Yeah, real science :the Experts don't know in other words

[TOG]

Better turn over or you'll burn in this sun TOB.

That's what his user name means - turn or burn.

The TOG​

 

[turnorburn]

Your right aqua..

Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

tob

*edit: you'll notice this only applies to those that won't repent

 

[Christ_empowered]

I just thought about it...if I worked in a nationalized health care program, I'd ban tanning beds, too. If its killing young people and also costing a lot in treatment, then it needs to go. Australia seems to invest a lot more in people that the US, so each person who dies the gov't loses an investment, especially if they die before they can contribute years of taxes to the coffers. Also, for those who survive, there's time off work and educational pursuits (drain on system), plus treatment costs.

Aren't there special tanning beds available that pump up D levels without killing people? I seem to recall reading on Mercola's website about such a thing.

 

[TOG]

People can get more vitamin D without tanning beds. They could, for example, take vitamin D supplements, eat and drink vitamin D enriched dairy products or other foods, eat more fish (especially fatty fish) or take cod liver oil. The best way, of course, is to get it from a balanced diet and a reasonable amount of sunshine. If those aren't working, for some reason, then try the supplements.

The TOG​

 

[Christ_empowered]

I take vitamin d, the otc stuff. 5,000 IU/day.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

also, modern day and ancient truth (rare) : (not just concerning "D", but all the healthy needs of our bodies, and natural recovery from current day modern deficiencies and toxicities, as provided in God's Grace in Yeshua.)

http://www.ksla.com/story/24878422/vegan-movement-hits-east-texas

and

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[jasonc]

also, modern day and ancient truth (rare) : (not just concerning "D", but all the healthy needs of our bodies, and natural recovery from current day modern deficiencies and toxicities, as provided in God's Grace in Yeshua.)

so how did men get leprosy then?in the levitical law theres no reasons for why men got it unless there was a judgement. do you know the easiest way to stop that? sewer grids, and bathing.

nevermind about 100 years ago when my grandparents were born they had siblings that died in utero. kosher jews having that problem?

 

[agua.]

That's what his user name means - turn or burn.

The TOG​

Better turn over or you'll glow in this sun TOG. :D

 

[jasonc]

Better turn over or you'll glow in this sun TOG. :D

what is the average temp of your country. im used to heat. bring it if you can hang. florida gets hot. we get days with 100% humidity and NO rain.

 

[TOG]

what is the average temp of your country. im used to heat. bring it if you can hang. florida gets hot. we get days with 100% humidity and NO rain.

I don't know about the overall average, but the average high in my city in July (the hottest month) is 13.3 C / 55.9 F and in the coldest month (January) the average high is 1.9 C / 35.4 F The average lows for those two months are 8.3 C / 46.9 F and -3.0 C / 26.6 F respectively. The hottest temperature ever recorded in my city was 26.2 °C / 79.2 °F on 30 July 2008 and the lowest was −24.5 °C / −12.1 °F on 21 January 1918. I have been outside the country though, and the hottest outside temperature I've experienced in person was 46.1 C / 115 F in Las Vegas, Nevada in the July 2006. That same day my thermometer registered 54 C / 129.2 F inside the car (the air conditioning didn't work).

The TOG​

 

[jasonc]

I don't know about the overall average, but the average high in my city in July (the hottest month) is 13.3 C / 55.9 F and in the coldest month (January) the average high is 1.9 C / 35.4 F The average lows for those two months are 8.3 C / 46.9 F and -3.0 C / 26.6 F respectively. The hottest temperature ever recorded in my city was 26.2 °C / 79.2 °F on 30 July 2008 and the lowest was −24.5 °C / −12.1 °F on 21 January 1918. I have been outside the country though, and the hottest outside temperature I've experienced in person was 46.1 C / 115 F in Las Vegas, Nevada in the July 2006. That same day my thermometer registered 54 C / 129.2 F inside the car (the air conditioning didn't work).

The TOG​

that the temp of 129 is usually winter inside my truck with the temp probe and the outside temp about 60.

 

[Claudya]

Did any of the articles (the link in the OP isn't working for me at the moment) account for the fact that people in western societies grow older with every generation and thus have an increased risk of getting any kind of cancer (since older people are at higher risk due to a longer lifetime of accumulated cell damage and reduced functionality of the immune/ repair system at older age) and thus skin cancer rates may rise because there's more older people in the population?
Are there statistics for the last decades looking only at younger people in their reproductive years, and only at people in one particular country?
From reading this thread I feel like we are dealing with a mess of statistics that aren't comparable or representative for the things they claim to represent.

Jason, heat is irrelevant in this case. UV radiation does not feel hot on your skin (until your skin is burnt). You may get sunburnt (and thus may add to your cancer risk even if you are in sub zero winter temperatures. What matters is sunlight exposure. Since snow may reflect some of the UV radiation and people tend to forget about sun protection on colder days the risk of getting sunburnt in a cold (yet sunny) weather may even be higher.

