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Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

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The judgement in Mattew 25 is to living flesh and blood people not to the resurrected dead.

The verses is about an earthly kingdom not heaven.


3 The Judgments
Rightly Dividing the Word, by Clarence Larkin, 1920

Chapter 13: The Judgments
See Chart The Judgments.

The common opinion that the Millennium is to be ushered in by the preaching of the Gospel, and that after the Millennium there is to be a "General Resurrection" followed by a "General judgment," and then the earth is to be destroyed by fire, is not scriptural.

There can be no "General" Judgment because the Scriptures speak of one judgment as being in the "Air" (1Th 4:16-17; 2Co 5:6-10); another on the "Earth" (Mt 25:31-46); and a third in "Heaven," the earth and its atmosphere having fled away. Re 20:11-15. And to make sure that these three separate judgments should not be combined in one General judgment scene, three different Thrones are mentioned.

1. The "Judgment Seat of Christ" 2Co 5:10. "In the Air." For "Believers" only.

2. The "Throne of Glory." Mt 25:31-32. "On the Earth." For "The Nations."

3. The "Great White Throne." Re 20:11-12. "In Heaven." For the "Wicked Dead."

The Scriptures speak of Five Separate Judgments. They differ in five general aspects. As to "Subjects," "Time," "Place," "Basis of Judgment" and "Result."

JUDGMENT NO. 1
See Chart The Two Judgments of the Believer, Believers for Sin.

1. Subjects-- Believers as to "SIN."

2. Time-- A. D. 30.

3. Place-- Calvary.

4. Basis of Judgment-- Christ's "FINISHED WORK."

5. Result-- (1.) Death as to Christ. (2.) Justification as to the Believer.

This judgment is PAST. The Bible proofs of the results of this judgment are:

"For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that Believeth." Ro 10:4.

"There is therefore NOW no condemnation, (Judgment) to them which are in CHRIST JESUS, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the Law of the `SPIRIT OF LIFE' in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE From the Law of `Sin and Death.'" Ro 8:1-2.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE and shall not come into condemnation (Judgment) but IS PASSED From Death Unto Life." Joh 5:24.

The "Believer's" Judgment for Sin then is PAST, and was settled at the Cross. But we must not forget that the judgment of the Believer is threefold.

1. As a "Sinner."

2. As a "Son."

3. As a "Servant."

As we have already seen his judgment as a "Sinner" is Past. Let us look at his judgment

2. As a "Son."

As soon as the sinner accepts Christ as his personal Saviour that settles the "Sin" question for him. For if our iniquities are laid on Him (Jesus), then they are not on Us. Isa 53:5-6. But the "Sin" question, and the "Sins" question are two different things. Christ died on the Cross to atone for "sin," to pay the penalty of Adam's disobedience in the Garden of Eden. "Sin" is that tendency in mankind to do wrong which we call "Natural Depravity." We do not get rid of this "tendency" by the "New Birth," but we get a "counteracting force" called the "New Nature." We become a "dual personality," composed of the "Old" and "New Natures," and which shall predominate depends on which we feed and which we starve. This explains the "warfare" that Paul describes as his experience, after his conversion, in Ro 7:1-25. This warfare will continue until the "Old" nature is eradicated at death. "Sins" are the outward acts of wrongdoing that we commit as the result of our tendency to sin. These sins must be put away daily by "confession."

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an `Advocate' with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." 1Jo 2:1.

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1Jo 1:9.

Our judgment as "Sons" is for "unconfessed sins." The punishment is chastisement. This explains much of the chastisement of Christians, and should show them that they are "Sons" and not "Bastards." Heb 12:5-11. Paul says--

"If we would `judge ourselves' we should not be judged. But when we are judged we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned (Judged) with the world." 1Co 11:31-32.

Our duty then as "Sons" is to "self-judge" ourselves daily, "confess our sins," and so avert the chastisement of our Heavenly Father.

3. As a Servant. This leads us to--
 
JUDGMENT NO. 2
See Chart The Two Judgments of the Believer, Believers for Works.

