Would you join a church that

[Servant_2000]

you can't seee it..because of your BLINDNESS...and your opinion...your quote out of context..

Worshipping One, loving many.

Servant

 

[Lyric's Dad]

you can't seee it..because of your BLINDNESS...and your opinion...your quote out of context..

Worshipping One, loving many.

Servant

:smt044

 

[Servant_2000]

Start counting the abortions performed in SDA hospitals

Matthew 7:14-17


16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

That would be a good place to start looking at the fruit of SDAism. A church with such an emphasis on keeping the law of God doesn't consider protecting unborn babies a weightier matter of the Law.

 

[Servant_2000]

The SDA church prints, advertizes, distributes, and sells a Bible that has been substantially modified in order to incorporate the unique beliefs of the SDA church into the Bible. This involves wholesale changes to the text based on nothing other than SDA doctrine and the SDA prophet. While some in the SDA church denounce The Clear Word bible, and no SDA here will admit to even seeing one in use at their church, is exists as a testimony to the lengths that SDAism will go to promote their beliefs. Wholesale changes to the Word of God is a fruit of SDAism.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

The SDA church prints, advertizes, distributes, and sells a Bible that has been substantially modified in order to incorporate the unique beliefs of the SDA church into the Bible. This involves wholesale changes to the text based on nothing other than SDA doctrine and the SDA prophet. While some in the SDA church denounce The Clear Word bible, and no SDA here will admit to even seeing one in use at their church, is exists as a testimony to the lengths that SDAism will go to promote their beliefs. Wholesale changes to the Word of God is a fruit of SDAism.

*sound of axe grinding in the background*




Sometimes those beams really blur the vision when trying to extract a mote, eh?

 

[Servant_2000]

[quote="Servant_2000":343cd]The SDA church prints, advertizes, distributes, and sells a Bible that has been substantially modified in order to incorporate the unique beliefs of the SDA church into the Bible. This involves wholesale changes to the text based on nothing other than SDA doctrine and the SDA prophet. While some in the SDA church denounce The Clear Word bible, and no SDA here will admit to even seeing one in use at their church, is exists as a testimony to the lengths that SDAism will go to promote their beliefs. Wholesale changes to the Word of God is a fruit of SDAism.

*sound of axe grinding in the background*




Sometimes those beams really blur the vision when trying to extract a mote, eh?[/quote:343cd]

Who's beams..yours? Let's quit the AD HOM tactic..and get back to the subject at hand..otherwise..put a cap in it.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

[quote="Lyric's Dad":1ada3][quote="Servant_2000":1ada3]The SDA church prints, advertizes, distributes, and sells a Bible that has been substantially modified in order to incorporate the unique beliefs of the SDA church into the Bible. This involves wholesale changes to the text based on nothing other than SDA doctrine and the SDA prophet. While some in the SDA church denounce The Clear Word bible, and no SDA here will admit to even seeing one in use at their church, is exists as a testimony to the lengths that SDAism will go to promote their beliefs. Wholesale changes to the Word of God is a fruit of SDAism.

*sound of axe grinding in the background*




Sometimes those beams really blur the vision when trying to extract a mote, eh?[/quote:1ada3]

Who's beams..yours? Let's quit the AD HOM tactic..and get back to the subject at hand..otherwise..put a cap in it.[/quote:1ada3]Oh, I am completely on the subject here. You did not open this as anything more then a way to attack the SDA church. This was not about discussion but about exposing what you think is evil. So, I would say that in fact this entire thread is nothing more then an ad hom attack on the SDA group and then to throw in the condescending attitude toward it's members.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

[quote="Lyric's Dad":1ada3][quote="Servant_2000":1ada3]The SDA church prints, advertizes, distributes, and sells a Bible that has been substantially modified in order to incorporate the unique beliefs of the SDA church into the Bible. This involves wholesale changes to the text based on nothing other than SDA doctrine and the SDA prophet. While some in the SDA church denounce The Clear Word bible, and no SDA here will admit to even seeing one in use at their church, is exists as a testimony to the lengths that SDAism will go to promote their beliefs. Wholesale changes to the Word of God is a fruit of SDAism.

*sound of axe grinding in the background*




Sometimes those beams really blur the vision when trying to extract a mote, eh?[/quote:1ada3]

Who's beams..yours? Let's quit the AD HOM tactic..and get back to the subject at hand..otherwise..put a cap in it.[/quote:1ada3]Oh, I am completely on the subject here. You did not open this as anything more then a way to attack the SDA church. This was not about discussion but about exposing what you think is evil. So, I would say that in fact this entire thread is nothing more then an ad hom attack on the SDA group and then to throw in the condescending attitude toward it's members.

