Yeshua or Jesus?

[The Poly Grip Kid]

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Good grief....... will our craving for Legalism EVER be satisfied?

Not until Jesus returns for his Bride then we will have eternity to have Him reveal everything to us concerning the Pure and true nature of the Trinity.
It is hard for many folks to realize that the old covenant has been fulfilled by our risen Christ and we are no longer under the obligation to follow the law but we are under His new Covenant of grace through the Son becoming the sacrificial lamb.
The Holy Spirit has been Given to us at our rebirth to guide us and to warn us when we do things which are unpleasing to the Lord our God that we should confess our transgressions to Jesus and turn from what the Holy Ghost has convicted us about. A born again believer tries not to sin because we love God and want to keep his temple clean.
Praise Yeshua Ha Mashiach

Happy Christmas Day Everyone!

 

[The Poly Grip Kid]

sorry for all the edits but my computer has a mind of its own

 

[Willie T]

An interesting little search might be to look for whom the Holy Spirit "convicts" of sin, and whom He, instead, "reminds" of their (our) righteousness in Christ.

It helps us understand how we sometimes saddle up with a load of guilt when we aren't supposed to.

Here's a short, simple explanation of what I'm talking about......
http://www.phildrysdale.com/2012/08/conviction/

 

[jocor]

Jesus is the translation of Yeshua therefore if you speak only english then using the translated Name is perfectly fine and Jesus/Yeshua doesn't have a problem with it neither should we.

"Jesus" is an attempted transliteration of the Latin "Iesus". The transliteration of his true Hebrew name into English is "Yeshua". Names do not change from one language to another. Barack Obama is called Barack Obama in Chinese, French, Italian, etc. In that way, the entire world knows who is being spoken of.

 

[jocor]

If you called Him, George, with the love, respect, and understanding of who He is, and who you are in His family, I suspect He would smile.

It isn't that we get a label correctly pronounced, but that we know Him.

Good grief....... will our craving for Legalism EVER be satisfied?

What you call a "craving for Legalism", I call a "craving for truth".

 

[jocor]

An interesting little search might be to look for whom the Holy Spirit "convicts" of sin, and whom He, instead, "reminds" of their (our) righteousness in Christ.

It helps us understand how we sometimes saddle up with a load of guilt when we aren't supposed to.

Here's a short, simple explanation of what I'm talking about......
http://www.phildrysdale.com/2012/08/conviction/

I assume you posted this because you believe I am trying to saddle you up with a load of guilt. Forgive me if I am misunderstanding your intent. I believe one reason the Holy Spirit was given to us was to lead us into all truth. That would include the very name of our Savior. It is being revealed to us because we are loved, no as a condemnation upon us.

 

[Willie T]

I assume you posted this because you believe I am trying to saddle you up with a load of guilt. Forgive me if I am misunderstanding your intent. I believe one reason the Holy Spirit was given to us was to lead us into all truth. That would include the very name of our Savior. It is being revealed to us because we are loved, no as a condemnation upon us.

No, you did not misunderstand me. I believe the second paragraph of your earlier post (#18) clearly shows an intent to state that if people are not using what you and some others have determined is to be specifically used to refer to the son of God, then they do not know truth, and are not speaking "truth".

The name "Jesus" is not the true name of the Son. It is a mixture of Hebrew (Yeshua), Greek (Iesous), Latin (Iesus) and English (Jesus). You can easily see the transformation the name has undergone. If you love the truth, then you live the truth by speaking the truth.

Is that not just about exactly what you said? If that is not trying to lay a guilt trip, I don't know what is.

 

[jasonc]

so its required that we have NO accent when we say jesus? if as an English speaker were to say Yeshua in Hebrew, it would be with my English accent.If Lord was that concerned about His Name being that pronounced that way, then he would have the first complete bible in Hebrew from the Tanach to the Brit Chadosh. Yet we have the LXX and the NT in Koine greek. which is what god wanted for his purposes. I don't like the greek tounge but its is the Lingua Franca of that day.

 

[jocor]

If you love the truth, then you live the truth by speaking the truth.

Is that not just about exactly what you said? If that is not trying to lay a guilt trip, I don't know what is.

It was not my intent to lay a guilt trip on you. Living and speaking truth is the primary reason why a person would accept and use the name "Yeshua". If your Pastor gave a teaching on the importance of truth and gave some examples of believing such, would you accuse him of trying to lay a guilt trip on you?

2Co 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
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If you have valid reasons why we should continue using a known incorrect name and not embrace the name originally given to our Savior, then state so plainly without turning this into a discussion about my intentions.

 

[jasonc]

It was not my intent to lay a guilt trip on you. Living and speaking truth is the primary reason why a person would accept and use the name "Yeshua". If your Pastor gave a teaching on the importance of truth and gave some examples of believing such, would you accuse him of trying to lay a guilt trip on you?

2Co 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
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If you have valid reasons why we should continue using a known incorrect name and not embrace the name originally given to our Savior, then state so plainly without turning this into a discussion about my intentions.

Since the name for the Spirit of God is called Ruach Kadosh, and that is the Holy Spirit and a name of God also its the third Person of the trinity .It is in truth that I call the Holy Spirit the Ruach Kadosh? Do you see what Willie T is trying to say?

 

[jocor]

so its required that we have NO accent when we say jesus? if as an English speaker were to say Yeshua in Hebrew, it would be with my English accent.If Lord was that concerned about His Name being that pronounced that way, then he would have the first complete bible in Hebrew from the Tanach to the Brit Chadosh. Yet we have the LXX and the NT in Koine greek. which is what god wanted for his purposes. I don't like the greek tounge but its is the Lingua Franca of that day.