1. Subjects-- Believers as to "WORKS."

2. Time-- After The Church is caught out.

3. Place-- "Judgment Seat of Christ" (in the Air).

4. Basis of Judgment-- Their "WORKS."

5. Result-- Reward or Loss.

This judgment is FUTURE.

"We must all appear before the `Judgment Seat of Christ,' that every one may receive the things `done in the body' according to that he hath done, whether it be `good' or `bad' (worthless)." 2Co 5:10.

The pronoun "We" occurs 26 times in the chapter, and in every instance it means the Believer, and the Epistle is addressed to the "Church" and "Saints" at Corinth, so the Judgment here spoken of is for Believers "only." The "Time" of the Judgment is when the Lord comes (1Co 4:5), and the "Place" is "in the air" (1Th 4:17) and before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

It will not be a judgment in the sense of a "trial" to see whether the judged are innocent (saved) or guilty (lost), for it is a judgment of the "saved only." It will be like the judges' stand at a Fair, or Race Track, where rewards are distributed to the successful contestants. Paul describes such a scene in 1Co 9:24-27.

It is not a judgment for sin, but for "works." This judgment is described in 1Co 3:11-15.

"Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones (valuable building stones, as marble, etc.), wood, hay, stubble; every man's `Work' shall be made manifest; for the `Day' (Judgment Day) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by `fire,' and the fire shall try every man's `work' of what sort it is. If any man's work `abide' which he hath built there upon he shall receive a `reward.' If any man's work shall be `burned' he shall suffer `loss;' but `he himself shall be saved;' yet so as by fire."

The result of this judgment is "reward" or "loss." All our "bad" and "dead works," represented by the wood, hay and stubble, will be consumed, and only our "good works" shall remain. There is much which passes for Christian service which is merely human and secular, and does not count in our eternal reward. For those who deserve a "reward" it will be The Crowning Day.

After the Grecian games were all over the runners, wrestlers, and successful contestants assembled before the "Bema," or judges' stand, which was an elevated seat on which the Umpire sat, and the winners received a "corruptible crown" of "laurel leaves." Some had no reward, they had lost the "Victor's Crown." But while there was no reward there was no punishment, they were not cast out.

The New Testament speaks of Five Crowns. See Chart The Judgment of Reward.

1. The Crown of "LIFE."

This is the "Martyr's" crown, and is mentioned twice.

"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation (testing), for when he is `tried' (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), he shall receive the `Crown of Life' which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him." Jas 1:12.

"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer; behold, the Devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried (tested) and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful `unto death,' and I will give thee a `Crown of Life.'" Re 2:10.

Notice it does not say "until" death, but "unto" death. They were not to recant but to remain faithful unto a martyr's death. To recant was to lose the crown. This refers to the martyrs of the Tribulation Period.

2. The Crown of "GLORY."

This is the "Elder's" or "Pastor's" crown, given by the Chief Shepherd when He shall appear. But it is not for those who serve for "filthy lucre" or "lord it over God's heritage." 1Pe 5:2-4.

3. The Crown of "REJOICING."

This is the "Soul Winner's" crown. Those brought to Jesus by us will be our "crown of rejoicing" at His Coming. 1Th 2:19-20; Php 4:1.

4. The Crown of "RIGHTEOUSNESS."

This is the crown of those who "love His appearing" and will be given in "that day"-- the Day of His Appearing. 2Ti 4:8.

5. The Crown "INCORRUPTIBLE."

This is the "Victor's" crown, and is for those who "keep under their body" (1Co 9:25-27); who do not yield to their fleshly lusts; who do not permit themselves to be diverted from the Master's work by worldly amusements and pleasure, nor saturate their body with drugs.

If we do not want to be "ashamed at His Coming," (1Jo 2:28), let us see to it that we keep our body "under" and so live that we shall secure a crown.
 
JUDGMENT NO. 3
1. Subjects-- The JEWS.

2. Time-- "The Great Tribulation."

3. Place-- Jerusalem and Vicinity.

4. Basis of Judgment-- Rejection of the Godhead.

5. Result-- Their Conversion and Reception of Christ as Their Messiah.

This judgment is FUTURE.

