Would all Preterists Please Check In Here

[nonbelieverforums]

I am somewhat curious to know how many Preterists are left on this site. In the summer there was at least 20 or so, now I only see a few. All the main Preterists have gone (with their tail in between their legs perhaps)?

If you hold the full or partial view could you please check in..

 

[Free]

Why would anyone want to check in with your unnecessary comment? What is the point of this thread?

 

[Vic C.]

LOL, there were never 20! 7-8, maybe. Also, some of them are partial preterists. There is a distinction and it's been made clear many times. In all fairness, the commentators who fail to make this distinction are duping those who read their commentaries and don't know the difference.

All those who study eschatology wshould strive to learn the many positions and the basic tenants of each.

Just imagine if I were to discuss or debate something knowing little about the other viewpoint.

 

[Drew]

I am somewhat curious to know how many Preterists are left on this site. In the summer there was at least 20 or so, now I only see a few. All the main Preterists have gone (with their tail in between their legs perhaps)?

If you hold the full or partial view could you please check in..

Are you referring to those of us who believe that when Jesus looks at a temple, and turns to his audience and basically says "Do you see these stones? They will be torn down in this generation", that he actually means what he says?

Well, I am one of those people, yes.

Are you referring to those of us who believe that when Jesus quotes Daniel 7 about "coming on the clouds", He is intending the reader to understand the image in the way it is used in the context from which He quotes, and therefore cannot be referring to a 2nd coming?

Well, I am one of those people, yes.

So what would you like to dicuss?

 

[toddm]

I'm a partial preterist, meaning that i believe that all "end times" events were accomplished in the judging of Israel in 70 AD, EXCEPT the literal 2nd Coming of Christ, the Final Judgment, and the Final Resurrection - I believe these events that are still in the future will happen all at the same time.

I'd also classify myself as an optimistic amillennialist or postmillennialist (already in the "millennium", which is figurative)

 

[Drew]

Hi Todd:

I assume that your avatar is not you. If it is, you should see a doctor immediately.

 

[parousia70]

All the main Preterists have gone (with their tail in between their legs perhaps)?

LOL, this coming from the guy who's too scared to let preterists post anything on his own site.
priceless.

If you hold the full or partial view could you please check in..

ALL Christians subscribe to some degree of preterism.
Even you.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

LOL, this coming from the guy who's too scared to let preterists post anything on his own site.
priceless.

hmmmm bending and twisting again... my this sounds familiar..

Let see we have a man who wants to join a prophecy forum and interfere in discussions with a believer and a nonbeliever. A heated debate erupts between a Preterist and the believer while the nonbeliever goes a running thinking all Christians are nuts and confused because they can't agree on their endtime view.

Satan's work accomplished.

The site you mention uses prophecy as a means to get people to open their minds then their hearts so they may accept Christ and his love, not argue scripture as a hobby and to pass away your retirement time..

All you want to do is confuse a nonbeliever thats it. As a believer in Jesus Christ do you really have any intention to meet someone and have them accept Christ or learn about Christ's love? Why would you it's absent from your game plan.

Your just looken to get your party on... No thanks man..

You have been on here for years all you have done is argue and fight scripture like it's a game or hobby. If you can show me evidence of one single person you have brought to Christ in any kind of docterine I will let you in.


Keep on partying wining those debates and lawn bowling on the weekends. I will be preaching the gospel and bringing newcomers to Christ. I believe you said that anyone who comes to Christ that is not under the Preterist view is lost.. Well I don't see you bringing anyone to Christ ever. Let me know when you're ready.

 

[researcher]

Partial

 

[westtexas]

You have been on here for years all you have done is argue and fight scripture like it's a game or hobby. If you can show me evidence of one single person you have brought to Christ in any kind of docterine I will let you in.

Parousia did not bring me to Christ but I have learned alot from my discussions with him in the past just as I have with many others on this forum who hold a different point of view than I do. When I don't agree with someone it makes me study a little harder to prove (or sometimes dis-prove) my point of view. We are not necessarily here to convert each other, only to discuss and learn. All of this is just my 2 cents worth for whatever it's worth.
Westtexas

 

[parousia70]

LOL, this coming from the guy who's too scared to let preterists post anything on his own site.
priceless.

hmmmm bending and twisting again... my this sounds familiar..

Let see we have a man who wants to join a prophecy forum and interfere in discussions with a believer and a nonbeliever. A heated debate erupts between a Preterist and the believer while the nonbeliever goes a running thinking all Christians are nuts and confused because they can't agree on their endtime view.

Futurists can't agree with one another on their endtime view, so banning preterists hardly solves that problem.

Satan's work accomplished.

Satan is powerless to prevent ANYONE from choosing Christ.