 

[New_Wineskin]

didn't believe Jesus was eternally God?
believed that Scripture had errors?
developed doctrines based on prophetic visions?
believed that God deliberately deceives His followers?

Welcome to the early SDA church, the self-proclaimed remnant church of Bible prophecy.

Have you ever asked yourself how a church with founders and leaders that did not believe in the full Divinity of Jesus even claim to be preaching the everlasting Gospel?

I wouldn't join any group calling itself a "church" . Joining a small part of the Church is seperating one's self from the rest .

Anyway , the Gospel does not include Jesus' divinity . Jesus was not interested in Himself but His Father . Once a relationship is established , the Spirit will correctly point to Jesus . However , and again , Jesus was not interested in Himself being worshipped or considered to be God . He was interested in bringing people to His Father . That was/is His goal .

 

[Solo]

[quote="Servant_2000":9b59b]didn't believe Jesus was eternally God?
believed that Scripture had errors?
developed doctrines based on prophetic visions?
believed that God deliberately deceives His followers?

Welcome to the early SDA church, the self-proclaimed remnant church of Bible prophecy.

Have you ever asked yourself how a church with founders and leaders that did not believe in the full Divinity of Jesus even claim to be preaching the everlasting Gospel?

I wouldn't join any group calling itself a "church" . Joining a small part of the Church is seperating one's self from the rest .

Anyway , the Gospel does not include Jesus' divinity . Jesus was not interested in Himself but His Father . Once a relationship is established , the Spirit will correctly point to Jesus . However , and again , Jesus was not interested in Himself being worshipped or considered to be God . He was interested in bringing people to His Father . That was/is His goal .[/quote:9b59b]
Once you are born of God you will know Jesus and understand his divinity. Until then you are just grasping at straws and propagating your opinion.

 

[New_Wineskin]

Once you are born of God you will know Jesus and understand his divinity. Until then you are just grasping at straws and propagating your opinion.

Exactly !! That was what I was saying . Until the Lord reveals Himself to someone , it is all theory . In fact , all theology goes down the tubes when one is reborn since it doesn't really matter after that . Theology is just a game that people play .

 

[Solo]

Once you are born of God you will know Jesus and understand his divinity. Until then you are just grasping at straws and propagating your opinion.

Exactly !! That was what I was saying . Until the Lord reveals Himself to someone , it is all theory . In fact , all theology goes down the tubes when one is reborn since it doesn't really matter after that . Theology is just a game that people play .

Now that you agree with that, do you know that Jesus is God?

 

[New_Wineskin]

Once you are born of God you will know Jesus and understand his divinity. Until then you are just grasping at straws and propagating your opinion.

Exactly !! That was what I was saying . Until the Lord reveals Himself to someone , it is all theory . In fact , all theology goes down the tubes when one is reborn since it doesn't really matter after that . Theology is just a game that people play .

Now that you agree with that, do you know that Jesus is God?

I consider that personal question would take me too far away from the topic . Did Abraham know that Jesus ( specifically ) was a part of the Godhead ? He knew that the Lord would provide but not the specifics . My knowing that Jesus is a part of the Godhead doesn't make it important for all to know that He is .

I would also like to say that I was not agreeing with that - you were agreeing with that since I wrote it first .

 

[Solo]

[quote="New_Wineskin":7bc6b]

Once you are born of God you will know Jesus and understand his divinity. Until then you are just grasping at straws and propagating your opinion.

Exactly !! That was what I was saying . Until the Lord reveals Himself to someone , it is all theory . In fact , all theology goes down the tubes when one is reborn since it doesn't really matter after that . Theology is just a game that people play .

Now that you agree with that, do you know that Jesus is God?

I consider that personal question would take me too far away from the topic . Did Abraham know that Jesus ( specifically ) was a part of the Godhead ? He knew that the Lord would provide but not the specifics . My knowing that Jesus is a part of the Godhead doesn't make it important for all to know that He is .

I would also like to say that I was not agreeing with that - you were agreeing with that since I wrote it first . [/quote:7bc6b]
From that answer, all of your posts are suspect, and more than likely false doctrine. If your position is that Jesus is not God, then you have fallen for the deception of the enemy. I also suspect that you find much of the doctrines of the body of Christ in error. Your position is not new, but it is false. When you become born of God, you will be able to state that Jesus is God. Until that time you are propagating self-edifying opinions.
And I was not in agreement with you as I found your antiChristian stance against Jesus as faulty. Jesus is God and it is plainly shown in the Word of God.
Good night.

 

[mutzrein]

When you become born of God, you will be able to state that Jesus is God. Until that time you are propagating self-edifying opinions.

So, now you are saying that anyone who is born again has to say that Jesus is God?