While the Church is being judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ in the air, the Jews will be judged under Antichrist on the earth. The Jews are an "earthly" people; and as all the promises to them are "earthly," it follows that their judgment must be of an "earthly" character. The basis of their judgment is their "rejection of the Godhead." In the days of Samuel they rejected God the Father. 1Sa 8:7. In the days of Christ they rejected God the Son. Lu 23:18. In the days of Stephen they rejected God the Holy Spirit. Ac 7:51,54-60. For their sin they have been scattered among the nations until the "Times of the Gentiles" are fulfilled. When the "Times of the Gentiles" are about to end the Jews will be gathered back to the Holy Land "unconverted," and caused to "pass under the rod." Eze 20:34-38. They will be cast into God's "Melting Pot" (Eze 22:19-22), and pass through an experience spoken of by Jeremiah and Daniel as the "TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE." Jer 30:4-7; Da 12:1. Christ calls it "The Great Tribulation," and He and Zechariah the Prophet associate it with the "Return of the Lord." Mt 24:21-31; Zec 14:1-11. The human agent the Lord will use will be Antichrist, the awfulness of whose rule will be supplemented by the pouring out of the "Vials of God's wrath" upon the earth. Re 15:1,5-8; 16:1-21.

The result of these terrible judgments will be that the Jews will call in their misery upon the Lord. Zec 12:10. Then Christ will come back to the Mt. of Olives (Zec 14:4) and the Jews will look upon Him whom they "pierced" (Zec 12:10), and a nation, the Jewish Nation, shall be "born (converted) in a day." Isa 66:8. This will complete the judgment of the Jews.
 
JUDGMENT NO. 4
1. Subjects-- The NATIONS (Gentiles).

2. Time-- The "Revelation of Christ."

3. Place-- The "Throne of His Glory." On the Earth-- "Valley of Jehoshaphat."

4. Basis of judgment-- Their Treatment of Christ's Brethren-- The Jews.

5. Result-- Some Nations "SAVED," Others "DESTROYED."

This judgment is FUTURE.

The account of this judgment is given in Mt 25:31-46. The description of this judgment, and of the one given in Re 20:11-15 are combined by many, and taken to teach the doctrine of a general judgment. But when we compare them they differ so widely that it is evident that they do not describe the same event. What God has put asunder let no man join together. The following comparison will show the difference in the two accounts

Matthew 25:31-46
1. No Resurection.

2. Living Nations Judged.

3. On the Earth. Joe 3:2.

4. No Books Mentioned.

5. Three Classes Named. "Sheep," "Goats," "Brethren."

6. Time-- Before the Millennium.

Revelation 20:11-15
1. A Resurrection.

2. Dead judged.

3. Heaven and Earth Gone.

4. Books Opened.

5. One Class Named. "The Dead."

6. Time-- After the Millennium.

This comparison reveals the fact that one of these judgments is "on the earth," the other in the "heavens," and that they are separated by 1000 years.

The Greek word "ethnos" here translated "Nations" occurs 158 times in the New Testament. It is translated "Gentiles" 92 times, "Nation" or "Nations" 61 times, and "The Heathen" 5 times, but it is never in any instance (unless it be this) applied either to the "dead" or the "resurrected."

As this is a judgment of nations only, the Jews cannot be in it, for they are not reckoned among the nations. Nu 23:9. And as the Church will be associated with Christ in this judgment, for the "Saints" (the Church) shall judge the "World" (the Nations) (1Co 6:2), the Church cannot be in this judgment either. As we have seen the Church and the Jews have been already judged, so the "Judgment of the Nations" cannot be a general judgment. Who then, is asked, are meant by the Sheep? Do they not represent the Righteous, and all the Righteous from the beginning of the world to the end of Time? And do not the Goats in like manner represent all the Wicked?

If the Sheep are the Righteous, and the Goats the Wicked, then who are the Brethren? If they are the "followers of Christ," as some claim, they should be classed with the Sheep. The Scriptures teach that the Righteous are saved by "faith," and the Wicked are lost because they "reject Christ," but in this judgment scene the Sheep inherit a "Kingdom" and the Goats are commanded to "depart," because of their treatment of the Brethren.

