Yeshua or Jesus?

[jocor]

For which of my statements did I warrant this?

 

[The Poly Grip Kid]

Pi

For which of my statements did I warrant this?

Pick one.
You some how seem to think that God who confounded the language of those building the tower of Babel only speaks Hebrew. Yeshua and Adonai know their names regardless what language we pray in. the Holy Spirit is our interpreter for God speaks a language no man knows.

 

[jocor]

Pi

Pick one.
You some how seem to think that God who confounded the language of those building the tower of Babel only speaks Hebrew. Yeshua and Adonai know their names regardless what language we pray in. the Holy Spirit is our interpreter for God speaks a language no man knows.

You seem to read into my words things I never said. I know God knows all languages. I also know Yeshua and his Father know we are praying to them even though we don't use the correct names. I came to faith calling on the name of "Jesus". That does not mean we should continue in ignorance or error when confronted with truth. The more we reject truth, the less it will be revealed to us.

 

[The Poly Grip Kid]

Jocor I see that your status below states you are not Christian so if you are not Christian are you a Messianic Jew and do you speak fluent Hebrew?

 

[jocor]

Jocor I see that your status below states you are not Christian so if you are not Christian are you a Messianic Jew and do you speak fluent Hebrew?

If I must be labeled, I would call myself a Messianic Israelite or a Yahwist. I do not speak fluent Hebrew. Does that have any bearing on this subject or are you just curious?

 

[Sinthesis]

Did you know Barabbas is an Aramaic name?

 

[jasonc]

Did you know Barabbas is an Aramaic name?

whereby we cry abba father. abba is aramiac for the word father and a term of endearment. Jesus speaking Aramaic would used that about God the father. that doesn't mean he didn't speak Aramaic. I have heard that even then Hebrew was for the temple only. I would have to find a willing Jew to ask on that.i wonder if Dad would know.

 

[jasonc]

for the record paul was roman citizen and a jewish rabbi. he had an education. he was fluent in greek, latin and Hebrew and armaic. its reasonable since its well known to historians that to be a roman citizen was to be a rich person. they weren't slaves unless bought and educated by the owner then freed. which was really rare. a good idea of that would be the movie Judah ben hur which is fictional but its good for making the point. roman law did allow for that type of adoption.

paul also knew of the greek classics. so why would Paul have to be spoken to by God in Hebrew? God could have or maybe he didn't. Im not going to get hung up on that. just that most scholars consider that Jesus used aramiac. shoot part of Daniel is aramiac and the tanach from the Masoretic text isn't even in Hebrew but Aramaic!

 

[twinc]

did the angel speak in greek - twinc

 

[The Poly Grip Kid]

If I must be labeled, I would call myself a Messianic Israelite or a Yahwist. I do not speak fluent Hebrew. Does that have any bearing on this subject or are you just curious?

I was curious but it would also have some bearing about how you have been disciple'd
here is where I have the problem with, what you are expressing is it is unbiblical. Adonai and Yeshua have many names and even referred to themselves with different names (IE) I am that I am, Son of man, the true Vine, the Way the Truth and the Life, the Alpha and Omega, etc.
I don't like to be labeled either but if I must I just tell people I am just a big old nobody who loves the Lord Jesus Christ or HaMashiach Yeshua
I suppose we will just have to come to the agreement we are in disagreement and just leave it at that

 

[reba]

Goodness He looks on our hearts.. Some of this is like saying a nonspeaking (the old term was dumb) can not call on the Lord... Just plain foolishness. .

I remember back to the days when if a person was considered 'spiritual' if they prayed in King James English.... that too was foolishness

As if to say the kid on the street who cries out to God "Hey are you real? " wont be heard the same as the Pharisee who uses the more proper term...

 

[jocor]

Goodness He looks on our hearts.. Some of this is like saying a nonspeaking (the old term was dumb) can not call on the Lord... Just plain foolishness. .

I remember back to the days when if a person was considered 'spiritual' if they prayed in King James English.... that too was foolishness

As if to say the kid on the street who cries out to God "Hey are you real? " wont be heard the same as the Pharisee who uses the more proper term...

Wow Reba, you really read a lot into my words. I never said we cannot call on the Lord unless we use his true name. Nor did I say we get heard better if we use his true name. Also, the KJ English is merely a translation. That is a far cry from the name the Almighty commanded His Son to be named.

Where do we draw the line against embracing truth? When the light of truth shines, are we supposed to turn away from it or embrace it? If one shines a candle in the dark, are we supposed to cover it with a bushel basket and remain in darkness? The answers are obvious to me. The real question is, "Is the name "Jesus" our Savior's true name"? If not, then what is it? Once you answer the latter question, then you have a choice to make; do I continue using a false name or do I use what I have found to be his true name? I can understand a person's desire to continue using "Jesus" because they are unsure of what his true name is, but I cannot understand a person's desire to continue in error when they know the truth.

 

[jasonc]

Wow Reba, you really read a lot into my words. I never said we cannot call on the Lord unless we use his true name. Nor did I say we get heard better if we use his true name. Also, the KJ English is merely a translation. That is a far cry from the name the Almighty commanded His Son to be named.

Where do we draw the line against embracing truth? When the light of truth shines, are we supposed to turn away from it or embrace it? If one shines a candle in the dark, are we supposed to cover it with a bushel basket and remain in darkness? The answers are obvious to me. The real question is, "Is the name "Jesus" our Savior's true name"? If not, then what is it? Once you answer the latter question, then you have a choice to make; do I continue using a false name or do I use what I have found to be his true name? I can understand a person's desire to continue using "Jesus" because they are unsure of what his true name is, but I cannot understand a person's desire to continue in error when they know the truth.

so I should then post only in Hebrew when I post His name? after that is his name in Hebrew is it not? that way there is no effects of transliteration. sounds easy to do if one is into the truth.

that is getting into mass being in English instead of Latin, now its church in Hebrew instead of English or whatever tounge.

