1000 year reign

[JohnDB]

Guys,
I'm smelling an argument about what type of green cheese the moon is made of.

No one has addressed any type of reasonable hermeneutics of substance pertaining to reasonable formulations of what prophesies pertain to what events in history so that we can see how a portion of a prophesy goes towards future events.

IOW your single thought/verse sniping is not conducive to a reasonable discussion.

 

[JLB]

Have you ever paid attention to just who it is that is resurrected in the first resurrection?
Its not everyone.Its not even all christians.It only mentions those who died because of thier testimony of Christ ,whohad not worshiped the beast.

All the dead in Christ will be resurrected at His coming.



For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


again



But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:20-24



Here is the coming of the Lord from the perspective of Revelation and the context for Revelation 20.


Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16


This is the coming of the Lord when He returns with His saints from heaven to be gathered together with His saints on earth, in which we all will be together with the Lord, as taught in Paul’s letters, and the Gospels.


So when we read Revelation 20, we know this truth already and conclude the “rest of the dead” refer to those who are not Christ’s.


And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4-6

• Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.

The emphasis is on those who were martyred for their witness to Christ, who did not take the mark of the beast.


This does not by any means means those who also did not take the mark of the beast but were alive when Christ returned, and raptured were not included in the 1000 years.


The “rest of the dead” refers to those who are not Christ’s.


All those who are Christ’s will be resurrected at His coming.

• even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

JLB

 

[Randy]

Guys,
I'm smelling an argument about what type of green cheese the moon is made of.

No one has addressed any type of reasonable hermeneutics of substance pertaining to reasonable formulations of what prophesies pertain to what events in history so that we can see how a portion of a prophesy goes towards future events.

IOW your single thought/verse sniping is not conducive to a reasonable discussion.

In regard to Zech 14 I think its reasonable to state the mount of olives being split in two didn't happen in AD70. Nor was there any kind of Divine deliverance in AD70 such as the Lord destroying those armies. Its the time of the end.

 

[JohnDB]

In regard to Zech 14 I think its reasonable to state the mount of olives being split in two didn't happen in AD70. Nor was there any kind of Divine deliverance in AD70 such as the Lord destroying those armies. Its the time of the end.

What I am referring to is a logical, step-by-step reasoning and case for why you believe this to be true about this slice of scripture.
Long prophesies have certain elements to them...including a formula of near, far, and mid term predictions of coming events...as well as proof that what the prophet was saying was true. (in some instances a request was allowed by those that the prophet was speaking to so that they could have enough faith to carry out actions that the prophet was asking for the person to fulfill...but sometimes a sign in a very short amount of time would be given and the prophet would tell what that sign would be)
And the other issue with prophesies is that they were told in prose or song fashion. So a reasonable request would be to explain why something said was literal and not figurative. Especially since Hebrew is a completely metaphoric language with phonetic elements.

And where I am answering you specifically...I intend this for everyone involved in this thread.
The reason being is that most everyone is involved in single verse sniping...although a very limited few are interested in trying to shout down everyone else with their point of view creating interrogations with answers that have very little to do with the subject matter at hand and only have the intention of proving everyone else to be a heathen. (other than themselves of course!)

It takes time to come up with a well reasoned and logical assertion for what you believe and why you believe it. There are thousands of elements to every set of beliefs about scriptures. Not always is sound logic is employed. Even by the best of us. Which is why it is good to discuss things...to admit our belief's shortcomings and to adjust them to become more logical. NO ONE, except for God, has all the answers or even most of them. We all would love to entertain notions of grandeur of having a lot of the answers when it comes to prophesy...but the sad fact is that from those who actually and legitimately have made a lifetime of studying prophesy in true scholarship form would laugh hysterically at many of the efforts promoted here. (not necessarily yours specifically)

The study of prophesy is one of the most difficult things in scripture to study. One must truly have a grasp of ALL hermeneutic principles of the sciences as well as the arts in order to grasp the meanings. Knowledge of original language is also a must. There has to be a reason for interpretation to go the direction it does...not just an intuitive belief from feelings.

IOW what I am asking for is a bit more of scholarship and logic. Less sniping and quipping when discussing scriptures. It doesn't help anyone to learn and to grow in hermeneutics or understanding why what was said, was indeed said.

You all have some understanding. If instead of trying to win debates you all instead make clear why you believe something to be true and tried to understand why someone else believes what they believe...we all could benefit and become stronger in our knowledge of scriptures.

 

[Randy]

What I am referring to is a logical, step-by-step reasoning and case for why you believe this to be true about this slice of scripture.
Long prophesies have certain elements to them...including a formula of near, far, and mid term predictions of coming events...as well as proof that what the prophet was saying was true. (in some instances a request was allowed by those that the prophet was speaking to so that they could have enough faith to carry out actions that the prophet was asking for the person to fulfill...but sometimes a sign in a very short amount of time would be given and the prophet would tell what that sign would be)
And the other issue with prophesies is that they were told in prose or song fashion. So a reasonable request would be to explain why something said was literal and not figurative. Especially since Hebrew is a completely metaphoric language with phonetic elements.