All the confusion is caused by trying to make a judgment of "nations" mean a judgment of "individuals." The Sheep represent one class of Nations, and the Goats another class, while the Brethren represent the Jews (Christ's brethren). We must bear in mind the time and place of this judgment. The time is at the "Revelation of Christ" when He comes to set up His "Millennial Kingdom" on the earth. The place is the "Valley of Jehoshaphat" in the vicinity of Jerusalem.

"For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather ALL NATIONS, and will bring them down into the `Valley of Jehoshaphat,' and will plead with them there for MY PEOPLE and for my heritage ISRAEL, whom they have scattered among the Nations, and parted my land." Joe 3:1-2.

This prophecy clearly states that there is to be a "Judgment of Nations" on the earth in the "Valley of Jehoshaphat" at the time of the restoration of the Jews to their own land, and that the basis of judgment is the treatment by the nations of Christ's brethren-- The Jews.

During the "Tribulation Period" the Nations that treat the Jewish People kindly, feeding and clothing them, and visiting them in prison, will be the "Sheep Nations," while those who neglect to do so will be the "Goat Nations." At the "Judgment of Nations" the King (Christ) will say to the "Sheep Nations," inasmuch as ye have been kind to My brethren (the Jews), "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." This Kingdom is the "Millennial Kingdom" that the "Sheep Nations" as Nations will "inherit" and possess during the Millennium. And as they are to be among the "saved nations" of the New Earth (Re 21:24) it can be said of them that they, or at least the righteous individuals of them, shall enter into life eternal. Mt 25:46. Christ's sentence upon the "Goat Nations" will be-- "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels," and "these shall go away into everlasting punishment." The "Goat Nations" will at once be destroyed as Nations, not one of them shall get into the Millennium, and the wicked individuals that compose them will perish and be eternally lost.
 
JUDGMENT NO. 5
1. Subjects-- The WICKED DEAD.

2. Tune-- During the Renovation of the Earth by Fire.

3. Place-- Before "The Great White Throne."

4. Basis of Judgment-- Their "Works."

5. Result-- Cast Into the "Lake of Fire."

This judgment is FUTURE.

The account of it is given in Re 20:11-15. It will take place at the close of the Millennium a 1000 years after the judgment of the Nations, and before the "Great White Throne." The "Great White Throne" will not be on the earth, for the "Great White Throne Judgment" will take place during the renovation of the earth by fire, for the "renovation" of this Earth is reserved or kept until the time of that judgment, which Peter calls "The Day of Judgment and Perdition of Ungodly Men" (2Pe 3:7), because the judgment of the "Great White Throne" is the judgment of the wicked dead.

All the Righteous dead will arise at the First Resurrection. If any Righteous die between the First Resurrection and the Resurrection of the "wicked" or Second Resurrection, they will rise with the wicked dead at that Resurrection. The words-- "Whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life" (vs. 15), imply that there will be "some," probably very few, Righteous at the Second Resurrection.

At the close of the Millennium and just before the renovation of the earth by fire, the living Righteous will probably be translated, and the living Wicked or Ungodly will be destroyed in the flames that will consume the earth's atmosphere and exterior surface.

The Wicked or Ungodly will not be judged to see whether they are entitled to Eternal Life, but to ascertain the "degree" of their punishment. The sad feature of this judgment will be that there will be many kind and lovable people there who were not saved, and who will be classed among the "ungodly" because they rejected Christ as a Saviour. The "Books" will be opened in which the "Recording Angel" has kept a record of every person's life, and they will be judged every man according to his "works." Some will be sentenced to a more severe punishment than others, but none will escape. The worst of all is, that those who were not so bad must spend eternity with the ungodly, and that in the "Lake of Fire." Their punishment includes the second death, which means that they shall lose their resurrection bodies, in which they were judged, and become "disembodied spirits" again, and so exist in the "Lake of Fire" FOREVER.

The "Fallen Angels" (not the Devil's angels), who are "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness," will be judged at this time, which Jude calls the judgment of the "Great Day." Jude 1:6.
 