All you want to do is confuse a nonbeliever thats it. As a believer in Jesus Christ do you really have any intention to meet someone and have them accept Christ or learn about Christ's love? Why would you it's absent from your game plan.

You have accused me of this before and I have repeatedly told you your accusations are baseless.
Of course I continually strive to show the non believer
"The Way"
You have no reason to believe otherwise about me. No reason at all.

If you can show me evidence of one single person you have brought to Christ in any kind of docterine I will let you in.

Have you visited the website in my signature?
It's ALL about bringing the lost to Christ. Entirely.

Lets see...aside from that, it's actually the inconsistencies and inherent fallacies of futurism that have turned away many a seeker, and the strength of preterism that brings them back.

Here's a couple links that demonstrate this, and that I have used successfully when I argue FOR Christ and against Atheism, agnosticism, Judiasm, Bhuddism, Hinduism, etc...

"The Destruction of Jerusalem, an Absolute and Irresistible proof of the divine origins of Christianity"
http://www.amazon.com/Destruction-Jerus ... 0967831725

"Jews reject Christianity because of Futurism"
http://www.preterism.info/jews-reject-futurism.htm
(Preterism is the ONLY answer to this objection)

I believe you said that anyone who comes to Christ that is not under the Preterist view is lost..

Your belief is clearly mistaken. I have NEVER said or even implied ANY such thing.

Well I don't see you bringing anyone to Christ ever.

Funny, I have never seen you bring anyone to Christ either.
Has anybody on this forum ever witnessed you bring anyone to Christ??
Should we then accuse you of never bringing anyone to Christ simply because we have never seen you do it?

Let me know when you're ready.

Now is Good.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Where would your heart be as far as your intentions to join the site? This is the issue.. You're just looking to cause """" """ well you know !! Do you really want to change lives is that your objective? Are you going to minister to people, talk about how lives can be changed through the gospel of Christ?

Lets go back and look at all your posts.. when it comes to discussions about gods love or something spirtual you're know where to be found are you ?

You just want to argue docterine and pass time.. nothing in favour of Christ or life changing ever.. No hope, no learning about god's love.. If the docterine is not hopeless make no mistake your objectives are.


So below is a list of the most popular people who hold the futurist view. Regardless of the fact you don't accept the view.. Take a good look and see how many have a call to Christ to be saved at the end of their message be it video or blog.. Get my point.. Even if you don't agree with the view at the end of the day people are accepting Christ and lives are being changed. Do you even care about that objective at all? So are they all lost then? Are they condemned to hell because they accept Christ through the futurist view and not your view ??

http://www.nonbelieverforums.com/forums ... -propercy/

Your heart is the wrong place at least as far as what you want to do on the site.

God will judge you by your heart not your actions.. I think the same way..

Drive Safely Mate !

P.S. We all know how you love your games challenges and quizzes. I asked you to prove to me that teaching the gospel or bringing people to Christ is in your current game plan. Prove it.. (second request) I will do the same after I hear from you. I asked you first.

 

[parousia70]

Where would your heart be as far as your intentions to join the site? This is the issue..

Clearly, it's to show nonbelievers that reject Christianity because they can not accept the futurist premise, that futurists aren't the only Christians and that there is a Christian endtime view that answers their objections and allows them to embrace the truth of Christ in spite of their well founded objections to the futurist view.

Do you really want to change lives is that your objective? Are you going to minister to people, talk about how lives can be changed through the gospel of Christ?

Given the Chance, yes.
Of course your fear of some perceived ulterior "satanic" motive behind me will likely prevent you from ever giving me that chance on your site.
And ya know what? I'm ok with that.

Lets go back and look at all your posts.. when it comes to discussions about gods love or something spirtual you're know where to be found are you ?

Because I choose to post in the eschatology forum on this site about eschatology, what basis do you have for claiming I NEVER post anywhere else or are not active in my community in discussing Gods love and bringing the good news of the gospel to the non believer?
You have no basis at all....it's clearly your fear of preterism that blinds you to even the possibility that I am a positive force for Christ in the world. Something I have not nor ever would accuse you or any futurist of. Ever.

You have been the one claiming my eschatology is anti Christian.
I have never said that about you, or Futuism. EVER.
I'll let our readers decide for themselves who's heart is in the right place on that point.

You just want to argue docterine and pass time..

Isn't that the entire point of this thread YOU created?
The thread topic clearly isn't about Bringing the good news of the Gospel to the masses.... it's to put down preterists, that's alll.... nothing redeeming or spiritual about it..... nothing in favor of Christ or life changing... nope...no hope, no learning about Gods Love....... this thread was created by you to belittle preterists and for no other reason.

So are they all lost then? Are they condemned to hell because they accept Christ through the futurist view and not your view ??