And where I am answering you specifically...I intend this for everyone involved in this thread.
The reason being is that most everyone is involved in single verse sniping...although a very limited few are interested in trying to shout down everyone else with their point of view creating interrogations with answers that have very little to do with the subject matter at hand and only have the intention of proving everyone else to be a heathen. (other than themselves of course!)

It takes time to come up with a well reasoned and logical assertion for what you believe and why you believe it. There are thousands of elements to every set of beliefs about scriptures. Not always is sound logic is employed. Even by the best of us. Which is why it is good to discuss things...to admit our belief's shortcomings and to adjust them to become more logical. NO ONE, except for God, has all the answers or even most of them. We all would love to entertain notions of grandeur of having a lot of the answers when it comes to prophesy...but the sad fact is that from those who actually and legitimately have made a lifetime of studying prophesy in true scholarship form would laugh hysterically at many of the efforts promoted here. (not necessarily yours specifically)

The study of prophesy is one of the most difficult things in scripture to study. One must truly have a grasp of ALL hermeneutic principles of the sciences as well as the arts in order to grasp the meanings. Knowledge of original language is also a must. There has to be a reason for interpretation to go the direction it does...not just an intuitive belief from feelings.

IOW what I am asking for is a bit more of scholarship and logic. Less sniping and quipping when discussing scriptures. It doesn't help anyone to learn and to grow in hermeneutics or understanding why what was said, was indeed said.

You all have some understanding. If instead of trying to win debates you all instead make clear why you believe something to be true and tried to understand why someone else believes what they believe...we all could benefit and become stronger in our knowledge of scriptures.

Actually I wanted to give my understanding into the mix without endless debate. The agreement would be to disagree with one another. I assure you the 1000 years is written in Rev just as the two witnesses are written in Rev 11. I don't need to justify the text as Jesus gave that testimony. That's my direction. Everyone under the Sun can assign different meanings to the text but the text remains constant. Who are you following? Who is giving you direction?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Jesus stated He would gather from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
It was well understood and taught that was on the last day the resurrection of us all and it was a bodily resurrection. Therefore those not raised on that day must be those that suffer.

But if I am unable to convince you the two witnesses in Rev are of God then a doubt I will change your outlook in this matter.

No,you will not be able to convince me to add anyone else to the verse.

Revelation 20:4 - Satan Bound

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or...

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PS.Jesus said his elect would be gathered from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

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I take it you believe you are his elect.

 

[JohnDB]

Actually I wanted to give my understanding into the mix without endless debate. The agreement would be to disagree with one another. I assure you the 1000 years is written in Rev just as the two witnesses are written in Rev 11. I don't need to justify the text as Jesus gave that testimony. That's my direction. Everyone under the Sun can assign different meanings to the text but the text remains constant. Who are you following? Who is giving you direction?

Ummm...
I am trying to end the arguing and begin a healthy discussion.
I have never (and won't) give my views on "End Times".
(and if I may say way way too much...There is a prohibition from giving any dissertation on the decoding of the Revelation by John by those who understand it in the fashion which I do...so I do not generally explain John's Apocalypse)

I am not suggesting that you justify the text...only give reasons for why you believe it to be literal vx figurative language and why. Is the language metaphoric? Is the language literal? Why do you believe it to be this way? Is there a possibility that it is metaphoric in nature? If it is metaphoric in nature what does it mean? If it is literal then why would God say what He said. (God always has had a reason in the past for saying things in the manner which He said them in)
IOW a grammatical and internal evidence exegesis of the scriptures you are trying to explain along side of the cultural and historical and geographical sciences applied to the text.

And that is the nut that this squirrel is trying to get at.
quick quips aren't going to explain this.
AND
As I was saying before...this isn't so much directed at you specifically but to everyone involved with this thread.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

All the dead in Christ will be resurrected at His coming.



For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


again



But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:20-24



Here is the coming of the Lord from the perspective of Revelation and the context for Revelation 20.


Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16


This is the coming of the Lord when He returns with His saints from heaven to be gathered together with His saints on earth, in which we all will be together with the Lord, as taught in Paul’s letters, and the Gospels.


So when we read Revelation 20, we know this truth already and conclude the “rest of the dead” refer to those who are not Christ’s.


And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4-6

• Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.

The emphasis is on those who were martyred for their witness to Christ, who did not take the mark of the beast.


This does not by any means means those who also did not take the mark of the beast but were alive when Christ returned, and raptured were not included in the 1000 years.


The “rest of the dead” refers to those who are not Christ’s.