There will be no unconverted Hindus in heaven.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
bibleberean, if you have to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, then aborted foetus are all in hell. :evil:

There are two possibilities-

(a) They deserve to be in hell.
(b) They go to hell for all eternity, but they didn't actually deserve it.

Which is it?
 
There are more than two possibilities....

I know one thing for sure God knows. He is perfectly just and perfectly good.

Here is an answer which may or may not be completely true.

By R. Albert Mohler, Jr. and Daniel L. Akin

The Covenant News ~ January 17, 2005

http://www.covenantnews.com/mohler050117.htm

"....We believe that Scripture does indeed teach that all persons who die in infancy are among the elect. This must not be based only in our hope that it is true, but in a careful reading of the Bible. We start with the biblical affirmations we have noted already. First, the Bible reveals that we are "brought forth in iniquity,"(1) and thus bear the stain of original sin from the moment of our conception. Thus, we face squarely the sin problem. Second, we acknowledge that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation. We do not deserve salvation, and can do nothing to earn our salvation, and thus it is all of grace. Further we understand that our salvation is established by God’s election of sinners to salvation through Christ. Third, we affirm that Scripture teaches that Jesus Christ is the sole and sufficient Savior, and that salvation comes only on the basis of His blood atonement. Fourth, we affirm that the Bible teaches a dual eternal destiny – the redeemed to Heaven, the unredeemed to Hell.

What, then is our basis for claiming that all those who die in infancy are among the elect? First, the Bible teaches that we are to be judged on the basis of our deeds committed "in the body."(2) That is, we will face the judgment seat of Christ and be judged, not on the basis of original sin, but for our sins committed during our own lifetimes. Each will answer "according to what he has done,"(3) and not for the sin of Adam. The imputation of Adam’s sin and guilt explains our inability to respond to God without regeneration, but the Bible does not teach that we will answer for Adam’s sin. We will answer for our own. But what about infants? Have those who die in infancy committed such sins in the body? We believe not.

One biblical text is particularly helpful at this point. After the children of Israel rebelled against God in the wilderness, God sentenced that generation to die in the wilderness after forty years of wandering. "Not one of these men, this evil generation, shall see the good land which I swore to give your fathers."(4) But this was not all. God specifically exempted young children and infants from this sentence, and even explained why He did so: "Moreover, your little ones who you said would become prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good and evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it."(5) The key issue here is that God specifically exempted from the judgment those who "have no knowledge of good or evil" because of their age. These "little ones" would inherit the Promised Land, and would not be judged on the basis of their fathers’ sins...
We believe that this passage bears directly on the issue of infant salvation, and that the accomplished work of Christ has removed the stain of original sin from those who die in infancy. Knowing neither good nor evil, these young children are incapable of committing sins in the body – are not yet moral agents – and die secure in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ."
 
What is the eternal destiny of an infant who dies?

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f006.html

...Conclusion

Through the ages, this question of infant salvation has been emotionally debated. The persistence of this debate has been aided by the fact that the writers of Scripture did not explicitly comment on this subject. Having reviewed many pertinent avenues of reason, we can safely say that the salvation of infants can be regarded as at least an uncontradicted hope. It is my conviction, however, that although infant salvation is not taught explicitly, based upon the justice and character of God, infant salvation is an implicit certainty. In humility we worship a righteous God who will certainly do right!"
 
bibleberean said:
There are more than two possibilities....


I don't think so. If they go to hell, they either deserve it or they don't.
 
bibleberean said:
What is the eternal destiny of an infant who dies?

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f006.html

...Conclusion

Through the ages, this question of infant salvation has been emotionally debated. The persistence of this debate has been aided by the fact that the writers of Scripture did not explicitly comment on this subject. Having reviewed many pertinent avenues of reason, we can safely say that the salvation of infants can be regarded as at least an uncontradicted hope. It is my conviction, however, that although infant salvation is not taught explicitly, based upon the justice and character of God, infant salvation is an implicit certainty. In humility we worship a righteous God who will certainly do right!"



Well this is great. You don't have to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, exceptions may well be made because (and I quote) "we worship a righteous God who will certainly do right!"