Did I say we could not have an accent? The LXX and the NT made an attempt to transliterate "Yeshua" as best they could. Since Greek has no "sh" sound and names end with the terminal "us", we end up with "Iesous" (pronounced Yay-soo-us) instead of "Ieshua" (pronounced Yay-shoo-a). We have the "sh" sound in English, so we can easily transliterate the name from Hebrew to English correctly which, to me, is far better than retaining a name that has undergone such a major transformation that it is unrecognizable compared to the original.

 

[jocor]

Since the name for the Spirit of God is called Ruach Kadosh, and that is the Holy Spirit and a name of God also its the third Person of the trinity .It is in truth that I call the Holy Spirit the Ruach Kadosh? Do you see what Willie T is trying to say?

The "Holy Spirit" is not a name any more than the "Holy Father" or "Holy God" are names. Yahweh is Spirit and His Spirit is holy, but His name is "Yahweh".

 

[jasonc]

Did I say we could not have an accent? The LXX and the NT made an attempt to transliterate "Yeshua" as best they could. Since Greek has no "sh" sound and names end with the terminal "us", we end up with "Iesous" (pronounced Yay-soo-us) instead of "Ieshua" (pronounced Yay-shoo-a). We have the "sh" sound in English, so we can easily transliterate the name from Hebrew to English correctly which, to me, is far better than retaining a name that has undergone such a major transformation that it is unrecognizable compared to the original.

so it not really as you claim then? say it with an accent is ok but don't you dare use another translation of said name from greek?

the LXX didn't have the name of the Lord in it. its kurios as that is what the Jews wanted. they say Heshem or adonai. the later is where they went with. the modern rendering of that Name in the Nt is from koine greek. since pilot didn't speak Hebrew how would he have known Jesus? He was a roman and likely spoke greek and or latin.

im talking about the Name Yeshua. is a y sound? or a j sound? some languages aren't that clear on those being separate. some might not even have that sound that is easily noticed . ie the Japanese don't have the r and l sound being that different. the b and u and v is interchangeable Spanish.

 

[jasonc]

The "Holy Spirit" is not a name any more than the "Holy Father" or "Holy God" are names. Yahweh is Spirit and His Spirit is holy, but His name is "Yahweh".

what translation did YOU write? Matthew 28

go and baptize them in the Name of the Father, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. those are all one person? odd why have a name that has that aspect to it when its just one person?

 

[jocor]

so it not really as you claim then? say it with an accent is ok but don't you dare use another translation of said name from greek?

Those are your words, not mine. I am simply saying the transliteration "Yeshua" is more correct than "Jesus" and that variations in accent are not against the truth.

the LXX didn't have the name of the Lord in it. its kurios as that is what the Jews wanted. they say Heshem or adonai. the later is where they went with. the modern rendering of that Name in the Nt is from koine greek. since pilot didn't speak Hebrew how would he have known Jesus? He was a roman and likely spoke greek and or latin.

Pilate obviously knew Yeshua's name (Mt 27:17) because he was told what it was. The Jews who turned him over would have said his Hebrew name to Pilate who then repeated it to the people.

im talking about the Name Yeshua. is a y sound? or a j sound? some languages aren't that clear on those being separate. some might not even have that sound that is easily noticed . ie the Japanese don't have the r and l sound being that different. the b and u and v is interchangeable Spanish.

Since there is no j sound in Hebrew, there should not be a j sound in any variation of the name. English speakers used "Iesus" with a soft y sound prior to the invention of the letter j with its hard j sound.

 

[jasonc]

Those are your words, not mine. I am simply saying the transliteration "Yeshua" is more correct than "Jesus" and that variations in accent are not against the truth.



Pilate obviously knew Yeshua's name (Mt 27:17) because he was told what it was. The Jews who turned him over would have said his Hebrew name to Pilate who then repeated it to the people.



Since there is no j sound in Hebrew, there should not be a j sound in any variation of the name. English speakers used "Iesus" with a soft y sound prior to the invention of the letter j with its hard j sound.

they told him what language? the Pharisees were educated men and spoke the latin and greek, they also like paul were taught romans myths. even today jews read and listen Christians?

so when he said jesus it wouldn't be Hebrew but latin. the common tounge would be Aramaic btw, and that also is what jesus spoke. synthesis mentioned that and if that is correct then jesus said in Aramaic is a bit different.

 

[jasonc]

Aramaic, which is what would have been spoken.

http://www.v-a.com/bible/aramaic-jesus.html

which if pilate said that to the jews and the greeks there it wouldn't be Yeshua but the Eosha. a bit different.

 

[The Poly Grip Kid]

 

[jocor]

which if pilate said that to the jews and the greeks there it wouldn't be Yeshua but the Eosha. a bit different.

It doesn't matter what language was being spoken. Yeshua knew what his name was and so did the people. When Yeshua was coming to town, word spread that "Yeshua" was coming. If his name was "Frank", then everyone would say "Frank" is coming, perhaps with slight variations in accent. What matters is, they were not translating his name or changing it into their language. The Aramaic name for Yeshua is Eashoa, obviously a very close transliteration.

BTW, Yeshua spoke to Saul in Hebrew and Paul spoke to a crowd of Jews in Hebrew. We also see many clarifications of how a word was spoken in Hebrew throughout Scripture. I see no mention of Aramaic in Scripture. I choose to believe Hebrew was commonly spoken among all Jews in Yeshua's day.

 

[The Poly Grip Kid]