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Would Jesus sell His articles and the WORD HE PREACHED?
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Kenny_ms
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No.
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Kenny_ms
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Jesus might to a little of this though:
Mat 21:12-13
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mat 21:12-13
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Malachi
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Absolutely not. He would also make a whip and "drive out" all those who made merchandise of the Gospel.
YosefHayim
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The Prosperity Gospel would think so.
Be that as it may, Avanzini preaches a Jesus that looks more like himself than the Jesus of the Bible. Avanzini comes up with many proof texts to try to assert that Christians should be rich because Jesus was rich. For instance, based on John 19:23, Avanzini says:
John 19 tells us that Jesus wore designer clothes. Well, what else you gonna call it? Designer clothes - that's blasphemy. No, that's what we call them today. I mean, you didn't get the stuff He wore off the rack. It wasn't a one-size-fits-all deal. No, this was custom stuff. It was the kind of garment that kings and rich merchants wore. Kings and rich merchants wore that garment.
The_Epsicle
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Sell it? No(1 Timothy 6:5), but He would have every right to be reimbursed for it(1 Corinthians 9:11).
th1b.taylor
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No and neither do His called. Our services are video recorded and loaded to Vimeo where I download them from and make iso images and burn them to DVD that we give away. We don't require a tithe and we don't sell salvation. And while the average Church in the US Baptizes about 3 a year we have weeks where more than that make Professions of faith a week. It is very routine for the Baptismal to be filled and used on nearly every Sunday. It is a great thing not to sell what god has given away.
Malachi
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The Bible does address this also, and the labourer is worthy of his hire. But there is a big difference between making merchandise of the Gospel and being compensated fairly for work done. And there is an even bigger difference between that an exploiting and extorting from Christians for personal gain. There are many warning against this also.
antipasta
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It all comes down to how you define it. The extremes on both ends are pretty obvious, but the trick is knowing what is exploitation and what is fair compensation for creative work, say for example Billy Graham writing a book about the Gospel and charging for it.
In any event, the Apostle Paul certainly had no qualms about badgering churches for money. Of course, he was not looking to get rich, rather he was using the money for good works and to spread the Gospel, and I think that is the heart of the matter, what our intentions are.
In any event, the Apostle Paul certainly had no qualms about badgering churches for money. Of course, he was not looking to get rich, rather he was using the money for good works and to spread the Gospel, and I think that is the heart of the matter, what our intentions are.
th1b.taylor
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Oh, ye of little faith. Did God not feed Elijah?
th1b.taylor
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No, brother, it all comes down to what the word of God says about it.
antipasta
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Ehh, cliché.
Everyone agrees that the Word of God is infallible and primary, but not everyone agrees on what every paragraph means.
The_Epsicle
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True, but which gives more glory to God: that his ministers are fed by the gifts of the Church, or that God sends ravens with food? Neither in my opinion, the fact that he can turn the hearts of men from greed to generosity and that ravens obey his voice is of equal glory to Him.
And this is what scripture says:
"This is my defense to those who would examine me. Do we not have the right to eat and drink? Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working for a living? Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard without eating any of its fruit? Or who tends a flock without getting some of the milk? Do I say these things on human authority? Does not the Law say the same? For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not certainly speak for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel." - 1 Corinthians 9:3-14 ESV
It says the same in other places as well.(Luke 10:7 ESV, Deuteronomy 25:4 ESV, Acts 4:32-35 ESV, 2 Corinthians 11:7-9 ESV, Romans 4:4 ESV)
It's not a sin to receive your living from preaching the Gospel, it is a sin to capitalize on the Gospel and become rich through doing so. (Malachi 3:11 ESV, 1 Timothy 3:3 ESV, Hebrews 13:5 ESV, 1 Timothy 6:5 ESV, 1 Timothy 6:10 ESV)
When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt. Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. Luke 9:1-3 NIV
When the 12 were sent, they were provided for. They did not have to take along money to buy food and shelter. Nor were they permitted to charge people for healing or preaching. God provides for His true servants. In this case, by telling one of His other servants in the town to shelter and feed them while they were there.
When the 12 were sent, they were provided for. They did not have to take along money to buy food and shelter. Nor were they permitted to charge people for healing or preaching. God provides for His true servants. In this case, by telling one of His other servants in the town to shelter and feed them while they were there.
then he can get a real job