And if they don't, are you saying they are not born again?

 

[Solo]

When you become born of God, you will be able to state that Jesus is God. Until that time you are propagating self-edifying opinions.

So, now you are saying that anyone who is born again has to say that Jesus is God?

And if they don't, are you saying they are not born again?

If a person is born of God, they know God, and if they do not recognize Jesus as God, then they do not know God.

 

[mutzrein]

When you become born of God, you will be able to state that Jesus is God. Until that time you are propagating self-edifying opinions.

So, now you are saying that anyone who is born again has to say that Jesus is God?

And if they don't, are you saying they are not born again?

If a person is born of God, they know God, and if they do not recognize Jesus as God, then they do not know God.

I am born of God - and since I believe and proclaim that Jesus is the one and only true son of God, conceived of God's spirit, born of a virgin, inheriting the righteousness of God with all the attributes of perfection attributed to the Father, and without sin or blemish, I have no hesitation in saying He is my Lord & Saviour but he is not his own father.

As Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. The words I say to you are not just my own, rather it is the Father living in me who is doing His work."

But you know, whether or not you believe one such as I does not know God matters not to me.
What matters is, I know my redeemer and he knows me.
And I have a wonderful freedom to proclaim the grace of God which has made it possible for one such as I to walk and live by faith in the power of His Holy Spirit.

I would however suggest to you that before you proclaim to any other person that they cannot have this relation with God without believing as you, you reflect on God's knowledge & power and ask yourself, how much do I really understand?

 

[SputnikBoy]

The SDA church prints, advertizes, distributes, and sells a Bible that has been substantially modified in order to incorporate the unique beliefs of the SDA church into the Bible. This involves wholesale changes to the text based on nothing other than SDA doctrine and the SDA prophet. While some in the SDA church denounce The Clear Word bible, and no SDA here will admit to even seeing one in use at their church, is exists as a testimony to the lengths that SDAism will go to promote their beliefs. Wholesale changes to the Word of God is a fruit of SDAism.

I recall some 10 years or so ago the then pastor of my (SDA) church standing behind the pulpit and denouncing the Clear Word Bible. Since that time I've heard nothing about it. If you, Servant, can present any actual facts pertaining to an official SDA link to the printing, advertizing, and distribution of this particular Bible I would appreciate it.

As for your rhetoric about no SDA claiming to even seeing one in use in their church or denouncing it if they do, I can assure you as God is my witness that I have NEVER come into contact with the Clear Word Bible. I use the expression 'as God is my witness' because of your silly implication that SDA's (apparently BY VIRTUE of being SDAs) tell lies. :roll:

Again, present the proof of your claims that the SDA Church has EVER sanctioned the use of this Bible or been in any way reponsible for the promotion and the distribution of this book. If you can do so then I'll certainly have something to say about it to my present pastor.

I more suspect, Servant, that you are using any means, be they fair or foul, to discredit the SDA Church. I believe that was your intent to begin with and you'll stop at nothing to keep up your attack like that of a rabid dog. Every item of 'SDA discredit' is a victory to you ...even if only in your own mind.

Evidently you, Servant, or someone you know, is a disgruntled SDA who perhaps had a disagreement with some specific person in the church. I've seen it happen over and over again over the years. If the SDA Church has strayed from biblical truths then, by all means, question it in light of this. But don't condemn the church because of some 'run-in' you or someone you know might have had with an individual or even several individuals of the SDA Church.

Meanwhile, to others, the Clear Word Bible was evidently a non-event that was printed up and published by some extremist group of 'whatevers' without any official approval of the SDA Church. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. No one I know - from the little that I heard about it - would even give it the time of day. As said ...it's a non-event and should be dismissed for the nonsense that it was/is. Or, am I perhaps lying out of blind loyalty to protect the denomination that has brainwashed me and continues to have such a tight hold on me? ;-)

 

[Radlad72]

Actually, the Clear Word, as it is now called, was written by a single man in the church but it has always been called a paraphrase (much like The Message and The Living Bible).
It has taken the place of actual translations but is used for those for easier reading (much like The Message and Living Bible paraphrases).

This is quite a strawman point you make here Servant and has little or nothing to do with the vituperation you are throwing at the Adventist church.

Also, the idea that the church is the remnant church is quite old and has been thrown out these days.

Jesus was fully God and fully man. He lost His omnipresence when He came to Earth, but He is still fully God.

I also agree that you are being elitist thinking that you are the only one who has a handle on the truth and it is your duty to point ou tall the deficiencies of everyone else on the forum. Logs and specks mate, logs and specks.

Rad.

 

[Radlad72]

To specify the remnant bit; SDA'a believe that they are part of the remnant, not the remnant itself.

Rad