things in perspective.
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Hi Nathan.

I’m a little confused here. :confused: Do we not ask the Lord to return in ‘The Lord’s Prayerâ€.<O:p
 
l'Chante said:
Hi Nathan.

I’m a little confused here. :confused: Do we not ask the Lord to return in ‘The Lord’s Prayerâ€.<O:p
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Great question. This is exactly one of the places I used to get the idea that the 'end of all things' would be a good thing. Along with;

2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!

And;

Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

So here we have Peter telling us we should be 'hastening' the coming of the day of God. And John sounds very excited when he says 'Come, Lord Jesus!'. But I think that it all revolves around the context. They were not looking for the 'end' for what it is, they were looking for the end for the "end". In other words. Some people look for the end and see things getting 'bad' and actually rejoice to see them because it seems like Jesus would be coming soon.

In Amos, they were looking for the end so that the 'dogs' would burned up and the Messiah would set up His Kingdom. Sounds good in all respects, but the thing we see that God does not like is the idea that the wicked will at that time be cut off and there will be no more time of repentance. He does not take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. And some people look forward to the end in 'pleasure' to see the destruction of all the things that make us mad and hurt us.

In the prayer Jesus talks about the Kingdom of God in the aspect of His will being done in all mankind. His will is for all men to come to repentance. So its not a desire for the end, its a desire for His reign. Does that make sense?

This is what we see in the other two examples also. In context, Peter is speaking about the patience of the Lord. That we should not count Him 'slacking'. And John, he makes his statement after hearing Jesus say three times, "behold, I am coming soon!". So John was looking to Jesus and His appearing in the positive sense, not in the negative sense of what will happen.

I know that it can be hard to differentiate between. Because with one we get the other. The two cannot be separated. But our focus, our desire, should be only that we see Jesus ruling and reigning. But it should NEVER come at the expense of thinking, "oh well, to bad so sad for those who do not believe". We should earnestly desire to see Him come, but at the same time earnestly desire that all men would repent and turn before He comes. I hope that makes sense. The point is to have both desires in mind, and not let one be negative so that it 'tips' the scale for the other one to happen sooner.

Think about it that way. In God's perfect will you have two sides of the scale. On one side you have Jesus and His Kingdom. On the other side you have punishment and destruction. The two go hand in hand when speaking about the end. So in the minds of the Jewish people, back then, and even in our minds now, some see this and say; "you know what, lets put all our chips over on this side of the scale so it will tip in this direction and we will get what WE want". All the while they care less about the repentance of wicked people to come to the Lord. Where as, what we are called to do is to put our chips on both sides equally. Desire the ruling and reigning of Jesus, but also the long suffering and patience of God in brining the end so that more people will come to repentance.

Thats about all I got. I hope that it all comes across clear enough.
 
Nathan said:
Amo 5:18-20 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Why would you have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light, as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him. Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?

I used to think that wanting the end to come, and looking unto Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith, was the same thing. Then I came across this. It seems God has some rather strong words about the end. While I think its a good thing to desire the new heavens and earth, it also means a time of great sorrow and a time when God will wipe out all those who are wicked and still alive on the earth.

Its not going to be so much a happy time.

Just thought it would be good to keep things in perspective.
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Nathan,

Amen and amen.

Joe
 
Gendou Ikari said:
Isn't that just to protect wildlife preserves?

The whole idea of agricultural subsidies is that it raises the incentives for small farmers. That is, it creates an artificial price floor for farmers without actually affecting supply and demand. Whether or not it actual helps the average farmer is a matter of contention.
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Hi Gendou,

I'm not sure on the wild life preserves, but I know in Washington State they pay wheat farmers not to grow wheat on what's basically sterile ground because it's been farmed so much. I've heard the same for the midwest regarding corn.

When I was a truck driver hauling wheat, peas and lentils in Washington state, the farmers explained it to me that they were subsidized based on supply and demand so that the price of a bushel would stay within a certain range. I believe the calculation was based on wheat reserves and futures.

I've never really read much on subsidies, but that's what the farmers told me.
 
Nathan said:
Great question. This is exactly one of the places I used to get the idea that the 'end of all things' would be a good thing. Along with;

2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!

And;

Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

So here we have Peter telling us we should be 'hastening' the coming of the day of God. And John sounds very excited when he says 'Come, Lord Jesus!'. But I think that it all revolves around the context. They were not looking for the 'end' for what it is, they were looking for the end for the "end". In other words. Some people look for the end and see things getting 'bad' and actually rejoice to see them because it seems like Jesus would be coming soon.

In Amos, they were looking for the end so that the 'dogs' would burned up and the Messiah would set up His Kingdom. Sounds good in all respects, but the thing we see that God does not like is the idea that the wicked will at that time be cut off and there will be no more time of repentance. He does not take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. And some people look forward to the end in 'pleasure' to see the destruction of all the things that make us mad and hurt us.

In the prayer Jesus talks about the Kingdom of God in the aspect of His will being done in all mankind. His will is for all men to come to repentance. So its not a desire for the end, its a desire for His reign. Does that make sense?

This is what we see in the other two examples also. In context, Peter is speaking about the patience of the Lord. That we should not count Him 'slacking'. And John, he makes his statement after hearing Jesus say three times, "behold, I am coming soon!". So John was looking to Jesus and His appearing in the positive sense, not in the negative sense of what will happen.

I know that it can be hard to differentiate between. Because with one we get the other. The two cannot be separated. But our focus, our desire, should be only that we see Jesus ruling and reigning. But it should NEVER come at the expense of thinking, "oh well, to bad so sad for those who do not believe". We should earnestly desire to see Him come, but at the same time earnestly desire that all men would repent and turn before He comes. I hope that makes sense. The point is to have both desires in mind, and not let one be negative so that it 'tips' the scale for the other one to happen sooner.

Think about it that way. In God's perfect will you have two sides of the scale. On one side you have Jesus and His Kingdom. On the other side you have punishment and destruction. The two go hand in hand when speaking about the end. So in the minds of the Jewish people, back then, and even in our minds now, some see this and say; "you know what, lets put all our chips over on this side of the scale so it will tip in this direction and we will get what WE want". All the while they care less about the repentance of wicked people to come to the Lord. Where as, what we are called to do is to put our chips on both sides equally. Desire the ruling and reigning of Jesus, but also the long suffering and patience of God in brining the end so that more people will come to repentance.

Thats about all I got. I hope that it all comes across clear enough.
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:thumbsup

We see this contrast when the Israelites cross the Red Sea. God does not take pleasure in the destruction of people. After Pharaoh and all his horsmen were drowned, Isreal finds herself thirsty contending with the bitter waters at Marah (Exodus 15), from there, we see the 12 wells of water representing the 12 tribes and the 70 palm trees, representing the 70 Elders at Elim.

This poses the question, was Miriam just in her rejoicing to the LORD?
 
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