 

[tinykitten]

I don't think it matters.

Jesus comes from the Greek "Ιησούς" (Iesous)
Yeshua comes from the Hebrew "יֵשׁוּעַ" (yēšūă)

The New Testament is translated from Greek, so they translated it as Jesus, rather than Yeshua.

I agree, Jesus or Yeshua is fine with me. I like Yeshua personally. (Joshua) It's more in keeping with the name he would have heard himself called more so than Jesus. (I think)

I hear myself say, "Joshua" , and recall the movie that was of that title and bearing the Christ theme. Well done imo, if anyone is interested or has already seen it.

 

[jocor]

so I should then post only in Hebrew when I post His name? after that is his name in Hebrew is it not? that way there is no effects of transliteration. sounds easy to do if one is into the truth.

that is getting into mass being in English instead of Latin, now its church in Hebrew instead of English or whatever tounge.

There is no problem translating Hebrew into English, except when it comes to names and, in particular, holy names. Names are supposed to be transliterated (the sound brought over from one language to another). That is why "Abraham" and "Satan" are written in English almost exactly as they were pronounced in Hebrew. Yeshua's name should be treated the same way.

 

[jasonc]

There is no problem translating Hebrew into English, except when it comes to names and, in particular, holy names. Names are supposed to be transliterated (the sound brought over from one language to another). That is why "Abraham" and "Satan" are written in English almost exactly as they were pronounced in Hebrew. Yeshua's name should be treated the same way.

uhm I beg to differ.
satan in Hebrew is ha satan. not satan and that isn't close. ha satan isn't far but not perfect.
so which of these is it that can be literally Yah saves?
Hoshea? Yahoshua. Yeshu, Yeshua,? all those mean the same. all of them were common names in the first century and before the birth of Jesus.reciting Hebrew defeats the purpose and no Hebrew doesn't translate easily. I read a lot of jewish thought and they say that a lot. translating Hebrew to other languages is hard as some cultures don't have the concepts.

English doesn't have the idea of shalom , it is borrowed via Christian ideas but its not a word with that meaning. shalom means peace, it also means blessings as one does torah. which isn't a word.just as Hebrew doesn't have the word for history, they use the greek word historia.

 

[jocor]

I agree, Jesus or Yeshua is fine with me. I like Yeshua personally. (Joshua) It's more in keeping with the name he would have heard himself called more so than Jesus. (I think)

I hear myself say, "Joshua" , and recall the movie that was of that title and bearing the Christ theme. Well done imo, if anyone is interested or has already seen it.

I enjoyed the movie "Joshua".

That brings up another question: Why was the Greek "Iesous" translated as "Joshua" and "Jesus" in English? Such a mistake has led to countless people reading Heb 4:8 and thinking our Savior "Jesus" did not give Israel rest back in OT times;

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. KJV
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Of course, Joshua, the son of Nun, is meant here. If the Hebrew name of Joshua was rendered "Iesous" throughout the Septuagint, why wasn't the Greek NT uses of "Iesous" rendered "Joshua" as well? Shouldn't our Savior's name really be "Joshua" in English? The fact of the matter is, both "Jesus" and "Joshua" should have been transliterated as "Yeshua" in English.

 

[jocor]

uhm I beg to differ.
satan in Hebrew is ha satan. not satan and that isn't close. ha satan isn't far but not perfect.
so which of these is it that can be literally Yah saves?
Hoshea? Yahoshua. Yeshu, Yeshua,? all those mean the same. all of them were common names in the first century and before the birth of Jesus.reciting Hebrew defeats the purpose and no Hebrew doesn't translate easily. I read a lot of jewish thought and they say that a lot. translating Hebrew to other languages is hard as some cultures don't have the concepts.

English doesn't have the idea of shalom , it is borrowed via Christian ideas but its not a word with that meaning. shalom means peace, it also means blessings as one does torah. which isn't a word.just as Hebrew doesn't have the word for history, they use the greek word historia.

There is no article before שׂטן in this verse:

1Ch 21:1 ויעמדH5975 stood up שׂטןH7854 And Satan עלH5921 against ישׂראלH3478 Israel, ויסתH5496 and provoked אתH853 דוידH1732 David למנותH4487 to number אתH853 ישׂראל׃H3478 Israel.

The Savior's name does not mean "Yah saves". It means "he will save" which is exactly what "Yeshua" means and exactly what
Mat 1:21 is saying; "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Yeshua: for he shall save his people from their sins."

H3442
ישׁוּע
yêshûa‛
yah-shoo'-ah
For H3091; he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: - Jeshua.

 

[jasonc]

modern Hebrew speakers call him that.

http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/12-35.html

 

[jasonc]

http://www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/

Yehosua by them and they call satan, ha-satan as well here on this site. both are messianic jews. satan is the word oppose, and is a title. I agree with that doesn't mean he is as the jew say just that he has no name like we consider it.

When we ask according to His will, what is His will? What is written in the Holy Torah is His will. When we pray the word and come before His throne in The Name of Yeshua He hears us. When we pray in The Name of Yeshua and pray according to His Word we can have confidence that “Whatever we ask – we will have”. This should give us joy and faith in our prayers. God delights in answering the prayers of His children if we ask in accordance with His Will and He delights in those who stand in faith/trust. His Torah/Word is His will for us. Stand on His Holy promises and speak them forth. Ha Satan is overcome with The Word of God, he does not have a chance when we claim the blood of Yeshua and speak forth the Word in our prayers to God. “And they overcame him (Ha Satan) by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony.” Revelation 12:11

http://www.deborahsmessianicministries.com/Devotional0611.htm