Of course not. Where did you come up with that straw man anyway??
I have ALWAYS asserted that ones eschatology has absolutely ZERO bearing on ones salvation status.
It's YOU who have been claiming otherwise, that preterism is antichristian.
You have created this fallacy about my view out of whole cloth just so you can tear it down.
Why don't you offer up an objection to something I have actually stated as a belief instead of creating beliefs I do not hold, attributing them to me, then condemning me for them?
Our readers see through that tactic waaay to easily.

I asked you to prove to me that teaching the gospel or bringing people to Christ is in your current game plan. Prove it.. (second request)

and again (for the second time) I point you to the website that's been in my signature since I began posting here at CF.net.

:yes

 

[westtexas]

http://www.greateststoryevertold.org

There is salvation in no one else pretty much sums it up!!!!
Edited to add---I think he proved it NBF, now it's your turn!
Westtexas

 

[Cornelius]

What Preterists miss is that God uses history as a prophectic tool:

Whatever has happened before will happen [again]. Whatever has been done before will be done [again]. There is nothing new under the sun.
Eccl 1:9

Paul also speaks of the end of ages (plural) . 70 AD was just such an end of one age and now we are in the other end of the last age.We are in the bigger repeat now.Preterists see only what has happened (yes it did happen like that !) but they do not see that God repeats history, so they get stuck in the one event.

 

[parousia70]

What Preterists miss is that God uses history as a prophectic tool:

Whatever has happened before will happen [again]. Whatever has been done before will be done [again]. There is nothing new under the sun.
Eccl 1:9

Paul also speaks of the end of ages (plural) . 70 AD was just such an end of one age and now we are in the other end of the last age.We are in the bigger repeat now.Preterists see only what has happened (yes it did happen like that !) but they do not see that God repeats history, so they get stuck in the one event.

Shall we look for another Virgin Birth then?
Another Crusifixion?
Another 3rd day rising?

Does Jesus Work on the Cross simply prefigure some future, greater redemption from sin?

 

[nonbelieverforums]

My issue is your intentions to join my site.. I can argue the docterine forever.

My game plan is to bring new commers Christ, I believe your involvement will interfere with that.

Hense my answer is no !!

 

[Cornelius]

What Preterists miss is that God uses history as a prophectic tool:

Whatever has happened before will happen [again]. Whatever has been done before will be done [again]. There is nothing new under the sun.
Eccl 1:9

Paul also speaks of the end of ages (plural) . 70 AD was just such an end of one age and now we are in the other end of the last age.We are in the bigger repeat now.Preterists see only what has happened (yes it did happen like that !) but they do not see that God repeats history, so they get stuck in the one event.

Shall we look for another Virgin Birth then?
Another Crusifixion?
Another 3rd day rising?

Does Jesus Work on the Cross simply prefigure some future, greater redemption from sin?

The other virgin birth is happening right now. The church is the mother who is receiving the Word of God. Those who receive this Word, will also produce Christ in them.

The other crucifixion is happening right now too in those who are following Christ. "I have been crucified with Christ and no longer live (Gal 2:20)

The third day rising is about to happen to the church.

Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: on the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live before him.

 

[parousia70]

What Preterists miss is that God uses history as a prophectic tool:

Whatever has happened before will happen [again]. Whatever has been done before will be done [again]. There is nothing new under the sun.
Eccl 1:9

Paul also speaks of the end of ages (plural) . 70 AD was just such an end of one age and now we are in the other end of the last age.We are in the bigger repeat now.Preterists see only what has happened (yes it did happen like that !) but they do not see that God repeats history, so they get stuck in the one event.

Shall we look for another Virgin Birth then?
Another Crusifixion?
Another 3rd day rising?

Does Jesus Work on the Cross simply prefigure some future, greater redemption from sin?

The other virgin birth is happening right now. The church is the mother who is receiving the Word of God. Those who receive this Word, will also produce Christ in them.

The other crucifixion is happening right now too in those who are following Christ. "I have been crucified with Christ and no longer live (Gal 2:20)

The third day rising is about to happen to the church.

Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: on the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live before him.

And after that, another? and another? and another?

The notion that things keep repeating renders any sort of
"terminus" point untenable, fort here could always be some greater yet future fulfillment.

How can you say something will ever be completely fulfilled if you asseret that everything gets repeated?

 

[Cornelius]

I am sorry if you are under the impression that its my opinion, because its not. I took that verse directly out of the Word. I am also not the creator of this thought, its a well known principle in Christianity.

It obviously ends when this world ends. Until then.....it repeats.

Now Eccl also tells us that people will forget this important fact, which we know is also true. The fact that you are debating this Biblical truth , shows indeed that people have ignored this.


9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.