All those who are Christ’s will be resurrected at His coming.

• even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

JLB

Did you ever wonder why God did not give revelation to all of the apostles but waited for untill after they (like Paul)had died before giving revelation to John only?

That is correct, Paul whom you quote did not recieve the revelation of Jesus Christ whom God gave to him to show unto his servants.Therefore Paul never spoke of two resurections .
He obviously did not know .

 

[JohnDB]

If I could explain further...
In another discussion on the board they are discussing "the Sign of Jonah" and how Jesus was in the grave for what constituted three days and three nights...
Now when Jewish resources consulted it appears that Passover night is actually two nights in one. (even though Passover is a whole week) and by Jewish reckoning it is two night times. So you have friday night, Two Nights on Saturday and of course Sunday Morning.

 

[JohnDB]

Did you ever wonder why God did not give revelation to all of the apostles but waited for untill after they (like Paul)had died before giving revelation to John only?

That is correct, Paul whom you quote did not recieve the revelation of Jesus Christ whom God gave to him to show unto his servants.Therefore Paul never spoke of two resurections .

Long prophesies have certain elements to them...including a formula of near, far, and mid term predictions of coming events...as well as proof that what the prophet was saying was true. (in some instances a request was allowed by those that the prophet was speaking to so that they could have enough faith to carry out actions that the prophet was asking for the person to fulfill...but sometimes a sign in a very short amount of time would be given and the prophet would tell what that sign would be)
And the other issue with prophesies is that they were told in prose or song fashion. So a reasonable request would be to explain why something said was literal and not figurative. Especially since Hebrew is a completely metaphoric language with phonetic elements.

And where I am answering you specifically...I intend this for everyone involved in this thread.
The reason being is that most everyone is involved in single verse sniping...although a very limited few are interested in trying to shout down everyone else with their point of view creating interrogations with answers that have very little to do with the subject matter at hand and only have the intention of proving everyone else to be a heathen. (other than themselves of course!)

It takes time to come up with a well reasoned and logical assertion for what you believe and why you believe it. There are thousands of elements to every set of beliefs about scriptures. Not always is sound logic is employed. Even by the best of us. Which is why it is good to discuss things...to admit our belief's shortcomings and to adjust them to become more logical. NO ONE, except for God, has all the answers or even most of them. We all would love to entertain notions of grandeur of having a lot of the answers when it comes to prophesy...but the sad fact is that from those who actually and legitimately have made a lifetime of studying prophesy in true scholarship form would laugh hysterically at many of the efforts promoted here. (not necessarily yours specifically)

The study of prophesy is one of the most difficult things in scripture to study. One must truly have a grasp of ALL hermeneutic principles of the sciences as well as the arts in order to grasp the meanings. Knowledge of original language is also a must. There has to be a reason for interpretation to go the direction it does...not just an intuitive belief from feelings.

IOW what I am asking for is a bit more of scholarship and logic. Less sniping and quipping when discussing scriptures. It doesn't help anyone to learn and to grow in hermeneutics or understanding why what was said, was indeed said.

You all have some understanding. If instead of trying to win debates you all instead make clear why you believe something to be true and tried to understand why someone else believes what they believe...we all could benefit and become stronger in our knowledge of scriptures.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Long prophesies have certain elements to them...including a formula of near, far, and mid term predictions of coming events...as well as proof that what the prophet was saying was true. (in some instances a request was allowed by those that the prophet was speaking to so that they could have enough faith to carry out actions that the prophet was asking for the person to fulfill...but sometimes a sign in a very short amount of time would be given and the prophet would tell what that sign would be)
And the other issue with prophesies is that they were told in prose or song fashion. So a reasonable request would be to explain why something said was literal and not figurative. Especially since Hebrew is a completely metaphoric language with phonetic elements.

And where I am answering you specifically...I intend this for everyone involved in this thread.
The reason being is that most everyone is involved in single verse sniping...although a very limited few are interested in trying to shout down everyone else with their point of view creating interrogations with answers that have very little to do with the subject matter at hand and only have the intention of proving everyone else to be a heathen. (other than themselves of course!)

It takes time to come up with a well reasoned and logical assertion for what you believe and why you believe it. There are thousands of elements to every set of beliefs about scriptures. Not always is sound logic is employed. Even by the best of us. Which is why it is good to discuss things...to admit our belief's shortcomings and to adjust them to become more logical. NO ONE, except for God, has all the answers or even most of them. We all would love to entertain notions of grandeur of having a lot of the answers when it comes to prophesy...but the sad fact is that from those who actually and legitimately have made a lifetime of studying prophesy in true scholarship form would laugh hysterically at many of the efforts promoted here. (not necessarily yours specifically)

The study of prophesy is one of the most difficult things in scripture to study. One must truly have a grasp of ALL hermeneutic principles of the sciences as well as the arts in order to grasp the meanings. Knowledge of original language is also a must. There has to be a reason for interpretation to go the direction it does...not just an intuitive belief from feelings.