 

[jasonc]

Did any of the articles (the link in the OP isn't working for me at the moment) account for the fact that people in western societies grow older with every generation and thus have an increased risk of getting any kind of cancer (since older people are at higher risk due to a longer lifetime of accumulated cell damage and reduced functionality of the immune/ repair system at older age) and thus skin cancer rates may rise because there's more older people in the population?
Are there statistics for the last decades looking only at younger people in their reproductive years, and only at people in one particular country?
From reading this thread I feel like we are dealing with a mess of statistics that aren't comparable or representative for the things they claim to represent.

Jason, heat is irrelevant in this case. UV radiation does not feel hot on your skin (until your skin is burnt). You may get sunburnt (and thus may add to your cancer risk even if you are in sub zero winter temperatures. What matters is sunlight exposure. Since snow may reflect some of the UV radiation and people tend to forget about sun protection on colder days the risk of getting sunburnt in a cold (yet sunny) weather may even be higher.

I know what heat and uv are. I aslo know that florida in the states is the highest state for risk of skin cancer. we have people take xrays film from their car and it being in the sun will be unusable and people getting cancer from merely driving in their cars. florida isn't called the sunshine state for nothing.

 

[Claudya]

I know what heat and uv are. I aslo know that florida in the states is the highest state for risk of skin cancer. we have people take xrays film from their car and it being in the sun will be unusable and people getting cancer from merely driving in their cars. florida isn't called the sunshine state for nothing.

Doesn't Florida have a high rate of elderly people? That's a likely reason for a relatively high cancer rate.
Also, Florida may have the same problem as Australia: many caucasian fair skinned people who've moved there during the last few generations; who's skin evolved in an area with much less sun exposure (norther/ middle Europe).

 

[jasonc]

Doesn't Florida have a high rate of elderly people? That's a likely reason for a relatively high cancer rate.
Also, Florida may have the same problem as Australia: many caucasian fair skinned people who've moved there during the last few generations; who's skin evolved in an area with much less sun exposure (norther/ middle Europe).

no, the young and old get it. I know people under 50 who have it. I have had the pre cancer deal.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Just as a reminder, the body needs UVB to convert cholesterol (i.e. pre-vitamin D) to vitamin D.

Cholesterol, of course, is a powerful antioxidant just as beta carotene (pre-vitamin A) is.

Now, to get UVB, the solar altitude needs to be 50 degrees or higher. I'm sure the dividing line is not that sharp, but 50 degrees seems to be UVB sunset so-to-speak, hence I created one sundial that tells me when I'm getting vitamin D. Needless to say, that's near midday, and I don't bother sunning as much in the morning or evenings. Here in Pa, the sun is basically useless from the autumnal equinox until the vernal equinox, so vitamin supplements help. Stay away from "fortified" diary as that's pretty much poisonous as it causes inflammation (and the fortification is too low to make much difference anyway), but if you must drink milk, for example, drink whole and not skim. But only a little unless you have your own cow -- that's OK.

And antioxidants likewise help prevent aging, and maladies like heart disease and cancers, so any anti-oxidant is good to supplement on and all are good for the body in abundance.

 

[Christ_empowered]

hey, claudya...
I think the issue was cancer in the 18-29 age group.

 

[agua.]

what is the average temp of your country. im used to heat. bring it if you can hang. florida gets hot. we get days with 100% humidity and NO rain.

From our southern most point in Tassie to the northern most in QLD there's 3668 km so you can imagine the temp variations Jason. My area has a mean min of 17c and max 25c. We get extremes of both though from ~ 3c to 40c. I prefer cooler weather ie. our Autumn - Spring

 

[TOG]

Just as a reminder, the body needs UVB to convert cholesterol (i.e. pre-vitamin D) to vitamin D.

Cholesterol, of course, is a powerful antioxidant just as beta carotene (pre-vitamin A) is.

Now, to get UVB, the solar altitude needs to be 50 degrees or higher. I'm sure the dividing line is not that sharp, but 50 degrees seems to be UVB sunset so-to-speak, hence I created one sundial that tells me when I'm getting vitamin D. Needless to say, that's near midday, and I don't bother sunning as much in the morning or evenings. Here in Pa, the sun is basically useless from the autumnal equinox until the vernal equinox, so vitamin supplements help. Stay away from "fortified" diary as that's pretty much poisonous as it causes inflammation (and the fortification is too low to make much difference anyway), but if you must drink milk, for example, drink whole and not skim. But only a little unless you have your own cow -- that's OK.

And antioxidants likewise help prevent aging, and maladies like heart disease and cancers, so any anti-oxidant is good to supplement on and all are good for the body in abundance.

According to this calculator, the hights point the sun reaches on the longest day of the year (June 21) is 49.4 degrees. Like you said, it's probably not a really sharp cut off, but that just barely makes it. The highest the sun will reach today is 40.7 degrees. As far as UVB is concerned, the sun here doesn't do much good. Still, I did get sunburned once.

The TOG​

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

the real reason is not published. not even known by most of the perpetrators. if "least expensive fix" was the 'rule' .... if there was 'right ruling' (honest government), ... ... .. .. .. ... well, let's just say it's not, and won't be, until Yeshua returns.......