A God that "will certainly do right" will likely let Hindu's into heaven.
 
You and the rest of us adults know right from wrong we will be judged based on our works and by faith in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God will do right and their will be know idolaters in heaven.

You have admitted that you don't believe that either the Old Testament nor the New Testament are true.

You reject Christ as Lord and Saviour.

A word from Christ...

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
bibleberean said:
You and the rest of us adults know right from wrong we will be judged based on our works and by faith in Jesus Christ.


For a start, it wouldn't be fair to judge someone on "faith in Christ" if they have never heard of him.

Would a good God really do that? If he can do that, I am sure that he can burn unborn children in hell.
 
DivineNames said:
bibleberean said:
You and the rest of us adults know right from wrong we will be judged based on our works and by faith in Jesus Christ.


For a start, it wouldn't be fair to judge someone on "faith in Christ" if they have never heard of him.

Would a good God really do that? If he can do that, I am sure that he can burn unborn children in hell.

Look at you.

You have heard and have rejected Christ.

If I were you I would be concerned for your own soul.

What makes you think that if these people heard they would believe?

They will be judged for their sins.

I believe if a person is truly seeking Christ He or she will find Him.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Romans 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

Romans 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:

Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 
bibleberean said:
What makes you think that if these people heard they would believe?


What makes you think all of them wouldn't?
 
bibleberean said:
I believe if a person is truly seeking Christ He or she will find Him.


If they have never heard of Christ, they aren't going to be seeking him are they?

Lets say they were seeking Christ, even without having heard of him. At times in the past, some people would have had to swim across an ocean to be in a position to hear the Bible message and learn about their saviour!

Do you expect them to do that? Or they go to hell?
 
DivineNames said:
bibleberean said:
I believe if a person is truly seeking Christ He or she will find Him.


If they have never heard of Christ, they aren't going to be seeking him are they?

Lets say they were seeking Christ, even without having heard of him. At times in the past, some people would have had to swim across an ocean to be in a position to hear the Bible message and learn about their saviour!

Do you expect them to do that? Or they go to hell?

Those who have not heard of Jesus and fail to perfectly keep their own laws of conscience let alone God's standards is not your problem. How God deals with their moral failure is God's concern, not yours. Your probelm is that you have heard and have rejected God.

You spend much of your wasted life in a Christian forum rejecting the scriptures and God.

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when standing before a righteous God.

I wouldn't want your present life either. Neither appear too appealing.

Again the assumption that there are those who are truly seeking God and still won't find Him.

God will be the judge.

Gandhi heard the gospel and as far as we know he rejected it.

He is considered by many to be one of the most moral Hindu teachers that ever lived and yet he heard the truth and rejected it.

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
Those who have not heard of Jesus and fail to perfectly keep their own laws of conscience let alone God's standards is not your problem. How God deals with their moral failure is God's concern, not yours. Your probelm is that you have heard and have rejected God.

You spend much of your wasted life in a Christian forum rejecting the scriptures and God.

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when standing before a righteous God.

I wouldn't want your present life either. Neither appear too appealing.

Again the assumption that there are those who are truly seeking God and still won't find Him.

God will be the judge.

Gandhi heard the gospel and as far as we know he rejected it.

He is considered by many to be one of the most moral Hindu teachers that ever lived and yet he heard the truth and rejected it.

Let me just say BB,

That you would be good at scaring kids at a campfire site with the way you are able to portray fear and terror through your posts.....

You are a Baptist for sure!!!!!!!

Now if only you were a Seventh Day Baptist you would be on the escolator to Heaven....

http://www.seventhdaybaptist.org/7db/Default_EN.asp

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bibleberean said:
Again the assumption that there are those who are truly seeking God and still won't find Him.

Well if it is always possible for someone truly seeking God, to find God, then you must be able to find God outside of Christ. (because many people have lived with no opportunity to learn about him.)

Unless you want to use the (twisted) argument that where people were born outside of that opportunity, God had advance knowledge that they would reject Christ. (which could apply equally to aborted babies!)
 
If a Hindu is in heaven he or she will be there because they rejected their false gods and believed the gospel...

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
 
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