YOU Just can't satisfy a woman

[Claudya]

I think women want security and equality from a man, but I don't understand how they go together.

Hm, that's an interesting statement. Care to elaborate? Where do you see the contradiction between those two?

Women may be more emotional than men due to hormone differences, but that doesn't mean we're completely irrational.

Actually if emotions can be explained by hormones (or any other natural cause) then they are perfectly logical. It's just that people aren't capable to fully see what causes their emotions, let alone others's emotions. That's why some emotional responses, or rapid mood swings, appear irrational to us.
Anyway, I'm thinking the influence that the hormonal changes of the female monthly cycle has on our emotions is a bit overrated. Most women don't feel any of that. Many things have a much stronger effect on our mood than our hormonal fluctuations. Only like 5 or 10% of all women have noticable PMS mood swings.
Besides, the most irrational and emotional people I've ever met were men. :p

 

[evenifigoalone]

Women may be more emotional than men due to hormone differences, but that doesn't mean we're completely irrational.

Actually if emotions can be explained by hormones (or any other natural cause) then they are perfectly logical. It's just that people aren't capable to fully see what causes their emotions, let alone others's emotions. That's why some emotional responses, or rapid mood swings, appear irrational to us.
Anyway, I'm thinking the influence that the hormonal changes of the female monthly cycle has on our emotions is a bit overrated. Most women don't feel any of that. Many things have a much stronger effect on our mood than our hormonal fluctuations. Only like 5 or 10% of all women have noticable PMS mood swings.
Besides, the most irrational and emotional people I've ever met were men. :p

True. Noticeable PMS actually doesn't seem that common in women. I haven't seen it in myself, or in most other women.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Quote Originally Posted by allenwynne View Post I think women want security and equality from a man, but I don't understand how they go together. Hm, that's an interesting statement. Care to elaborate? Where do you see the contradiction between those two?

How can I elaborate?
I said I don't understand.

 

[Claudya]

There ARE parts of the Bible meant to be taken literally, those are the straight forward history scriptures. But, there are many other types of literature in the Bible: creation myths, poetry, praise and prayer, prophecy, wisdom saying, apochalyptic literature, etc. And, of course, parables in the New Testament. Sometimes the truth of the scriptures is behind the words not in the literal interpretation of the words. No one would possible make the case, for instance, that the parable of the sower is actually about seeds falling on the ground: it's a metaphor about the various ways people respond to God's word.

Yeah I agree with that. Some parts of the Bible contain exact dates and locations and names of people involved. That's a claim for historicity. Most of the gospels (leaving parables told by Jesus aside) is like that. But there are some parts of the New Testament gospels that feel a lot like parables. For example the account of Jesus walking over the water and calling Peter to do the same. Some details sound like imaginative additions of the pious minds of the early churches, for example the wise men from the east worshipping baby Jesus in his manger having been led there by a star. That's the story Matthew tells us. None of the other Gospels mentions them. However, Luke tells us about sheppards worshipping Jesus after having been led there by an angel apparition. Also, in Luke it sounds like Jesus was born in a stable or shed, while in Matthew's gospel he speaks of a house.
Although there is no absolute contradiction between both stories it seems a bit like they are telling different versions. Same with the crucifixion accounts.
So while we are supposed to take those stories as historical truth and are given names and dates to verify and proof the historicity, there is a lot of storytelling even in those "historical" scriptures. So while we can assume the Gospels communicate the spiritual truth, the historical truth may have been lost.

It makes no sense whatever to me to insist that the Bible is literal in every detail. How in that case do we make sense of the two different creation stories, and the two different creation of Adam and Eve stories, contained in Genesis? Genesis doesn't have to be taken literally for us to get the message that there is a single God who created time and space, who created us humans and gave us rules to live by, is active in our world, knows that we are imperfect, and has a plan for our salvation.

Aye, it makes no sense. A garden, a talking snake and a forbidden fruit of knowledge sounds like a great deal of symbolism. There are similar elements in other ancient oriental creation myths. As far as I know many christian scholars throughout the centuries, even long before Darwin, believed the Genesis story to be a myth/ metaphor. Genesis literalism/ creationism is a relatively new phenomenon.