IOW what I am asking for is a bit more of scholarship and logic. Less sniping and quipping when discussing scriptures. It doesn't help anyone to learn and to grow in hermeneutics or understanding why what was said, was indeed said.

You all have some understanding. If instead of trying to win debates you all instead make clear why you believe something to be true and tried to understand why someone else believes what they believe...we all could benefit and become stronger in our knowledge of scriptures.

Well,i see all my answers as being logical.
They all make sense to me at least.
This was the answer i gave to the op.

Isaiah 14:2 KJV: And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall

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It makes perfect since to me thst those reigning with Christ in the promised land in revelation 20 are the same as those reigning in the promised land in Isaiah 14.

In fact i believe these in the first resurection are all Israelis.I havnt found any evidence that they would be of any other nation.

 

[JLB]

Did you ever wonder why God did not give revelation to all of the apostles but waited for untill after they (like Paul)had died before giving revelation to John only?

That is correct, Paul whom you quote did not recieve the revelation of Jesus Christ whom God gave to him to show unto his servants.Therefore Paul never spoke of two resurections .
He obviously did not know .

Paul showed us that all of Christ’s people both the dead and living will be gathered at His coming.


All.



JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Paul showed us that all of Christ’s people both the dead and living will be gathered at His coming.


All.



JLB

Where did Paul speak of the first and last resurections?
Where did paul preach about the mark of the beast which you cant buy or sell without?
Where did Paul preach about the 1000 year reign with Christ?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Paul showed us that all of Christ’s people both the dead and living will be gathered at His coming.


All.



JLB

Even better.Where does Paul preach billions of christians will be resurrected and reign with Christ in Jerusalem when Gog invades Israel and surrounds the billions of christians residing there?

Revelation 20:9 - Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

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[Nathan12]

Where did Paul speak of the first and last resurections? Where did paul preach about the mark of the beast which you cant buy or sell without? Where did Paul preach about the 1000 year reign with Christ?

Just because Paul may not have mentioned some of the things listed means nothing. It is not Peter, Paul, and John who originated Bible prophecy. They simply wrote what they received from the Holy Spirit by divine revelation. And all Scripture must be taken into account for any prophecy, since there are prophecies from Genesis to Revelation which touch on all these matters.
1. There is a first resurrection, which pertains to Christ and the saints, and it is in three phases.
2. There is a second (or last) resurrection which pertains to the unsaved dead, following which there will be no more death.
3. There is a Mark of the Beast which will be applied to almost all the inhabitants of the world during the reign of the Antichrist.
4. There is a 1,000 year reign of Christ during which Satan will be bound, and there will be universal peace and righteousness.

 

[ezrider]

If I could explain further...
In another discussion on the board they are discussing "the Sign of Jonah" and how Jesus was in the grave for what constituted three days and three nights...
Now when Jewish resources consulted it appears that Passover night is actually two nights in one. (even though Passover is a whole week) and by Jewish reckoning it is two night times. So you have friday night, Two Nights on Saturday and of course Sunday Morning.

Hosea 6 1:3
Come, and let us return unto the Lord:
for he hath torn, and he will heal us;
he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us:
in the third day he will raise us up,
and we shall live in his sight.
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord:
his going forth is prepared as the morning;
and he shall come unto us as the rain,
as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

 

[ezrider]

Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us:
in the third day he will raise us up,
and we shall live in his sight.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


There is a resurrection unto life, and there is a resurrection unto shame and contempt.

After two days he will raise us up, this is the first resurrection. In the third day we either follow on to come to know the Lord in the resurrection unto Life and Righteousness, or else we follow on trying to serving the law in the resurrection of damnation and Death.

In the first resurrection during the third day, those that follow on to know the Lord have overcome and they shall not be hurt of the second Death. Those that followed after the resurrection unto condemnation shall be judged according to their works before the second Death.


John 5:24-27
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


There is a resurrection of the Son, and a resurrection of the Father.

 

[JLB]

Where did Paul speak of the first and last resurections?

Where did John teach about the rapture?



JLB

 

[JLB]

Even better.Where does Paul preach billions of christians will be resurrected and reign with Christ in Jerusalem when Gog invades Israel and surrounds the billions of christians residing there?

Revelation 20:9 - Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

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Where does John teach us about the false messiah coming to the temple tp proclaim himself as God?




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I've been working on this since this morning as I could never figure out where the part came in where Jesus steps foot on the mount of Olives in His second coming. I present this for your consideration and not to be debated, only discussed.

We do not enter the Millennial Kingdom here on earth in our natural bodies, but in new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth. Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast onto the lake of fire.

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now condemned and cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints on on the earth it will be made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

Side note: IMO 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.