 

[Claudya]

How can I elaborate?
I said I don't understand.

You don't understand how women can wish for security and equality at the same time. I don't see a contradiction between those two things. So I was wondering where you see that contradiction. How are security and equality mutually exclusive?
Maybe you think of something different than I do when you say/ hear the word security? Different concepts of one word can cause miscommmunications.

 

[Claudya]

Kiwidian...I should probably know this but I'm only on my 2nd cup of coffee...what is an ND?

Is it possible you keep using "caffeine withdrawal" (well, 2nd cup isn't withdrawal) as an excuse for not understanding stuff almost every day?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

How can I elaborate?
I said I don't understand.

You don't understand how women can wish for security and equality at the same time. I don't see a contradiction between those two things. So I was wondering where you see that contradiction. How are security and equality mutually exclusive?
Maybe you think of something different than I do when you say/ hear the word security? Different concepts of one word can cause miscommmunications.

Claudya, I tried to answer this, but I had to cancel it.
Everything I tried to say didn't come out right.

 

[Claudya]

Claudya, I tried to answer this, but I had to cancel it.
Everything I tried to say didn't come out right.

Oh, that's a problem I know well. Don't worry about it.:yes
Maybe we'll come back to that topic another time.
Have a good night!

 

[evenifigoalone]

Regarding the gospel accounts, each is from the perspective of different people who were witnesses, or in Luke's case, closely associated with a witness. Not everyone will remember the same details.
The stuff they could not have witnessed, like Jesus' birth would of course had to have been gathered from people who were witnesses. Perhaps Mary, Jesus' mother, since we know she was present at the crucifixion. Or maybe Jesus told the disciples about it, although that seems less likely for some reason.

With the wise men, it seems they actually didn't see Jesus until He was two. Although tradition says otherwise. It would have taken them a while to travel after seeing the star, since it first appeared on the night of Jesus' birth. Also note that Herod wanted to kill any child two and under.

 

[Vaccine]

I live with 4 women and understand what you mean about equality and security. My daughters refer to me as their "protector man" and my wife is my best friend (equal), yet needs me in the role of protector too. Of course, I'm also referred to by a bunch of other names I'd prefer not to mention:gah. Ok maybe one: Gorpo?

Someone mentioned the difference with Genesis 1 & 2. I believe most of the bible is literal but some parts are figurative. The way I understand it Genesis 1 is the account of what God created and what God prepared out of nothing. Genesis 2 is what Jesus actually made.
Genesis 2:2 YLT: And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their host;
and God completeth by the seventh day His work which He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His work which He hath made.

God was done.

Gen 2:5 YLT and no shrub of the field is yet in the earth, and no herb of the field yet sprouteth, for Jehovah God hath not rained upon the earth, and a man there is not to serve the ground
Gen 2:7 YLT And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.

Jehovah God showed up and "formed the man out of the dust". God made the immaterial soul in Genesis 1, and Jesus made the physical man and breathed life into him.
The reason I believe Adam and Eve were literal people is Language.

“Nobody knows how [language] began. There doesn’t seem to be anything like syntax in non-human animals and it is hard to imagine evolutionary forerunners of it.” Richard Dawkins, Unweaving the Rainbow (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1998), p. 294.

This points to Jesus taught Adam and Eve language, at least that's what I believe and why.

More about Genesis 1&2
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=54311

More on language post #74
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=52030&page=5

 

[hallowbonnie]

lol my ex husband was the hardest person to keep happy and i have always been a simple laid back person yet he would start fights just because .He was a perfectionist and everything had to be just so he was exhausting ,by the time he had an affair I was almost grateful and really i felt sooner or later it was gonna happen he was not a happy person and he really didnt like who i was.Thats ok I like me and I have a peaceful life now void of drama.But maybe someday hell find someone who is a perfectionist too and they can torture each other

 

[a1laserexperts]

You just can't satisty a woman

God literally gave EVE the world yet she cheated for just an apple

Just imagine it wasn't an Apple but a PC.
Now that would have meant really big trouble for us men.
:D

 

[Classik]

Hehehe!

 

[ace]

A women is your partner...if you see that she isn't with the program, you have to download her....